[Dtb-talk] digital player information

Lynn Evans evans-lynn at comcast.net
Thu Sep 22 16:21:19 UTC 2011 

Why not Just put the same content files (same book) on two cards one for 
each player?

Maybe I am missing something.  I guess you are seeing if the different file 
structure works in different players.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Aldrich" <jajkaldrich at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] digital player information


> Hi again Jim and list, More than likely, the content
>
> It really depends on the content I wish to have on both machines.  More 
> than likely, the shared content between the two machines would be NLS 
> content. Should the Stream battery discharge, I can move the SD card to 
> the BPP and visa versa!  I have been saying all along that the Stream has 
> a very paticular directory structure.  It won't play content unless such 
> content is the proper file type as daisy, MP3, audible etc.  These must be 
> placed in their proper folders.  The BPP isn't as fussy!  It seems to find 
> files with little effort.  I recorded a note from the stream and the BPP 
> found it in what it called a music folder maybe a music one folder.  The 
> note was called an album.  It played just fine even though it was a .3gp 
> file.  I think it is gradifying to me to know it can be done if I need to 
> juggle files about at times.  It may not be done often, but it can be 
> done!  This is especially true if I backup a file to an NLS cartridge for 
> someone to hear.  Either machine can have a playable file on an NLS 
> cartridge but I think it is easier to place the file on the cartridge with 
> the BPP than the Stream.  I'm still playing with some of this stuff but I 
> feel the BPP does a better job of seeking out files and playing them than 
> does the Stream.  If everything is in the stream's directory structure, 
> all is well.  It really depends on the user!  I'm pleased with both 
> machines!
>
> Jim
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jim Barbour" <jbar at barcore.com>
> To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 8:39 AM
> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] digital player information
>
>
>>I agree if you move the files to the $VRMusic, $VRPodcasts,
>> $VROtherBooks, or even $VRNotes folders they would play.  The point is
>> you have to move them.
>>
>> Sorry, my part in this thread feels like it jumped the shark.  My
>> question was simply how often do you find yourself wanting to play
>> content on both the stream and the pocket/bookport plus, especially
>> given the constraints I mentioned earlier.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 08:33:45AM -0600, James Aldrich wrote:
>>> I'll play with this but I'll bet if these are placed in the music 
>>> folder,
>>> they would play!  I'll check on this!  I'll record a note on the stream 
>>> and
>>> move it to BPP and see if it plays.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Barbour" <jbar at barcore.com>
>>> To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 8:24 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] digital player information
>>>
>>>
>>> >Howdy,
>>> >
>>> >FYI: I'm assuming the bookport plus will play 3gp files, since that's
>>> >the type of audio BARD uses for NLS talking books.
>>> >
>>> >Therefore, I assume anything recorded on the stream will play fine on
>>> >the bookport plus.  But, since the stream won't be able to find files
>>> >recorded on by the bookport plus, it won't be able to  play them.
>>> >
>>> >Jim
>>> >
>>> >On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 07:11:40PM -0600, James Aldrich wrote:
>>> >>Hello!
>>> >>
>>> >>I haven't gone that far to determine all of this for certain!  I do 
>>> >>know
>>> >>the
>>> >>BPP played music files my wife had on a card with no problems.  If one
>>> >>has
>>> >>the soft pack, one can record MP3 files with the stream and if these 
>>> >>end
>>> >>up
>>> >>in a music folder, the BPP could probably play them Of course, the BPP
>>> >>can't
>>> >>play the 3gp or whatever it is files to my knowlege but then, I 
>>> >>haven't
>>> >>gone
>>> >>that far!
>>> >>
>>> >>As for playing books, I usually try to stop at the end of a chapter. 
>>> >>I
>>> >>then
>>> >>place the SD card in my BPP and find the chapter and all is well!  If
>>> >>this
>>> >>isn't possible, I try to see how much time has elapsed in the book and 
>>> >>I
>>> >>then forward to that time in my BPP.  I've done this between my Stream
>>> >>and
>>> >>NLS player often!  There are any nuymber of ways to deal with this 
>>> >>type
>>> >>of
>>> >>situation!  Then again, one could put books on more than one card, 
>>> >>thumb
>>> >>drive or cartridge.  It is easy to backup both ways with the BPP.  I
>>> >>don't
>>> >>consider this problematic!
>>> >>
>>> >>Jim
>>> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Barbour" <jbar at barcore.com>
>>> >>To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 8:26 AM
>>> >>Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] digital player information
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>>Jim,
>>> >>>
>>> >>>I'm curious when this feature is useful to you.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>Your place isn't remembered between the two devices.  So, if you 
>>> >>>start
>>> >>>reading a book on the stream, and then continue reading it on the
>>> >>>book port plus, you'll have to refind your place.  The same is true 
>>> >>>in
>>> >>>the other direction.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>Also, if you record something on the BPP, the stream won't be able
>>> >>>to play it.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>Thanks,
>>> >>>
>>> >>>Jim
>>> >>>
>>> >>>On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 08:19:30AM -0600, James Aldrich wrote:
>>> >>>>Hi Mike, Tina and all,
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>I do like the fact that I can put SD cards from my Victor Reader 
>>> >>>>Stream
>>> >>>>into
>>> >>>>my Book Port Plus and play the content.  The Book Port Plus isn't as
>>> >>>>particular about the directory structure so the device manages to 
>>> >>>>find
>>> >>>>digital content no matter where it is!  That has been my experience! 
>>> >>>>I
>>> >>>>don't have to move files between the two devices.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>Jim
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>>> >>>>To: "'Discussion of Digital Talking Books'" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>>>Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 10:21 PM
>>> >>>>Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] digital player information
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>>Good evaluation!
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>Mike
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>> >>>>>From: dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org 
>>> >>>>>[mailto:dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> >>>>>On
>>> >>>>>Behalf Of Jim Barbour
>>> >>>>>Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 10:37 AM
>>> >>>>>To: Dale Leavens; Discussion of Digital Talking Books
>>> >>>>>Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] digital player information
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>I would agree that the stream is a better device, some specifics
>>> >>>>>below.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>* I've never seen software stability issues with the stream.  It 
>>> >>>>>will,
>>> >>>>> once a year or so for me, corrupt its internal database and need 
>>> >>>>> to
>>> >>>>> be reset.  This is a minor issue, despite how it sounds <smile>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>* The stream is a much better book reader, feeling much more
>>> >>>>> comfortable and intuitive than the pocket.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>* The pocket does do wifi.  However, there is no web browser.  This
>>> >>>>> means that you can't use it with any public facing wifi, such as 
>>> >>>>> at
>>> >>>>> a starbucks.  This is because there's no way to enter a password, 
>>> >>>>> or
>>> >>>>> agree to terms of service.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>* The pocket is a much better recorder.  If you're looking for a 
>>> >>>>>way
>>> >>>>> to organize class recordings, have books read, etc. then the 
>>> >>>>> pocket
>>> >>>>> becomes much more attractive.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>* I would also have a look at the book port plus from APH.  They 
>>> >>>>>took
>>> >>>>> the Pocket and redid much of its firmware.  So, the commands are
>>> >>>>> different, and the features changed slightly.  I like the Book 
>>> >>>>> Port
>>> >>>>> more than the pocket, and I like the stream better than either.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>Hope this helps,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>Jim
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 01:01:49PM -0400, Dale Leavens wrote:
>>> >>>>>>All you say is true from my perspective too. The Stream has a 
>>> >>>>>>better
>>> >>>>>>and
>>> >>>>>>louder speaker as well however we have some software stability 
>>> >>>>>>issues
>>> >>>>>>with
>>> >>>>>>the Stream. Just recently when copying DAISY content from CNIB 
>>> >>>>>>discs
>>> >>>>>>apparently works but the book does not appear in the bookshelf. 
>>> >>>>>>When
>>> >>>>>>attempting to copy it again one is prompted to overwrite the book
>>> >>>>>>which
>>> >>>>>>apparently isn't there and doing so doesn't put it there either.
>>> >>>>>>There
>>> >>>>>seems
>>> >>>>>>to be issues around how the directory works and is organized. So 
>>> >>>>>>far
>>> >>>>>>I
>>> >>>>>have
>>> >>>>>>not seen this sort of trouble with the PlexTalk Pocket. I do wish 
>>> >>>>>>it
>>> >>>>>>had
>>> >>>>>>a
>>> >>>>>>more robust sound though and a better protective case for when I 
>>> >>>>>>am
>>> >>>>>wearing
>>> >>>>>>it about my work in the shop and gardens.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>Dale leavens.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrews, David B (DEED)"
>>> >>>>>><david.b.andrews at state.mn.us>
>>> >>>>>>To: "Discussion of Digital Talking Books" <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:16 PM
>>> >>>>>>Subject: Re: [Dtb-talk] digital player information
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>They are similar devices, they do many of the same things  --  
>>> >>>>>>>they
>>> >>>>>>>both
>>> >>>>>>>have their strengths and weaknesses.  Personally I think the 
>>> >>>>>>>Stream
>>> >>>>is >>>a
>>> >>>>>>>better DAISY book player, its algorithms for speeding up a book
>>> >>>>>>>without
>>> >>>>>>>changing the pitch are better, and it has very good battery life,
>>> >>>>>>>and
>>> >>>>>>>is
>>> >>>>>>>well thought out, and easy to use.  The Pocket is thinner and
>>> >>>>>>>lighter,
>>> >>>>>>>is
>>> >>>>>>>probably a better recorder, and can now be connected for some 
>>> >>>>>>>things
>>> >>>>>>>via
>>> >>>>>>>Wifi.  I don't find it as easy to use, and battery life isn't as
>>> >>>>>>>good,
>>> >>>>>but
>>> >>>>>>>smaller.
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>So, it depends on what is important to you!
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>Dave
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>> >>>>>>>From: dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> >>>>>>>[mailto:dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> >>>>>>>On
>>> >>>>>>>Behalf Of Sarah
>>> >>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 10:41 AM
>>> >>>>>>>To: dtb-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> >>>>>>>Subject: [Dtb-talk] digital player information
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>Hello. I have been using a Victor Reader stream for several 
>>> >>>>>>>years. I
>>> >>>>>would
>>> >>>>>>>like to know the difference between the stream and the PlexTalk
>>> >>>>>>>Pocket.
>>> >>>>>>>Thank you.
>>> >>>>>>>   Sarah
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>
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