[Electronics-talk] Needed iphone advice, the list subscription for iphone for user in CanadaRE: Mac, etc.

Thu Aug 26 03:56:42 UTC 2010

Hmmm ... Wonder how the "keyboard" accommodates different apps?

Mike

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "dreicer, zachary" <z.dreicer at emissives.com>
To: "Discussion of accessible electronics andappliances" 
<electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Needed iphone advice,the list subscription 
for iphone for user in CanadaRE: Mac, etc.

> another thing, there's the iphone cover case that makes the screen a 
> sort-of keyboard, this is from solona.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com
> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and 
> appliances"<electronics-talk at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 14:17:20 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Needed iphone advice,the list subscription 
> for iphone for user in CanadaRE:  Mac, etc.
>
> I like the iPhone 4.  I've had one about three weeks and although the 
> initial
> learning curve seemed a bit daunting, with a bit of persistence and a
> modicum of common sense, all comes right in the end and it's surprising 
> how
> many of the applications available for the iPhone 4 work well as soon as
> loaded from the App store.
>
> The touch screen isn't too hard in that VoiceOver tells you what you're
> running your finger over and if you realize that the little tiles or 
> squares
> the screen is divided into -- the "buttons" and text fields -- 
> are exactly
> what the sighted person sees, it all makes sense.
>
> That said, however, I recall one list participatn who said he'd returned 
> his
> iPhone as he just couldn't handle no buttons (actually there are a couple
> but not part of the iPhone 4 keyboard).
>
> I will say that the reports of loss of signal due to holding the iPhone 4 
> in
> the wrong position are, in my experience, much exaggerated.  I know of a
> gentleman who says he has exactly the same problem with his Blackberry. 
> So
> while there may be some validity to the problem, much of it was as much 
> news
> media and consumerist hype as it was reality and most other smart phones
> with numerous functions and antennae would have the same problem.
>
> Mike Freeman
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sharon Ballantyne" <sballan at nexicom.net
> To: "'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'"
> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 9:57 AM
> Subject: [Electronics-talk] Needed iphone advice,the list subscription for
> iphone for user in CanadaRE: Mac, etc.
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I am interested in thoughts around iphone 4.  I saw the 3GS with voic over
> on
> it yesterday.  The person showing me the phone really knew what he was
> doing.
> I have been paranoid about the touchscreen.  Thoughts on iphone 4
> contrasted
> with iphone 3 appreciated.  To post off list write to:
> sballan at nexicom.net
>
> If someone could repost the iphone subscription informationfor list or
> lists
> that focus on blind users, that would be great.
>
> I would also be very interested to speak with anyone in Canada using an
> iphone about the cell provider they are with.  I am currently with Bell
> Canada.
>
> Many thanks,
> Sharon
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Christopher
> Chaltain
> Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 12:32 PM
> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Mac, etc.
>
>
> According to the list's web page, ....
>
> "This list is intended for the sharing of information about, and
> discussion of the accessibility of various consumer electronics devices.
> Sharing of information
> about, and discussion of MP3 players; cell phones and other telephones;
> DVD players, receivers and other stereo and video components; satellite
> and HD
> radios; and household appliances including microwaves, washers, dryers,
> stoves, and the like; is appropriate and encouraged.  With more and more
> devices
> having inaccessible controls or displays, a place to share information
> and experiences is needed.  It is also hoped that this list will divert
> such discussions
> from other NFB-sponsored lists, where it is not appropriate."
>
> "This list will also on occasion carry announcements and/or information
> of importance to the NFB and its members and friends as a whole."
>
> I guess it's up for interpretation, but I don't consider a PC to be "a
> consumer electronics device", and I'm OK with David--the
> moderator--making that call.  I joined this list to hear about accessible
> consumer electronics, and I'll join other lists to talk about PC's.
>
> Since David's post isn't included in the thread below, and I didn't
> bother to keep it, I can't speak to whether it could have been more
> polite with more please's and thank you's, but I don't recall seeing
> anything from David that was particularly rude.  In general, I find David
> can be a it terse and to the point at times, but he almost always
> directs people to other sources of information when they're straying off
> topic.  I also don't think he clamps down on off topic posts too quickly,
> which is good for a general purpose list like this.  In conclusion, I've
> seen much worse moderators who were either too heavy handed or went to
> the other extreme and let the list deteriorate into off topic threads
> and flame wars.
>
> I Do wonder what a list moderator can do to moderate the list without
> opening themselves up and the rest of the list to this debate and
> discussion every time they step in as the list moderator though.  For my
> part, I'm happy letting David moderate his own list.
>
> If this list is less cordial than other lists, I don't think it's the
> fault of the moderator.  A moderator can only do so much to enforce
> civility on a list.  I don't think we have anyone to blame but ourselves.
>
> --
>
> Christopher
> chaltain at gmail.com
>
>
> On 8/21/2010 7:53 AM, Steve P.  Deeley wrote:
> Are you saying that a computer is not an electronic device??  That is
> ridiculous.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Werner"
> <craig_werner at verizon.net
> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 8:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Mac, etc.
>
>
> Twenty-four years of online experience teaches me that sending "I
> agree" messages are poor etiquette, but I'm going to post one anyway.
>
> I agree with Peter:  I suggest that an occasional foray into
> discussion of computers is not uncalled for.  If this were a
> high-volume list, and if such messages proliferated, then I would
> probably change my mind.  However, as matters with this list stand
> now, I fail to see the harm or inconvenience caused by well-meaning
> posts such as those Ray has sent out about the Mac.  In fact, they
> are potentially instructive and helpfull.
>
> Craig
>
> On 8/21/2010 5:31 AM, Peter Rabaioli wrote:
> With notable exceptions, there is a lack of cordiality in general by
> the
> participants on this list.  Ray was kind enough to answer a couple of
> questions about using a Mac as a happy user of such a device, which,
> to me
> is an electronic device.  Perhaps keeping bafoons such as  Dewey's
> rants off
> the air, would be more in line in the role  of the list moderator, than
> deciding weather, or not a computer is a part of tech gear.  Thank
> you for
> the suggestion for looking at another list for computer use.    I've
> seen
> much more  off topic items listed here.   A few more please and
> thank you's
> would lift the general level of communication here.  Just my humble
> opinion.
> All the best, and, thanks again to Ray.  Best, Peter
>
>
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