[DTB-Talk] Bard sensoring certain material?

Sat Jul 27 16:15:55 UTC 2019

I've been using NLS for 40 years.  I'm not aware of any NLS recordings of abridged books.  Does anyone have specific examples of abridged material recorded by NLS?

NLS does publish a lot of content from audible.com  Again, I'm pretty sure that NLS only distributes unabridged recordings from audible.  Does anyone know of abridged books that NLS has distributed from Audible?

JIm

On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 11:58:20AM -0400, Pamela Dominguez via DTB-Talk wrote:
> I have not ever known that BARD has done abridged books.  The only time I
> remember seeing an abridged book is when I got one in braille that was a
> hand-copied, thermoform braille book done by another agency.  That was back
> in the 1970s.  The book was called Intern by Dr. X.  Pam.
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Peter Donahue via DTB-Talk
> Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 5:07 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Digital Talking Books'
> Cc: Peter Donahue
> Subject: Re: [DTB-Talk] Bard sensoring certain material?
> 
> Good afternoon everyone,
> 
> Praise God for iBooks, Amazon Kindle, Audiobooks.com, and Audible. It may be
> that BARD is only recording abridge versions of books hence the disrespect
> for its patrons. Mary downloads an occasional book fromBARD. I can't
> remember when the last time was when I read a book from NLS. Its collection
> is seriously lacking when it comes to the type of books I read many dealing
> with agriculture, Gospel, Inspiration, computer topics, and travel.
> 
> Solution? Do some dumpster diving to raise the needed funds to buy
> unabridged versions of books and know that you're getting what you paid for
> and no disrespect is shown. Around here self-funding products and services
> we use to live independently is job one! Before anyone thinks we were borne
> with silver spoons in our mouth we know what its like living on Social
> Security and eating pancakes for supper. The difference was seazing
> opportunity when it came our way to improve our financial situation. If we
> don't want blindness agencies like the NLS deciding what material is
> appropriate for us to read and what isn't it's our responsibility to find
> ways to buy our own books in accessible media. Several solutions now exist
> that allow us to do that.
> 
> By the way www.audiobooks.com is available on many types of devices
> including Apple TV. We found a few titles available via audiobooks.com that
> aren't available through any other service including the NLS and
> Bookshare.org. You can sign up for a 30-day free trial which we plan to do
> when we get paid. All the best.
> 
> Peter Donahue who hopes Audible comes to Apple TV Under tvOS 13.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DTB-Talk [mailto:dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sherri via
> DTB-Talk
> Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 2:29 PM
> To: 'Discussion of Digital Talking Books'
> Cc: Sherri
> Subject: Re: [DTB-Talk] Bard sensoring certain material?
> 
> Oh this is not good.  Did not use to be this way!  Why are they treating us
> like children?
> 
> Sherri
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DTB-Talk [mailto:dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cheryl
> Osborn via DTB-Talk
> Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 3:23 PM
> To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Cheryl Osborn <chapalacheryl at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DTB-Talk] Bard sensoring certain material?
> 
> Very well put. Thank you for saying that.
> 
> Cheryl Osborn
> 
> 
> > On Jul 26, 2019, at 1:49 PM, Dale Leavens via DTB-Talk
> > <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > 
> > I resent the patronizing attitude toward us as blind people, like
> > children who apparently don’t have sufficient personalities to discern
> > for ourselves.
> > 
> > 
> > Many of us Canadians don’t understand how carefully American television
> > sensor language on television broadcasts but so readily show often
> > gratuitous violence of the most graphical type.
> > 
> > I suppose culture is a complicated thing and very personal
> > 
> > Still, I resent having to accept other people’s values being imposed on
> > me just because I have no visual acuity.
> > 
> > Cheers.
> > 
> > 
> > Dale Leavens
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> > > On Jul 26, 2019, at 2:06 PM, Christopher Gilland via DTB-Talk
> > > <dtb-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > > 
> > > OK, I just made a discovery today which does not at all make me the
> > > slightest bit happy.
> > > 
> > > I'm not one for swearing, however, neither am I one for sensorship.
> > > 
> > > I was listening to a book which I'd downloaded from Bard, come to
> > > think of it, this was the 2nd title I've noticed this. I'm only
> > > quoting here from a book, so please do not ban me for a simple
> > > quotation, and not that of my own remark, but one line in the book
> > > said, "by the look on her face, you would have thought she didn't
> > > give a shit." What you actually heard however in the downloaded Bard
> > > recording was, she didn't give a... bee'eep. The only way I know
> > > they said the word s h i t is because it's a commurcial audio book,
> > > and, it just so happens that I downloaded the original mainstream
> > > recording from Audible, as I was very curious if they actually
> > > bleeped the word in the mainstream recording. I've found most audio
> > > books Bard or not, if there is a swear word, regardless cultural
> > > beliefs etc, the narrator *has* to say it. If you're a pro narrator,
> > > from what I understand, you have to put emotions and things like
> > > that aside in order for the recording to past quality control
> > > screening. Anyway, on the actual Audible version, same narrator,
> > > same recording, etc, it was not bleeped out. I could make out the
> > > word clear as night and day.
> > > 
> > > This led me to check the other book to see if the book did the same
> > > thing. I downloaded the Bard book again to my shelf, went to the
> > > chapter in question, and listened through Bard. The line was, and
> > > no, even quoting, I'm not gonna repeat this word as it's way more
> > > offensive to many than the sh word, but basically, the line was, it
> > > was f**king crazy.
> > > 
> > > The narrator on the Bard version said, effing crazy. When I listened
> > > to the version on Audible, and even checked the actual print text
> > > through a scanned copy on Bookshare, the actual F word was there.
> > > Again, I ab, suh, lootly! do not condone that type language,
> > > however, that said, come on! It's a book for Pete sake!
> > > 
> > > Why're Bard narrators all of a sudden unlike before being coached
> > > evidently to not just read what is on the page? Both these books
> > > were fairly newer titles. Bard didn't seem to used to do this.
> > > 
> > > What changed?
> > > 
> > > Chris.
> > > 
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