[Electronics-talk] Needed iphone advice, the list subscription for iphone for user in CanadaRE: Mac, etc.

Dhunthausen dhunthausen at gmail.com
Sat Aug 21 21:26:26 UTC 2010 

is it pretty tedious to type on the iphone? I would think that typing text 
messages and e-mails would take forever. thanks

Drew

Drew Hunthausen
714-296-7111
Mailto: dhunthausen at gmail.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances" 
<electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Needed iphone advice,the list subscription 
for iphone for user in CanadaRE: Mac, etc.


>I like the iPhone 4. I've had one about three weeks and although the 
>initial learning curve seemed a bit daunting, with a bit of persistence and 
>a modicum of common sense, all comes right in the end and it's surprising 
>how many of the applications available for the iPhone 4 work well as soon 
>as loaded from the App store.
>
> The touch screen isn't too hard in that VoiceOver tells you what you're 
> running your finger over and if you realize that the little tiles or 
> squares the screen is divided into -- the "buttons" and text fields -- are 
> exactly what the sighted person sees, it all makes sense.
>
> That said, however, I recall one list participatn who said he'd returned 
> his iPhone as he just couldn't handle no buttons (actually there are a 
> couple but not part of the iPhone 4 keyboard).
>
> I will say that the reports of loss of signal due to holding the iPhone 4 
> in the wrong position are, in my experience, much exaggerated. I know of a 
> gentleman who says he has exactly the same problem with his Blackberry. So 
> while there may be some validity to the problem, much of it was as much 
> news media and consumerist hype as it was reality and most other smart 
> phones with numerous functions and antennae would have the same problem.
>
> Mike Freeman
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Sharon Ballantyne" <sballan at nexicom.net>
> To: "'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'" 
> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 9:57 AM
> Subject: [Electronics-talk] Needed iphone advice,the list subscription for 
> iphone for user in CanadaRE: Mac, etc.
>
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I am interested in thoughts around iphone 4. I saw the 3GS with voic over 
>> on
>> it yesterday. The person showing me the phone really knew what he was 
>> doing.
>> I have been paranoid about the touchscreen. Thoughts on iphone 4 
>> contrasted
>> with iphone 3 appreciated. To post off list write to:
>> sballan at nexicom.net
>>
>> If someone could repost the iphone subscription informationfor list or 
>> lists
>> that focus on blind users, that would be great.
>>
>> I would also be very interested to speak with anyone in Canada using an
>> iphone about the cell provider they are with. I am currently with Bell
>> Canada.
>>
>> Many thanks,
>> Sharon
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Christopher
>> Chaltain
>> Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 12:32 PM
>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Mac, etc.
>>
>>
>> According to the list's web page, ....
>>
>> "This list is intended for the sharing of information about, and
>> discussion of the accessibility of various consumer electronics devices.
>> Sharing of information
>> about, and discussion of MP3 players; cell phones and other telephones;
>> DVD players, receivers and other stereo and video components; satellite
>> and HD
>> radios; and household appliances including microwaves, washers, dryers,
>> stoves, and the like; is appropriate and encouraged. With more and more
>> devices
>> having inaccessible controls or displays, a place to share information
>> and experiences is needed. It is also hoped that this list will divert
>> such discussions
>> from other NFB-sponsored lists, where it is not appropriate."
>>
>> "This list will also on occasion carry announcements and/or information
>> of importance to the NFB and its members and friends as a whole."
>>
>> I guess it's up for interpretation, but I don't consider a PC to be "a
>> consumer electronics device", and I'm OK with David--the
>> moderator--making that call. I joined this list to hear about accessible
>> consumer electronics, and I'll join other lists to talk about PC's.
>>
>> Since David's post isn't included in the thread below, and I didn't
>> bother to keep it, I can't speak to whether it could have been more
>> polite with more please's and thank you's, but I don't recall seeing
>> anything from David that was particularly rude. In general, I find David
>> can be a it terse and to the point at times, but he almost always
>> directs people to other sources of information when they're straying off
>> topic. I also don't think he clamps down on off topic posts too quickly,
>> which is good for a general purpose list like this. In conclusion, I've
>> seen much worse moderators who were either too heavy handed or went to
>> the other extreme and let the list deteriorate into off topic threads
>> and flame wars.
>>
>> I Do wonder what a list moderator can do to moderate the list without
>> opening themselves up and the rest of the list to this debate and
>> discussion every time they step in as the list moderator though. For my
>> part, I'm happy letting David moderate his own list.
>>
>> If this list is less cordial than other lists, I don't think it's the
>> fault of the moderator. A moderator can only do so much to enforce
>> civility on a list. I don't think we have anyone to blame but ourselves.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Christopher
>> chaltain at gmail.com
>>
>>
>> On 8/21/2010 7:53 AM, Steve P. Deeley wrote:
>>> Are you saying that a computer is not an electronic device??  That is
>>> ridiculous.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Werner"
>>> <craig_werner at verizon.net>
>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 8:46 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Mac, etc.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Twenty-four years of online experience teaches me that sending "I
>>>> agree" messages are poor etiquette, but I'm going to post one anyway.
>>>>
>>>> I agree with Peter:  I suggest that an occasional foray into
>>>> discussion of computers is not uncalled for.  If this were a
>>>> high-volume list, and if such messages proliferated, then I would
>>>> probably change my mind. However, as matters with this list stand
>>>> now, I fail to see the harm or inconvenience caused by well-meaning
>>>> posts such as those Ray has sent out about the Mac.  In fact, they
>>>> are potentially instructive and helpfull.
>>>>
>>>> Craig
>>>>
>>>> On 8/21/2010 5:31 AM, Peter Rabaioli wrote:
>>>>> With notable exceptions, there is a lack of cordiality in general by
>>>>> the
>>>>> participants on this list.  Ray was kind enough to answer a couple of
>>>>> questions about using a Mac as a happy user of such a device, which,
>>>>> to me
>>>>> is an electronic device.  Perhaps keeping bafoons such as  Dewey's
>>>>> rants off
>>>>> the air, would be more in line in the role  of the list moderator, 
>>>>> than
>>>>> deciding weather, or not a computer is a part of tech gear. Thank
>>>>> you for
>>>>> the suggestion for looking at another list for computer use.    I've
>>>>> seen
>>>>> much more  off topic items listed here.   A few more please and
>>>>> thank you's
>>>>> would lift the general level of communication here.  Just my humble
>>>>> opinion.
>>>>> All the best, and, thanks again to Ray.  Best, Peter
>>>
>>
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