[Electronics-talk] ATM's

Sun Jul 4 00:14:23 UTC 2010

Actually, in California businesses are prosecuted regularly for violating 
sections of the ADA and under application of state civil rights laws 
consumers whose rights were violated are entitled to up to $4000 for each 
violation. This is why many blind people in California received settlements 
in the NFB V. Target suit that was settled last year due to their web site 
inaccessibility that they did not want to address.
Chuck
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited at verizon.net>
To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances" 
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Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] ATM's


>
> The ADA is a joke.  Has anyone ever been criminally prosecuted for 
> violating a disabled person's civil rights under the ADA?  Of course not. 
> So banks can routinely disregard the ADA with respect to accessible ATM's. 
> If they get caught brading the rules, they simply pay the nominal fine and 
> merely raise their fees to cover it.  Just the cost of doing business. 
> Personally, I never use ATM's.  Any time I need cash, I just walk up to 
> the customer service desk at my local bank and the service rep assigned to 
> my account handles the transaction.  Safe and simple.
>
> Gerald
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steve Johnson" <stevencjohnson at centurytel.net>
> To: "'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'" 
> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 2:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] ATM's
>
>
>> Just as an FYI, I looked at the Access Board and took it one step further 
>> to
>> see what the ADAAG held in regards to guidelines surrounding accessible
>> ATM's.  It is very vague, and unlike so many other parts of the ADAAG, it
>> lacks the specific elements an ATM should contain. So, the answer to my
>> question is yes, there are specifications within the ADA governing access 
>> to
>> ATM's for the blind, but it is so vague that it creates a loophole for
>> financial institutions to get through and around.  Fortunately to the 
>> work
>> and strong advocacy of organizations such as the NFB, we see that larger
>> financial companies realize that the market for this technology goes way
>> beyond persons who are blind/visually impaired.
>>
>> Just my opinion,
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carolyn Brock
>> Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 12:40 PM
>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] ATM's
>>
>> Good grief!  It's simply easier--and cheaper--for banks to have all the
>> machines made to the same specifications, rather than worrying about 
>> where
>> they should put accessible machines and where not.  For starters, they'd
>> have to hire someone full-time to read all the chatter on lists like this
>> one!  So each of us can just plain choose:  walk into the bank, walk up 
>> to
>> an outside ATM, have a driver do the transaction for us, sit in the back
>> seat and do the transaction ourselves, or skip the whole thing by using
>> debit or credit cards for everything.  What's the big deal?
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 10:26 AM
>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] ATM's
>>
>>> Hey! I was joking.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Tim Shaw" <tshaw2007 at hotmail.com>
>>> To: <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 9:40 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] ATM's
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have never been afraid of getting mugged. If you act confident you
>>>> are no more likely to get mugged doing it that a person driving
>>>> through the ATM is to get carjacked
>>>>
>>>>> From: k7uij at panix.com
>>>>> To: electronics-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 09:26:01 -0700
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] ATM's
>>>>>
>>>>> And get mugged! <g>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Joyce Porter" <joyce.m.porter at verizon.net>
>>>>> To: "'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'"
>>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 6:34 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] ATM's
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > That would work if the cab driver would do it. Personally I'd much
>>>>> > rather be able to walk up to it.
>>>>> > Joyce
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>>>> > From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>> > [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David
>>>>> > Andrews
>>>>> > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 11:09 PM
>>>>> > To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>>>> > Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] ATM's
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Yes, I do it regularly.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Dave
>>>>> > At 07:54 AM 7/2/2010, you wrote:
>>>>> >>Actually, we (NFB) are advocating that such machines be accessible.
>>>>> >>Could not you envision a circumstance wherein you were in a cab and
>>>>> >>wanted cash so had the cabby pull up so the machine faced the back
>>>>> >>window where you are?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>Mike
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce Porter"
>>>>> > <joyce.m.porter at verizon.net>
>>>>> >>To: "'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'"
>>>>> >><electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> >>Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 3:30 AM
>>>>> >>Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] ATM's
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>>Speaking of ATM's, my bank has one with speech but guess where it 
>>>>> >>>is!
>>
>>>>> >>>It
>>>>> > is
>>>>> >>>at the drive-up window. Tell me how much sense that makes. That is
>>>>> >>>the
>>>>> >>>only ATM this bank has. Today I plan to call them.
>>>>> >>>Joyce
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > David Andrews: dandrews at visi.com
>>>>> > Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
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