[Electronics-talk] Windows versus Mac [was "RE: Question about Talking Scale"]
Ray Foret Jr
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Wed Sep 8 08:09:13 UTC 2010
Jud,
That is an excellent way to point out one of the things I just love about the Mac; the fact that one can, if necessary, do a completely hard formatting of the primary drive, and then, do a fresh OS install. All of it, accessibly. Another thing. Time machine beats all hell out of Windows system restore for both its accessibility and completeness of system restoration!!!
Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
A Very Proud and Happy Mac User!!!
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On Sep 8, 2010, at 2:33 AM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
I suppose one could write up a braille list of keystrokes for any version of windows as it applies to their specific equipment set up and base the timing of each response on when the cd or dvd drive stops spinning in order to do a fresh reinstall of windows after accessibility has gone away but this is extremely painful as compared to the Macintosh installation process. Screen narrator won't work to help installation along since windows has to already be installed to load sound card drivers from any source and screen narrator won't work until after that driver has been installed and the sound card is working. I'll correct that last statement, screen narrator will work but won't provide any accessibility benefit when it does. Microsoft accessibility division could have chosen to first have people at home get dos talking and then had them use a dos version of msbatch to start creating an msbatch.inf file. Once that had started windows setup could have been called by the dos version of msbatch in a shell context and collected unanswered questions from windows setup and presented them to the accessibility installer and collected answers. Those answers if found to be in correct format and range could have appended onto msbatch.inf file and then windows setup could again have been run with the ammended msbatch.inf file to collect more questions and repeat the cycle until windows had enough answers to actually install. When that happened, if the accessibility installer was ready windows setup could have been run with the final version of msbatch.inf to do the install. Of course, this would have required a --dry-run or --simulate switch for windows setup to accommodate such accessibility but since Microsoft's accessibility division cannot go around Microsoft and tell other divisions how to do their programming none of this could ever have happened and has no possibility to happen in the future. So a first test I use for operating systems is "if I have to reinstall it with no vision or memory of vision by myself can I do it with provided accessibility tools?". The answer for windows 98se was yes for the time the braille paper with the response list hadn't got damaged but for XP, the answer for that question is no. That's why dos; Linux, and Snow Leopard are on most of the machines I use. The work machine has xp on it but xp and other versions of windows simply aren't nice enough to take home to meet the family in my case.On Tue, 7 Sep 2010, cheez wrote:
> George, I don't mean to sound harsh, but, How?
> Write me off list.
> cheez at cox.net
>
> Vince
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jorge Paez" <jorgeapaez at mac.com>
> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances" <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 6:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Windows versus Mac [was "RE: Question about Talking Scale"]
>
>
>> Christopher:
>> although you may be able to get more powerful hardware, the Mac OS does
>> consume less system resources, and run faster on less powerfull hardware
>> then Windows.
>>
>> And, don't mean to come across as harsh, but rember this is an electronics
>> list, so this topic is fine.
>>
>> Jorge
>>
>> On Sep 7, 2010, at 2:12 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
>> > JAWS isn't going to run on a Mac. A Mac runs its own OS and comes with > its
>> > own screen reader, Voice Over, so you wouldn't need JAWS.
>> > > I personally wouldn't worry about which OS more efficiently uses the > system
>> > resources, since for example, you can get more powerful hardware which > will
>> > run Windows for less than what you could get on a Mac. Instead, I'd look > at
>> > what you want to do, which system would be better suited for that and > other
>> > factors, such as ease of use.
>> > > I'd also suggest taking this discussion to a more appropriate list and > using
>> > more descriptive subject lines.
>> > > > --
>> > Christopher
>> > chaltain at gmail.com
>> > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> > [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Louis Briones
>> > Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 12:43 AM
>> > To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>> > Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Question about Talking Scale
>> > > Hello Everyone
>> > I'm considering switching over from xp to Mac, given the reason that I'm
>> > finding out that Windows is to much of a resource hog, a friend have > mention
>> > > that you don't have to wory about someone getting into ones personal
>> > business. My friend who lives one level below me has mention this with > me
>> > and has been encountering some problems with the windowos system, even
>> > though he doesn't use jaws. My question would jaws 10 or 11 work with > Mac
>> > desk top computers?
>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "cheez" <cheez at cox.net>
>> > To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>> > <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 10:25 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Question about Talking Scale
>> > > > > Reinstall JAWS, Louis.
>> > > Vince
>> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louis Briones" > > <cbandman1949 at surewest.net>
>> > > To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>> > > <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> > > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 7:09 PM
>> > > Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Question about Talking Scale
>> > > > > > > > Hello every one
>> > > > I'm encountering some issue with jaws, to where when going into the
>> > > > system I can't highlite a paticular item that I want to find out > > > about,
>> > > > such as turning on Skype, for some reason that I have to unload jaws > > > and
>> > > > then turn it back on again, then go into the system tray and there I > > > am
>> > > > able to turn on the desire program. I could used to do this without
>> > > > restarting jaws. any help would be deeply appriceated thanks.
>> > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debbi Williamson" > > > <debbi107 at atlanticbb.net>
>> > > > To: "'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'"
>> > > > <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> > > > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 7:00 PM
>> > > > Subject: [Electronics-talk] Question about Talking Scale
>> > > > > > > > > > > Hi, everyone,
>> > > > > > > > > A friend of mine purchased the talking scale you all were talking > > > > about
>> > > > > recently--the one from Independent Living Aids. Somehow, and she
>> > > > > doesn't
>> > > > > know how, she's got it speaking in German and can't figure out how > > > > to
>> > > > > get it
>> > > > > back to English. And, she can't find anything in the instructions > > > > to
>> > > > > help.
>> > > > > Any suggestions? Thanks.
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