[Electronics-talk] Needed iphone advice, the list subscription for iphone for user in CanadaRE: Mac, etc.

[Sharon Ballantyne]

Hi,

On the iphone I saw,the user had downloaded the dictation aps which I
imagine is some sort of modification from the dragon naturally speaking
products and he said he does type messages but when lazy or in a time crunch
he simply activates his dictation aps and basicly has a really good speech
to text option. I don't know more than that about it but perhaps of help to
someone.

Take care.
Sharon 

-----Original Message-----
From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 5:43 PM
To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Needed iphone advice,the list subscription
for iphone for user in CanadaRE: Mac, etc.


More tedious than on a keyboard but not nearly as much as one might think.

Mike

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dhunthausen" <dhunthausen at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances" 
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Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Needed iphone advice,the list subscription 
for iphone for user in CanadaRE: Mac, etc.


> is it pretty tedious to type on the iphone? I would think that typing 
> text
> messages and e-mails would take forever. thanks
>
> Drew
>
> Drew Hunthausen
> 714-296-7111
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances" 
> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 2:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Needed iphone advice,the list subscription

> for iphone for user in CanadaRE: Mac, etc.
>
>
>>I like the iPhone 4. I've had one about three weeks and although the
>>initial learning curve seemed a bit daunting, with a bit of persistence 
>>and a modicum of common sense, all comes right in the end and it's 
>>surprising how many of the applications available for the iPhone 4 work 
>>well as soon as loaded from the App store.
>>
>> The touch screen isn't too hard in that VoiceOver tells you what 
>> you're
>> running your finger over and if you realize that the little tiles or 
>> squares the screen is divided into -- the "buttons" and text fields --  
>> are exactly what the sighted person sees, it all makes sense.
>>
>> That said, however, I recall one list participatn who said he'd 
>> returned
>> his iPhone as he just couldn't handle no buttons (actually there are a 
>> couple but not part of the iPhone 4 keyboard).
>>
>> I will say that the reports of loss of signal due to holding the 
>> iPhone 4
>> in the wrong position are, in my experience, much exaggerated. I know of 
>> a gentleman who says he has exactly the same problem with his Blackberry.

>> So while there may be some validity to the problem, much of it was as 
>> much news media and consumerist hype as it was reality and most other 
>> smart phones with numerous functions and antennae would have the same 
>> problem.
>>
>> Mike Freeman
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Sharon Ballantyne" <sballan at nexicom.net>
>> To: "'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'" 
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 9:57 AM
>> Subject: [Electronics-talk] Needed iphone advice,the list subscription 
>> for iphone for user in CanadaRE: Mac, etc.
>>
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I am interested in thoughts around iphone 4. I saw the 3GS with voic
>>> over on
>>> it yesterday. The person showing me the phone really knew what he was 
>>> doing.
>>> I have been paranoid about the touchscreen. Thoughts on iphone 4 
>>> contrasted
>>> with iphone 3 appreciated. To post off list write to:
>>> sballan at nexicom.net
>>>
>>> If someone could repost the iphone subscription informationfor list 
>>> or
>>> lists
>>> that focus on blind users, that would be great.
>>>
>>> I would also be very interested to speak with anyone in Canada using 
>>> an iphone about the cell provider they are with. I am currently with 
>>> Bell Canada.
>>>
>>> Many thanks,
>>> Sharon
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>>> Christopher Chaltain
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 12:32 PM
>>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Mac, etc.
>>>
>>>
>>> According to the list's web page, ....
>>>
>>> "This list is intended for the sharing of information about, and 
>>> discussion of the accessibility of various consumer electronics 
>>> devices. Sharing of information about, and discussion of MP3 
>>> players; cell phones and other telephones; DVD players, receivers 
>>> and other stereo and video components; satellite and HD
>>> radios; and household appliances including microwaves, washers, dryers,
>>> stoves, and the like; is appropriate and encouraged. With more and more
>>> devices
>>> having inaccessible controls or displays, a place to share information
>>> and experiences is needed. It is also hoped that this list will divert
>>> such discussions
>>> from other NFB-sponsored lists, where it is not appropriate."
>>>
>>> "This list will also on occasion carry announcements and/or 
>>> information of importance to the NFB and its members and friends as 
>>> a whole."
>>>
>>> I guess it's up for interpretation, but I don't consider a PC to be 
>>> "a consumer electronics device", and I'm OK with David--the 
>>> moderator--making that call. I joined this list to hear about 
>>> accessible consumer electronics, and I'll join other lists to talk 
>>> about PC's.
>>>
>>> Since David's post isn't included in the thread below, and I didn't 
>>> bother to keep it, I can't speak to whether it could have been more 
>>> polite with more please's and thank you's, but I don't recall seeing 
>>> anything from David that was particularly rude. In general, I find 
>>> David can be a it terse and to the point at times, but he almost 
>>> always directs people to other sources of information when they're 
>>> straying off topic. I also don't think he clamps down on off topic 
>>> posts too quickly, which is good for a general purpose list like 
>>> this. In conclusion, I've seen much worse moderators who were either 
>>> too heavy handed or went to the other extreme and let the list 
>>> deteriorate into off topic threads and flame wars.
>>>
>>> I Do wonder what a list moderator can do to moderate the list 
>>> without opening themselves up and the rest of the list to this 
>>> debate and discussion every time they step in as the list moderator 
>>> though. For my part, I'm happy letting David moderate his own list.
>>>
>>> If this list is less cordial than other lists, I don't think it's 
>>> the fault of the moderator. A moderator can only do so much to 
>>> enforce civility on a list. I don't think we have anyone to blame 
>>> but ourselves.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Christopher
>>> chaltain at gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/21/2010 7:53 AM, Steve P. Deeley wrote:
>>>> Are you saying that a computer is not an electronic device??  That 
>>>> is ridiculous.
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Werner" 
>>>> <craig_werner at verizon.net>
>>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances" 
>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 8:46 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Mac, etc.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Twenty-four years of online experience teaches me that sending "I 
>>>>> agree" messages are poor etiquette, but I'm going to post one 
>>>>> anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree with Peter:  I suggest that an occasional foray into 
>>>>> discussion of computers is not uncalled for.  If this were a 
>>>>> high-volume list, and if such messages proliferated, then I would 
>>>>> probably change my mind. However, as matters with this list stand 
>>>>> now, I fail to see the harm or inconvenience caused by 
>>>>> well-meaning posts such as those Ray has sent out about the Mac.  
>>>>> In fact, they are potentially instructive and helpfull.
>>>>>
>>>>> Craig
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/21/2010 5:31 AM, Peter Rabaioli wrote:
>>>>>> With notable exceptions, there is a lack of cordiality in general 
>>>>>> by the participants on this list.  Ray was kind enough to answer 
>>>>>> a couple of questions about using a Mac as a happy user of such a 
>>>>>> device, which, to me
>>>>>> is an electronic device.  Perhaps keeping bafoons such as  Dewey's
>>>>>> rants off
>>>>>> the air, would be more in line in the role  of the list moderator, 
>>>>>> than
>>>>>> deciding weather, or not a computer is a part of tech gear. Thank
>>>>>> you for
>>>>>> the suggestion for looking at another list for computer use.    I've
>>>>>> seen
>>>>>> much more  off topic items listed here.   A few more please and
>>>>>> thank you's
>>>>>> would lift the general level of communication here.  Just my humble
>>>>>> opinion.
>>>>>> All the best, and, thanks again to Ray.  Best, Peter
>>>>
>>>
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