[Electronics-talk] Needed iphone advice, the list subscription for iphone for user in CanadaRE: Mac, etc.

Sat Aug 21 21:42:53 UTC 2010

More tedious than on a keyboard but not nearly as much as one might think.

Mike

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dhunthausen" <dhunthausen at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances" 
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Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Needed iphone advice,the list subscription 
for iphone for user in CanadaRE: Mac, etc.

> is it pretty tedious to type on the iphone? I would think that typing text 
> messages and e-mails would take forever. thanks
>
> Drew
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances" 
> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 2:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Needed iphone advice,the list subscription 
> for iphone for user in CanadaRE: Mac, etc.
>
>
>>I like the iPhone 4. I've had one about three weeks and although the 
>>initial learning curve seemed a bit daunting, with a bit of persistence 
>>and a modicum of common sense, all comes right in the end and it's 
>>surprising how many of the applications available for the iPhone 4 work 
>>well as soon as loaded from the App store.
>>
>> The touch screen isn't too hard in that VoiceOver tells you what you're 
>> running your finger over and if you realize that the little tiles or 
>> squares the screen is divided into -- the "buttons" and text fields --  
>> are exactly what the sighted person sees, it all makes sense.
>>
>> That said, however, I recall one list participatn who said he'd returned 
>> his iPhone as he just couldn't handle no buttons (actually there are a 
>> couple but not part of the iPhone 4 keyboard).
>>
>> I will say that the reports of loss of signal due to holding the iPhone 4 
>> in the wrong position are, in my experience, much exaggerated. I know of 
>> a gentleman who says he has exactly the same problem with his Blackberry. 
>> So while there may be some validity to the problem, much of it was as 
>> much news media and consumerist hype as it was reality and most other 
>> smart phones with numerous functions and antennae would have the same 
>> problem.
>>
>> Mike Freeman
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Sharon Ballantyne" <sballan at nexicom.net>
>> To: "'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'" 
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 9:57 AM
>> Subject: [Electronics-talk] Needed iphone advice,the list subscription 
>> for iphone for user in CanadaRE: Mac, etc.
>>
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I am interested in thoughts around iphone 4. I saw the 3GS with voic 
>>> over on
>>> it yesterday. The person showing me the phone really knew what he was 
>>> doing.
>>> I have been paranoid about the touchscreen. Thoughts on iphone 4 
>>> contrasted
>>> with iphone 3 appreciated. To post off list write to:
>>> sballan at nexicom.net
>>>
>>> If someone could repost the iphone subscription informationfor list or 
>>> lists
>>> that focus on blind users, that would be great.
>>>
>>> I would also be very interested to speak with anyone in Canada using an
>>> iphone about the cell provider they are with. I am currently with Bell
>>> Canada.
>>>
>>> Many thanks,
>>> Sharon
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Christopher
>>> Chaltain
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 12:32 PM
>>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Mac, etc.
>>>
>>>
>>> According to the list's web page, ....
>>>
>>> "This list is intended for the sharing of information about, and
>>> discussion of the accessibility of various consumer electronics devices.
>>> Sharing of information
>>> about, and discussion of MP3 players; cell phones and other telephones;
>>> DVD players, receivers and other stereo and video components; satellite
>>> and HD
>>> radios; and household appliances including microwaves, washers, dryers,
>>> stoves, and the like; is appropriate and encouraged. With more and more
>>> devices
>>> having inaccessible controls or displays, a place to share information
>>> and experiences is needed. It is also hoped that this list will divert
>>> such discussions
>>> from other NFB-sponsored lists, where it is not appropriate."
>>>
>>> "This list will also on occasion carry announcements and/or information
>>> of importance to the NFB and its members and friends as a whole."
>>>
>>> I guess it's up for interpretation, but I don't consider a PC to be "a
>>> consumer electronics device", and I'm OK with David--the
>>> moderator--making that call. I joined this list to hear about accessible
>>> consumer electronics, and I'll join other lists to talk about PC's.
>>>
>>> Since David's post isn't included in the thread below, and I didn't
>>> bother to keep it, I can't speak to whether it could have been more
>>> polite with more please's and thank you's, but I don't recall seeing
>>> anything from David that was particularly rude. In general, I find David
>>> can be a it terse and to the point at times, but he almost always
>>> directs people to other sources of information when they're straying off
>>> topic. I also don't think he clamps down on off topic posts too quickly,
>>> which is good for a general purpose list like this. In conclusion, I've
>>> seen much worse moderators who were either too heavy handed or went to
>>> the other extreme and let the list deteriorate into off topic threads
>>> and flame wars.
>>>
>>> I Do wonder what a list moderator can do to moderate the list without
>>> opening themselves up and the rest of the list to this debate and
>>> discussion every time they step in as the list moderator though. For my
>>> part, I'm happy letting David moderate his own list.
>>>
>>> If this list is less cordial than other lists, I don't think it's the
>>> fault of the moderator. A moderator can only do so much to enforce
>>> civility on a list. I don't think we have anyone to blame but ourselves.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Christopher
>>> chaltain at gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/21/2010 7:53 AM, Steve P. Deeley wrote:
>>>> Are you saying that a computer is not an electronic device??  That is
>>>> ridiculous.
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Werner"
>>>> <craig_werner at verizon.net>
>>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 8:46 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Mac, etc.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Twenty-four years of online experience teaches me that sending "I
>>>>> agree" messages are poor etiquette, but I'm going to post one anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree with Peter:  I suggest that an occasional foray into
>>>>> discussion of computers is not uncalled for.  If this were a
>>>>> high-volume list, and if such messages proliferated, then I would
>>>>> probably change my mind. However, as matters with this list stand
>>>>> now, I fail to see the harm or inconvenience caused by well-meaning
>>>>> posts such as those Ray has sent out about the Mac.  In fact, they
>>>>> are potentially instructive and helpfull.
>>>>>
>>>>> Craig
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/21/2010 5:31 AM, Peter Rabaioli wrote:
>>>>>> With notable exceptions, there is a lack of cordiality in general by
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> participants on this list.  Ray was kind enough to answer a couple of
>>>>>> questions about using a Mac as a happy user of such a device, which,
>>>>>> to me
>>>>>> is an electronic device.  Perhaps keeping bafoons such as  Dewey's
>>>>>> rants off
>>>>>> the air, would be more in line in the role  of the list moderator, 
>>>>>> than
>>>>>> deciding weather, or not a computer is a part of tech gear. Thank
>>>>>> you for
>>>>>> the suggestion for looking at another list for computer use.    I've
>>>>>> seen
>>>>>> much more  off topic items listed here.   A few more please and
>>>>>> thank you's
>>>>>> would lift the general level of communication here.  Just my humble
>>>>>> opinion.
>>>>>> All the best, and, thanks again to Ray.  Best, Peter
>>>>
>>>
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