[Electronics-talk] Electronics-talk Digest, Vol 58, Issue 19
Johna Lynn Nordin
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Wed Feb 23 20:35:29 UTC 2011
Radio shack has a nice universal remote that is very accessable.
Johna Lynn
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Today's Topics:
1. Recommendations for talking caller id's (John Riehl)
2. Looking for an accessible universal remote control (Jim
Barbour)
3. Re: Looking for an accessible universal remotecontrol (Tony Sohl)
4. TV (louie)
5. Re: TV (fred olver)
6. Re: TV (louie)
7. Re: TV (fred olver)
8. Re: TV (louie)
9. Re: TV (Baracco, Andrew W)
10. Re: TV (Louis R. Briones)
11. Re: TV (Steve Jacobson)
12. Re: TV (Baracco, Andrew W)
13. Re: TV (louie)
14. Re: Mac vs. PC (Jude DaShiell)
15. Re: TV (Jude DaShiell)
16. Re: TV (fred olver)
17. Re: TV (Louis R. Briones)
18. Re: TV (louie)
19. Re: TV (Steve P. Deeley)
20. Re: TV (Jude DaShiell)
21. Re: Recommendations for talking caller id's (mr. Chikodinaka|)
22. Re: Recommendations for talking caller id's (Jeff Samco)
23. NBP-Announce: Calling Android Users! Plus, our Top 5 List
(Tony Grima)
24. Re: Recommendations for talking caller id's (Beverly Hunter)
25. Re: Recommendations for talking caller id's (Baracco, Andrew W)
26. Re: Mac vs. PC (Joe Foster)
27. Re: Mac vs. PC (Jorge Paez)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 13:12:31 -0500
From: "John Riehl" <realman02 at comcast.net>
To: "'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'"
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Subject: [Electronics-talk] Recommendations for talking caller id's
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a friend of mine is in the market for a talking caller ID. Does
anyone have a recommendation for a good, accessible talking caller ID?
John Riehl
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Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Mac vs. PC
I'd be careful making this inference. For example, is this because
people are still making the transition from Windows to the Mac? Also,
what tasks are being done in Windowws versus on the Mac? My
understanding is that the Mac is great for surfing the web, reading
email, listening to media and so on. I haven't heard nearly as much when
it comes to things like office suites. Therefore, it may be perfectly
adequate for the home user but not the complete package for the office user.
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On 2/22/2011 11:03 AM, Baracco, Andrew W wrote:
> I joined a blind Mac users list to get an idea of how functional the Mac
> is for blind users. And, it seems like just about everyone on that list
> uses Windows in addition to the Mac, either by having a separate Windows
> PC, or by using Windows on the same PC, either by using a duel boot
> system, or by running Windows under a virtual machine. Thus one can
> infer that, at least as far as a blind user is concerned, the Mac does
> not afford enough functionality to use it exclusively.
>
> Andy
>
>
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> Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 11:02 AM
> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] mac vs PC
>
> Got a Mac and not going back.
>
> On Feb 19, 2011, at 10:57 AM, Priscilla Garces wrote:
>
>> I'm a totally blind user of both PC and the Mac. At first it took some
> time to really figure out the mac, but now its pretty intuitive. I would
> be flat out lying if I said mac is so easy on the first try, no, not
> really folks; it does take some getting used to the different settings .
> On top of the different way it is set up, the cursor is different on the
> mac than on the PC. on the PC the cursor is to the right of the text,
> but on the mac the cursor is between the 2 letters. for instance, if you
> spelled mac the cursor on windows is to the right of the letter c and on
> the mac the cursor is between the a and c. In windows jaws would be
> saying m a c every time you arrow to the left or right which is more
> accurate when proofreading. On the mac, the cursor is between the
> letters which makes it confusing and you then end up deleting the wrong
> letter, but you can set the cursor to work like windows under the
> preferences for voiceover. It took me a while to figure the settings but
> I can now do that with no problem. The advantage of owning the mac is
> the cost effective solution and the in person technical support you
> receive with added training at there centers whereas windows you have to
> sometimes send out parts of a computer and if you need tech support you
> have to wait a long time especially if you have to deal with jaws and
> it's flukes. besides the in person tech support and servicing of parts
> between both PC and mac, on the PC you can only use the keyboard with
> jaws and thus it takes longer sometimes to complete the needed tasks
> where as on the mac you can use the trackpad as a mouse and you can
> actually press on any part of the trackpad and it will read the text on
> the screen. + navigation with the trackpad is faster and more so if you
> use the keyboard in addition to the mac. Voice over has cool voices and
> are more up to date whereas jaws have the monotone robotic voices which
> makes me personally want to fall asleep when reading tedious amounts of
> documents as a college students. I love alex because his voice is a lot
> more humanlike and has a variety of expression. In that case I would
> just say that you have to decide on what you feel more comfortable. But
> me personally after the mac i'm not looking back except when I work at
> an office using a PC but for personal use, that's a different story.
> What is your view on the use of the Mac verses PC?
>> I'm just curious to know if some of you share the same opinion or have
> something similar.
>> Thank you very much.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Priscilla Garces
>> priscillagarces1987 at hotmail.com
>>
>>
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 10:20:02 -0800
From: Jim Barbour <jbar at barcore.com>
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Subject: [Electronics-talk] Looking for an accessible universal remote
control
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Hey Folks,
I'm looking for an accessible universal remote control to control all
our living room components.
The remote will need to be usable by other (sighted) members of the
household and so should be easy for everyone to use.
It will be programmed by me, so it should be easy for a blind person
to program.
Any suggestions would be warmly appreciated.
Thanks,
Jim
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 11:50:29 -0700
From: "Tony Sohl" <tonysohl at cox.net>
To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
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Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Looking for an accessible universal
remotecontrol
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Hi Jim, Speak to Me Catalog sells an accessible remote and their web site
is:
http://www.speaktomecatalog.com
Their phone number is: 1-800-248-9965. I hope this helps.
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 11:17:19 -0800
From: louie <louiemost at wavecable.com>
To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
<electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [Electronics-talk] TV
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Hi all,
I need to get a new TV. We do not use a cable box. We have a very old TV and
it is time to get a new one.
Do the new TVs have a tuner that works with the old analog signal?
Thank you for any help.
louie
louiemost at wavecable.com
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 14:01:44 -0600
From: "fred olver" <goodfolks at charter.net>
To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
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Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] TV
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Tv stations were required to convert to HD almost two years ago. If you're
old Tv is still working without a digital converter I would be surprised. I
believe that all TV's now produced are only digital.
Fred Olver
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Subject: [Electronics-talk] TV
> Hi all,
> I need to get a new TV. We do not use a cable box. We have a very old TV
> and it is time to get a new one.
> Do the new TVs have a tuner that works with the old analog signal?
> Thank you for any help.
>
>
> louie
> louiemost at wavecable.com
>
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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 12:20:48 -0800
From: louie <louiemost at wavecable.com>
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Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] TV
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I forgot to say we are on cable.
On Feb 22, 2011, at 12:01 PM, fred olver wrote:
> Tv stations were required to convert to HD almost two years ago. If you're
> old Tv is still working without a digital converter I would be surprised.
I
> believe that all TV's now produced are only digital.
>
> Fred Olver
>
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> Subject: [Electronics-talk] TV
>
>
>> Hi all,
>> I need to get a new TV. We do not use a cable box. We have a very old TV
>> and it is time to get a new one.
>> Do the new TVs have a tuner that works with the old analog signal?
>> Thank you for any help.
>>
>>
>> louie
>> louiemost at wavecable.com
>>
>>
>>
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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 14:25:46 -0600
From: "fred olver" <goodfolks at charter.net>
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Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] TV
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And you don't have a cable box???
Fred
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>I forgot to say we are on cable.
>
> On Feb 22, 2011, at 12:01 PM, fred olver wrote:
>
>> Tv stations were required to convert to HD almost two years ago. If
>> you're
>> old Tv is still working without a digital converter I would be surprised.
>> I
>> believe that all TV's now produced are only digital.
>>
>> Fred Olver
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "louie" <louiemost at wavecable.com>
>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 1:17 PM
>> Subject: [Electronics-talk] TV
>>
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> I need to get a new TV. We do not use a cable box. We have a very old TV
>>> and it is time to get a new one.
>>> Do the new TVs have a tuner that works with the old analog signal?
>>> Thank you for any help.
>>>
>>>
>>> louie
>>> louiemost at wavecable.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 12:30:58 -0800
From: louie <louiemost at wavecable.com>
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Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] TV
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No cable box.
On Feb 22, 2011, at 12:25 PM, fred olver wrote:
> And you don't have a cable box???
>
> Fred
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>
>> I forgot to say we are on cable.
>>
>> On Feb 22, 2011, at 12:01 PM, fred olver wrote:
>>
>>> Tv stations were required to convert to HD almost two years ago. If
>>> you're
>>> old Tv is still working without a digital converter I would be
surprised.
>>> I
>>> believe that all TV's now produced are only digital.
>>>
>>> Fred Olver
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "louie" <louiemost at wavecable.com>
>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 1:17 PM
>>> Subject: [Electronics-talk] TV
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> I need to get a new TV. We do not use a cable box. We have a very old
TV
>>>> and it is time to get a new one.
>>>> Do the new TVs have a tuner that works with the old analog signal?
>>>> Thank you for any help.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> louie
>>>> louiemost at wavecable.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 12:42:08 -0800
From: "Baracco, Andrew W" <Andrew.Baracco at va.gov>
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Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] TV
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A digital TV will probably negate the need for a cable box, at least for
first tier cable service. You most likely won't need a box unless you
want premium channels. I have Time Warner Cable, and I have an old
analogue set plugged into the naked cable, without any kind of a box.
It will pick up about 75 channels. However, about 3 weeks ago, it
stopped picking up TWC's analogue broadcast of our local PBS station,
and now I can only watch it on a digital set. I was told that within
two years the cable companies will no longer broadcast analogue
channels, and your analogue set will be basically a brick, and you will
need either a digital set or a cable box even if you are using cable. I
believe the 2009 law does allow for analogue sets below a certain screen
size, I believe 20 inches, but I have not seen analogue sets in our
local Best Buy store in a long time.
Andy
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Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 12:21 PM
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Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] TV
I forgot to say we are on cable.
On Feb 22, 2011, at 12:01 PM, fred olver wrote:
> Tv stations were required to convert to HD almost two years ago. If
you're
> old Tv is still working without a digital converter I would be
surprised. I
> believe that all TV's now produced are only digital.
>
> Fred Olver
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "louie" <louiemost at wavecable.com>
> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 1:17 PM
> Subject: [Electronics-talk] TV
>
>
>> Hi all,
>> I need to get a new TV. We do not use a cable box. We have a very old
TV
>> and it is time to get a new one.
>> Do the new TVs have a tuner that works with the old analog signal?
>> Thank you for any help.
>>
>>
>> louie
>> louiemost at wavecable.com
>>
>>
>>
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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 12:59:55 -0800
From: "Louis R. Briones" <cbandman1949 at surewest.net>
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Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] TV
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The person who is interest in aquire Set top box for his TV would have to
go to Fry's and there is a chance he could find one for any analog TV.
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Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] TV
> Tv stations were required to convert to HD almost two years ago. If you're
> old Tv is still working without a digital converter I would be surprised.
> I believe that all TV's now produced are only digital.
>
> Fred Olver
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
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> Subject: [Electronics-talk] TV
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>
>> Hi all,
>> I need to get a new TV. We do not use a cable box. We have a very old TV
>> and it is time to get a new one.
>> Do the new TVs have a tuner that works with the old analog signal?
>> Thank you for any help.
>>
>>
>> louie
>> louiemost at wavecable.com
>>
>>
>>
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 15:59:00 -0600
From: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
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Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] TV
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Fred,
I am pretty sure that the new TV's still receive analog, though, as there is
still low-power analog around. However, finding analog signals is not easy.
Even
cable systems are converting, so I'm curious what sort of signals he is
getting..
Best regards,
Steve Jacobson
On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 14:01:44 -0600, fred olver wrote:
>Tv stations were required to convert to HD almost two years ago. If you're
>old Tv is still working without a digital converter I would be surprised. I
>believe that all TV's now produced are only digital.
>Fred Olver
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "louie" <louiemost at wavecable.com>
>To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
><electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 1:17 PM
>Subject: [Electronics-talk] TV
>> Hi all,
>> I need to get a new TV. We do not use a cable box. We have a very old TV
>> and it is time to get a new one.
>> Do the new TVs have a tuner that works with the old analog signal?
>> Thank you for any help.
>>
>>
>> louie
>> louiemost at wavecable.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 14:12:19 -0800
From: "Baracco, Andrew W" <Andrew.Baracco at va.gov>
To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
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Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] TV
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The cable systems are still broadcasting a lot of analogue. Don't know
for how much longer.
Andy
-----Original Message-----
From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 1:59 PM
To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] TV
Fred,
I am pretty sure that the new TV's still receive analog, though, as
there is still low-power analog around. However, finding analog signals
is not easy. Even
cable systems are converting, so I'm curious what sort of signals he is
getting..
Best regards,
Steve Jacobson
On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 14:01:44 -0600, fred olver wrote:
>Tv stations were required to convert to HD almost two years ago. If
you're
>old Tv is still working without a digital converter I would be
surprised. I
>believe that all TV's now produced are only digital.
>Fred Olver
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "louie" <louiemost at wavecable.com>
>To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
><electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 1:17 PM
>Subject: [Electronics-talk] TV
>> Hi all,
>> I need to get a new TV. We do not use a cable box. We have a very old
TV
>> and it is time to get a new one.
>> Do the new TVs have a tuner that works with the old analog signal?
>> Thank you for any help.
>>
>>
>> louie
>> louiemost at wavecable.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 14:16:17 -0800
From: louie <louiemost at wavecable.com>
To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
<electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] TV
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Just called my cable system wave cable. Thay said no plans to drop analog.
On Feb 22, 2011, at 2:12 PM, Baracco, Andrew W wrote:
> The cable systems are still broadcasting a lot of analogue. Don't know
> for how much longer.
>
> Andy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson
> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 1:59 PM
> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] TV
>
> Fred,
>
> I am pretty sure that the new TV's still receive analog, though, as
> there is still low-power analog around. However, finding analog signals
> is not easy. Even
> cable systems are converting, so I'm curious what sort of signals he is
> getting..
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
> On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 14:01:44 -0600, fred olver wrote:
>
>> Tv stations were required to convert to HD almost two years ago. If
> you're
>> old Tv is still working without a digital converter I would be
> surprised. I
>> believe that all TV's now produced are only digital.
>
>> Fred Olver
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "louie" <louiemost at wavecable.com>
>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 1:17 PM
>> Subject: [Electronics-talk] TV
>
>
>>> Hi all,
>>> I need to get a new TV. We do not use a cable box. We have a very old
> TV
>>> and it is time to get a new one.
>>> Do the new TVs have a tuner that works with the old analog signal?
>>> Thank you for any help.
>>>
>>>
>>> louie
>>> louiemost at wavecable.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:36:48 -0500 (EST)
From: Jude DaShiell <jdashiel at shellworld.net>
To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
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Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Mac vs. PC
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One of the other members of blind-l asked Microsoft Accessibility why
Microsoft's mac suite products continue to be inaccessible and was told
that Microsoft Accessibility could not go over into that other division
and tell those programmers how to do programming. Apparently Microsoft
Accessibility's charter is strictly limited to the Windows product line.
On Tue, 22 Feb 2011, Jim Barbour wrote:
> One thing that is not accessible on the Mac is the Microsoft suite of
> products. There are a few substitutes, but none of them is perfect,
> especially in a collaborative environment, where you need to be able
> to make surgical changes to a document, without the rest of the
> document changing.
>
> Jim
>
> On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 12:52:18PM -0500, Jorge Paez wrote:
> > Andy:
> > It depends.
> > There are some stuff--such as gaming (yes, there are games accessible
for the blind),
> > and such at which Winodws has a better chance simply because its more
open.
> >
> > But, Mac can serve any and all basic needs as an exclusive system.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Feb 22, 2011, at 12:03 PM, Baracco, Andrew W wrote:
> >
> > > I joined a blind Mac users list to get an idea of how functional the
Mac
> > > is for blind users. And, it seems like just about everyone on that
list
> > > uses Windows in addition to the Mac, either by having a separate
Windows
> > > PC, or by using Windows on the same PC, either by using a duel boot
> > > system, or by running Windows under a virtual machine. Thus one can
> > > infer that, at least as far as a blind user is concerned, the Mac does
> > > not afford enough functionality to use it exclusively.
> > >
> > > Andy
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> > > [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of louie
> > > Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 11:02 AM
> > > To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
> > > Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] mac vs PC
> > >
> > > Got a Mac and not going back.
> > >
> > > On Feb 19, 2011, at 10:57 AM, Priscilla Garces wrote:
> > >
> > >> I'm a totally blind user of both PC and the Mac. At first it took
some
> > > time to really figure out the mac, but now its pretty intuitive. I
would
> > > be flat out lying if I said mac is so easy on the first try, no, not
> > > really folks; it does take some getting used to the different settings
.
> > > On top of the different way it is set up, the cursor is different on
the
> > > mac than on the PC. on the PC the cursor is to the right of the text,
> > > but on the mac the cursor is between the 2 letters. for instance, if
you
> > > spelled mac the cursor on windows is to the right of the letter c and
on
> > > the mac the cursor is between the a and c. In windows jaws would be
> > > saying m a c every time you arrow to the left or right which is more
> > > accurate when proofreading. On the mac, the cursor is between the
> > > letters which makes it confusing and you then end up deleting the
wrong
> > > letter, but you can set the cursor to work like windows under the
> > > preferences for voiceover. It took me a while to figure the settings
but
> > > I can now do that with no problem. The advantage of owning the mac is
> > > the cost effective solution and the in person technical support you
> > > receive with added training at there centers whereas windows you have
to
> > > sometimes send out parts of a computer and if you need tech support
you
> > > have to wait a long time especially if you have to deal with jaws and
> > > it's flukes. besides the in person tech support and servicing of parts
> > > between both PC and mac, on the PC you can only use the keyboard with
> > > jaws and thus it takes longer sometimes to complete the needed tasks
> > > where as on the mac you can use the trackpad as a mouse and you can
> > > actually press on any part of the trackpad and it will read the text
on
> > > the screen. + navigation with the trackpad is faster and more so if
you
> > > use the keyboard in addition to the mac. Voice over has cool voices
and
> > > are more up to date whereas jaws have the monotone robotic voices
which
> > > makes me personally want to fall asleep when reading tedious amounts
of
> > > documents as a college students. I love alex because his voice is a
lot
> > > more humanlike and has a variety of expression. In that case I would
> > > just say that you have to decide on what you feel more comfortable.
But
> > > me personally after the mac i'm not looking back except when I work at
> > > an office using a PC but for personal use, that's a different story.
> > > What is your view on the use of the Mac verses PC?
> > >> I'm just curious to know if some of you share the same opinion or
have
> > > something similar.
> > >>
> > >> Thank you very much.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Priscilla Garces
> > >> priscillagarces1987 at hotmail.com
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
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> > > louiemost at wavecable.com
> > >
> > >
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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:56:46 -0500 (EST)
From: Jude DaShiell <jdashiel at shellworld.net>
To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
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Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] TV
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I understand the 2nd tier cable providers which is all of them except for
the five largest providers inthe United States will not be required to
provide accessible cable boxes which for the leaders will make on demand
TV services accessible. I'm wondering if it would even be worth trying to
use my IPhone to scan the on demand menu and perhaps get some legible
results back from the IPhone. That menu probably doesn't change though
items on submenus will.
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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:04:27 -0600
From: "fred olver" <goodfolks at charter.net>
To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
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Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] TV
Message-ID: <330EB341DA234D39BD4CB9D4B7E132B5 at fredspc>
Well, I would be surprised if there are any analogue sig's around, though I
guess stations could broadcast both, however I thought those frequencies
were supposed to be allocated for other services.
Fred Olver
----- Original Message -----
From: "Baracco, Andrew W" <Andrew.Baracco at va.gov>
To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
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Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] TV
> The cable systems are still broadcasting a lot of analogue. Don't know
> for how much longer.
>
> Andy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson
> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 1:59 PM
> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] TV
>
> Fred,
>
> I am pretty sure that the new TV's still receive analog, though, as
> there is still low-power analog around. However, finding analog signals
> is not easy. Even
> cable systems are converting, so I'm curious what sort of signals he is
> getting..
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
> On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 14:01:44 -0600, fred olver wrote:
>
>>Tv stations were required to convert to HD almost two years ago. If
> you're
>>old Tv is still working without a digital converter I would be
> surprised. I
>>believe that all TV's now produced are only digital.
>
>>Fred Olver
>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "louie" <louiemost at wavecable.com>
>>To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>><electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 1:17 PM
>>Subject: [Electronics-talk] TV
>
>
>>> Hi all,
>>> I need to get a new TV. We do not use a cable box. We have a very old
> TV
>>> and it is time to get a new one.
>>> Do the new TVs have a tuner that works with the old analog signal?
>>> Thank you for any help.
>>>
>>>
>>> louie
>>> louiemost at wavecable.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 15:36:31 -0800
From: "Louis R. Briones" <cbandman1949 at surewest.net>
To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
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Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] TV
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>From what I have been hearing as far back from 2007 that the cable
companies
are suppose to go completely digital transmission by the year 2012 and that
the folks with their present cable boxes are suppose to surrender their old
boxes.
I myself whent via antenna over the air with most of the local channels that
I like having due to the outstanding sound quality, which is much better
then receiving a quam signal, which most cable providers are delivering
right now.Most of the stuff is all repeated material for the most part, and
I can receive most of the same programing from my local channels of which I
don't have to pay for saving me $59.95 per month. Then there is the fact
with over the air reception, when in a good area the television signal
originating from the local channels are more line of site, then coming
through a cable system with the quality being 95% quality.
----- Original Message -----
From: "fred olver" <goodfolks at charter.net>
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Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] TV
> Well, I would be surprised if there are any analogue sig's around, though
> I guess stations could broadcast both, however I thought those frequencies
> were supposed to be allocated for other services.
>
> Fred Olver
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Baracco, Andrew W" <Andrew.Baracco at va.gov>
> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 4:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] TV
>
>
>> The cable systems are still broadcasting a lot of analogue. Don't know
>> for how much longer.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 1:59 PM
>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] TV
>>
>> Fred,
>>
>> I am pretty sure that the new TV's still receive analog, though, as
>> there is still low-power analog around. However, finding analog signals
>> is not easy. Even
>> cable systems are converting, so I'm curious what sort of signals he is
>> getting..
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Steve Jacobson
>>
>> On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 14:01:44 -0600, fred olver wrote:
>>
>>>Tv stations were required to convert to HD almost two years ago. If
>> you're
>>>old Tv is still working without a digital converter I would be
>> surprised. I
>>>believe that all TV's now produced are only digital.
>>
>>>Fred Olver
>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "louie" <louiemost at wavecable.com>
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>>><electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 1:17 PM
>>>Subject: [Electronics-talk] TV
>>
>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> I need to get a new TV. We do not use a cable box. We have a very old
>> TV
>>>> and it is time to get a new one.
>>>> Do the new TVs have a tuner that works with the old analog signal?
>>>> Thank you for any help.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> louie
>>>> louiemost at wavecable.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 16:13:31 -0800
From: louie <louiemost at wavecable.com>
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Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] TV
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I still get analog TV signals from Canada.
On Feb 22, 2011, at 3:04 PM, fred olver wrote:
> Well, I would be surprised if there are any analogue sig's around, though
I
> guess stations could broadcast both, however I thought those frequencies
> were supposed to be allocated for other services.
>
> Fred Olver
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Baracco, Andrew W" <Andrew.Baracco at va.gov>
> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 4:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] TV
>
>
>> The cable systems are still broadcasting a lot of analogue. Don't know
>> for how much longer.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 1:59 PM
>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] TV
>>
>> Fred,
>>
>> I am pretty sure that the new TV's still receive analog, though, as
>> there is still low-power analog around. However, finding analog signals
>> is not easy. Even
>> cable systems are converting, so I'm curious what sort of signals he is
>> getting..
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Steve Jacobson
>>
>> On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 14:01:44 -0600, fred olver wrote:
>>
>>> Tv stations were required to convert to HD almost two years ago. If
>> you're
>>> old Tv is still working without a digital converter I would be
>> surprised. I
>>> believe that all TV's now produced are only digital.
>>
>>> Fred Olver
>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "louie" <louiemost at wavecable.com>
>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 1:17 PM
>>> Subject: [Electronics-talk] TV
>>
>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> I need to get a new TV. We do not use a cable box. We have a very old
>> TV
>>>> and it is time to get a new one.
>>>> Do the new TVs have a tuner that works with the old analog signal?
>>>> Thank you for any help.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> louie
>>>> louiemost at wavecable.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Message: 19
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 19:37:52 -0500
From: "Steve P. Deeley" <stevep.deeley at insightbb.com>
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Does any cable company have an accessible box?
Steve
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Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 5:56 PM
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>I understand the 2nd tier cable providers which is all of them except for
> the five largest providers inthe United States will not be required to
> provide accessible cable boxes which for the leaders will make on demand
> TV services accessible. I'm wondering if it would even be worth trying to
> use my IPhone to scan the on demand menu and perhaps get some legible
> results back from the IPhone. That menu probably doesn't change though
> items on submenus will.
>
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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 20:10:02 -0500 (EST)
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Not yet in America but in England yes. American cable companies are
either going to have to import or find a manufacturer here I think by 2012
to make all of this happen. I read about the accessible cable box a while
back on the access-l email list.On Tue, 22 Feb 2011, Steve P. Deeley
wrote:
> Does any cable company have an accessible box?
> Steve
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jude DaShiell"
<jdashiel at shellworld.net>
> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 5:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] TV
>
>
> >I understand the 2nd tier cable providers which is all of them except for
> > the five largest providers inthe United States will not be required to
> > provide accessible cable boxes which for the leaders will make on demand
> > TV services accessible. I'm wondering if it would even be worth trying
to
> > use my IPhone to scan the on demand menu and perhaps get some legible
> > results back from the IPhone. That menu probably doesn't change though
> > items on submenus will.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 22:53:36 -0500
From: "mr. Chikodinaka|" <chikodinaka09021982 at gmail.com>
To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
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Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Recommendations for talking caller
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On 2/22/11, John Riehl <realman02 at comcast.net> wrote:
> a friend of mine is in the market for a talking caller ID. Does
> anyone have a recommendation for a good, accessible talking caller ID?
>
>
> John Riehl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Christopher
> Chaltain
> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 12:34 PM
> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Mac vs. PC
>
> I'd be careful making this inference. For example, is this because
> people are still making the transition from Windows to the Mac? Also,
> what tasks are being done in Windowws versus on the Mac? My
> understanding is that the Mac is great for surfing the web, reading
> email, listening to media and so on. I haven't heard nearly as much when
> it comes to things like office suites. Therefore, it may be perfectly
> adequate for the home user but not the complete package for the office
user.
>
> --
>
> Christopher
> chaltain at gmail.com
>
>
> On 2/22/2011 11:03 AM, Baracco, Andrew W wrote:
>> I joined a blind Mac users list to get an idea of how functional the Mac
>> is for blind users. And, it seems like just about everyone on that list
>> uses Windows in addition to the Mac, either by having a separate Windows
>> PC, or by using Windows on the same PC, either by using a duel boot
>> system, or by running Windows under a virtual machine. Thus one can
>> infer that, at least as far as a blind user is concerned, the Mac does
>> not afford enough functionality to use it exclusively.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of louie
>> Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 11:02 AM
>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] mac vs PC
>>
>> Got a Mac and not going back.
>>
>> On Feb 19, 2011, at 10:57 AM, Priscilla Garces wrote:
>>
>>> I'm a totally blind user of both PC and the Mac. At first it took some
>> time to really figure out the mac, but now its pretty intuitive. I would
>> be flat out lying if I said mac is so easy on the first try, no, not
>> really folks; it does take some getting used to the different settings .
>> On top of the different way it is set up, the cursor is different on the
>> mac than on the PC. on the PC the cursor is to the right of the text,
>> but on the mac the cursor is between the 2 letters. for instance, if you
>> spelled mac the cursor on windows is to the right of the letter c and on
>> the mac the cursor is between the a and c. In windows jaws would be
>> saying m a c every time you arrow to the left or right which is more
>> accurate when proofreading. On the mac, the cursor is between the
>> letters which makes it confusing and you then end up deleting the wrong
>> letter, but you can set the cursor to work like windows under the
>> preferences for voiceover. It took me a while to figure the settings but
>> I can now do that with no problem. The advantage of owning the mac is
>> the cost effective solution and the in person technical support you
>> receive with added training at there centers whereas windows you have to
>> sometimes send out parts of a computer and if you need tech support you
>> have to wait a long time especially if you have to deal with jaws and
>> it's flukes. besides the in person tech support and servicing of parts
>> between both PC and mac, on the PC you can only use the keyboard with
>> jaws and thus it takes longer sometimes to complete the needed tasks
>> where as on the mac you can use the trackpad as a mouse and you can
>> actually press on any part of the trackpad and it will read the text on
>> the screen. + navigation with the trackpad is faster and more so if you
>> use the keyboard in addition to the mac. Voice over has cool voices and
>> are more up to date whereas jaws have the monotone robotic voices which
>> makes me personally want to fall asleep when reading tedious amounts of
>> documents as a college students. I love alex because his voice is a lot
>> more humanlike and has a variety of expression. In that case I would
>> just say that you have to decide on what you feel more comfortable. But
>> me personally after the mac i'm not looking back except when I work at
>> an office using a PC but for personal use, that's a different story.
>> What is your view on the use of the Mac verses PC?
>>> I'm just curious to know if some of you share the same opinion or have
>> something similar.
>>> Thank you very much.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Priscilla Garces
>>> priscillagarces1987 at hotmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Message: 22
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 22:24:54 -0800
From: Jeff Samco <jsamco at jps.net>
To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
<electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Recommendations for talking caller
id's
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The Classco 9900 is a stand-alone talking caller ID. I have one and
it is plenty accessible enough once someone helps one identify the 4
buttons and the menu structure. I really only use the first menu item
which allows me to audibly review recent calls. Otherwise, it
automatically announces incoming calls by their 10 digit number. It
is easy to add a voice tag to any particular number so it gets
announced instead of the number. I saw them recently for about $35 to $40.
HTH,
Jeff
At 10:12 AM 2/22/2011, you wrote:
> a friend of mine is in the market for a talking caller ID. Does
>anyone have a recommendation for a good, accessible talking caller ID?
>
>
>John Riehl
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>[mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Christopher
>Chaltain
>Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 12:34 PM
>To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Mac vs. PC
>
>I'd be careful making this inference. For example, is this because
>people are still making the transition from Windows to the Mac? Also,
>what tasks are being done in Windowws versus on the Mac? My
>understanding is that the Mac is great for surfing the web, reading
>email, listening to media and so on. I haven't heard nearly as much when
>it comes to things like office suites. Therefore, it may be perfectly
>adequate for the home user but not the complete package for the office
user.
>
>--
>
>Christopher
>chaltain at gmail.com
>
>
>On 2/22/2011 11:03 AM, Baracco, Andrew W wrote:
> > I joined a blind Mac users list to get an idea of how functional the Mac
> > is for blind users. And, it seems like just about everyone on that list
> > uses Windows in addition to the Mac, either by having a separate Windows
> > PC, or by using Windows on the same PC, either by using a duel boot
> > system, or by running Windows under a virtual machine. Thus one can
> > infer that, at least as far as a blind user is concerned, the Mac does
> > not afford enough functionality to use it exclusively.
> >
> > Andy
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> > [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of louie
> > Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 11:02 AM
> > To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
> > Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] mac vs PC
> >
> > Got a Mac and not going back.
> >
> > On Feb 19, 2011, at 10:57 AM, Priscilla Garces wrote:
> >
> >> I'm a totally blind user of both PC and the Mac. At first it took some
> > time to really figure out the mac, but now its pretty intuitive. I would
> > be flat out lying if I said mac is so easy on the first try, no, not
> > really folks; it does take some getting used to the different settings .
> > On top of the different way it is set up, the cursor is different on the
> > mac than on the PC. on the PC the cursor is to the right of the text,
> > but on the mac the cursor is between the 2 letters. for instance, if you
> > spelled mac the cursor on windows is to the right of the letter c and on
> > the mac the cursor is between the a and c. In windows jaws would be
> > saying m a c every time you arrow to the left or right which is more
> > accurate when proofreading. On the mac, the cursor is between the
> > letters which makes it confusing and you then end up deleting the wrong
> > letter, but you can set the cursor to work like windows under the
> > preferences for voiceover. It took me a while to figure the settings but
> > I can now do that with no problem. The advantage of owning the mac is
> > the cost effective solution and the in person technical support you
> > receive with added training at there centers whereas windows you have to
> > sometimes send out parts of a computer and if you need tech support you
> > have to wait a long time especially if you have to deal with jaws and
> > it's flukes. besides the in person tech support and servicing of parts
> > between both PC and mac, on the PC you can only use the keyboard with
> > jaws and thus it takes longer sometimes to complete the needed tasks
> > where as on the mac you can use the trackpad as a mouse and you can
> > actually press on any part of the trackpad and it will read the text on
> > the screen. + navigation with the trackpad is faster and more so if you
> > use the keyboard in addition to the mac. Voice over has cool voices and
> > are more up to date whereas jaws have the monotone robotic voices which
> > makes me personally want to fall asleep when reading tedious amounts of
> > documents as a college students. I love alex because his voice is a lot
> > more humanlike and has a variety of expression. In that case I would
> > just say that you have to decide on what you feel more comfortable. But
> > me personally after the mac i'm not looking back except when I work at
> > an office using a PC but for personal use, that's a different story.
> > What is your view on the use of the Mac verses PC?
> >> I'm just curious to know if some of you share the same opinion or have
> > something similar.
> >> Thank you very much.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Priscilla Garces
> >> priscillagarces1987 at hotmail.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 08:37:39 -0500
From: "Beverly Hunter" <bhunter at nfbga.org>
To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
<electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Recommendations for talking caller
id's
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Is there one that announces names as they appear in the phone directory?
----- Original Message -----
From: "mr. Chikodinaka|" <chikodinaka09021982 at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
<electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 10:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Recommendations for talking caller id's
On 2/22/11, John Riehl <realman02 at comcast.net> wrote:
> a friend of mine is in the market for a talking caller ID. Does
> anyone have a recommendation for a good, accessible talking caller ID?
>
>
> John Riehl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Christopher
> Chaltain
> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 12:34 PM
> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Mac vs. PC
>
> I'd be careful making this inference. For example, is this because
> people are still making the transition from Windows to the Mac? Also,
> what tasks are being done in Windowws versus on the Mac? My
> understanding is that the Mac is great for surfing the web, reading
> email, listening to media and so on. I haven't heard nearly as much when
> it comes to things like office suites. Therefore, it may be perfectly
> adequate for the home user but not the complete package for the office
> user.
>
> --
>
> Christopher
> chaltain at gmail.com
>
>
> On 2/22/2011 11:03 AM, Baracco, Andrew W wrote:
>> I joined a blind Mac users list to get an idea of how functional the Mac
>> is for blind users. And, it seems like just about everyone on that list
>> uses Windows in addition to the Mac, either by having a separate Windows
>> PC, or by using Windows on the same PC, either by using a duel boot
>> system, or by running Windows under a virtual machine. Thus one can
>> infer that, at least as far as a blind user is concerned, the Mac does
>> not afford enough functionality to use it exclusively.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of louie
>> Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 11:02 AM
>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] mac vs PC
>>
>> Got a Mac and not going back.
>>
>> On Feb 19, 2011, at 10:57 AM, Priscilla Garces wrote:
>>
>>> I'm a totally blind user of both PC and the Mac. At first it took some
>> time to really figure out the mac, but now its pretty intuitive. I would
>> be flat out lying if I said mac is so easy on the first try, no, not
>> really folks; it does take some getting used to the different settings .
>> On top of the different way it is set up, the cursor is different on the
>> mac than on the PC. on the PC the cursor is to the right of the text,
>> but on the mac the cursor is between the 2 letters. for instance, if you
>> spelled mac the cursor on windows is to the right of the letter c and on
>> the mac the cursor is between the a and c. In windows jaws would be
>> saying m a c every time you arrow to the left or right which is more
>> accurate when proofreading. On the mac, the cursor is between the
>> letters which makes it confusing and you then end up deleting the wrong
>> letter, but you can set the cursor to work like windows under the
>> preferences for voiceover. It took me a while to figure the settings but
>> I can now do that with no problem. The advantage of owning the mac is
>> the cost effective solution and the in person technical support you
>> receive with added training at there centers whereas windows you have to
>> sometimes send out parts of a computer and if you need tech support you
>> have to wait a long time especially if you have to deal with jaws and
>> it's flukes. besides the in person tech support and servicing of parts
>> between both PC and mac, on the PC you can only use the keyboard with
>> jaws and thus it takes longer sometimes to complete the needed tasks
>> where as on the mac you can use the trackpad as a mouse and you can
>> actually press on any part of the trackpad and it will read the text on
>> the screen. + navigation with the trackpad is faster and more so if you
>> use the keyboard in addition to the mac. Voice over has cool voices and
>> are more up to date whereas jaws have the monotone robotic voices which
>> makes me personally want to fall asleep when reading tedious amounts of
>> documents as a college students. I love alex because his voice is a lot
>> more humanlike and has a variety of expression. In that case I would
>> just say that you have to decide on what you feel more comfortable. But
>> me personally after the mac i'm not looking back except when I work at
>> an office using a PC but for personal use, that's a different story.
>> What is your view on the use of the Mac verses PC?
>>> I'm just curious to know if some of you share the same opinion or have
>> something similar.
>>> Thank you very much.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Priscilla Garces
>>> priscillagarces1987 at hotmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>> louiemost at wavecable.com
>>
>>
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Message: 25
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 08:49:14 -0800
From: "Baracco, Andrew W" <Andrew.Baracco at va.gov>
To: "Beverly Hunter" <bhunter at nfbga.org>, "Discussion of accessible
electronics and appliances" <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Recommendations for talking caller
id's
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The Panasonic cordless phones with talking caller ID will do that.
Andy
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From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Beverly Hunter
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 5:38 AM
To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Recommendations for talking caller id's
Is there one that announces names as they appear in the phone directory?
----- Original Message -----
From: "mr. Chikodinaka|" <chikodinaka09021982 at gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
<electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 10:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Recommendations for talking caller id's
On 2/22/11, John Riehl <realman02 at comcast.net> wrote:
> a friend of mine is in the market for a talking caller ID. Does
> anyone have a recommendation for a good, accessible talking caller ID?
>
>
> John Riehl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Christopher
> Chaltain
> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 12:34 PM
> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Mac vs. PC
>
> I'd be careful making this inference. For example, is this because
> people are still making the transition from Windows to the Mac? Also,
> what tasks are being done in Windowws versus on the Mac? My
> understanding is that the Mac is great for surfing the web, reading
> email, listening to media and so on. I haven't heard nearly as much
when
> it comes to things like office suites. Therefore, it may be perfectly
> adequate for the home user but not the complete package for the office
> user.
>
> --
>
> Christopher
> chaltain at gmail.com
>
>
> On 2/22/2011 11:03 AM, Baracco, Andrew W wrote:
>> I joined a blind Mac users list to get an idea of how functional the
Mac
>> is for blind users. And, it seems like just about everyone on that
list
>> uses Windows in addition to the Mac, either by having a separate
Windows
>> PC, or by using Windows on the same PC, either by using a duel boot
>> system, or by running Windows under a virtual machine. Thus one can
>> infer that, at least as far as a blind user is concerned, the Mac
does
>> not afford enough functionality to use it exclusively.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of louie
>> Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 11:02 AM
>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] mac vs PC
>>
>> Got a Mac and not going back.
>>
>> On Feb 19, 2011, at 10:57 AM, Priscilla Garces wrote:
>>
>>> I'm a totally blind user of both PC and the Mac. At first it took
some
>> time to really figure out the mac, but now its pretty intuitive. I
would
>> be flat out lying if I said mac is so easy on the first try, no, not
>> really folks; it does take some getting used to the different
settings .
>> On top of the different way it is set up, the cursor is different on
the
>> mac than on the PC. on the PC the cursor is to the right of the text,
>> but on the mac the cursor is between the 2 letters. for instance, if
you
>> spelled mac the cursor on windows is to the right of the letter c and
on
>> the mac the cursor is between the a and c. In windows jaws would be
>> saying m a c every time you arrow to the left or right which is more
>> accurate when proofreading. On the mac, the cursor is between the
>> letters which makes it confusing and you then end up deleting the
wrong
>> letter, but you can set the cursor to work like windows under the
>> preferences for voiceover. It took me a while to figure the settings
but
>> I can now do that with no problem. The advantage of owning the mac is
>> the cost effective solution and the in person technical support you
>> receive with added training at there centers whereas windows you have
to
>> sometimes send out parts of a computer and if you need tech support
you
>> have to wait a long time especially if you have to deal with jaws and
>> it's flukes. besides the in person tech support and servicing of
parts
>> between both PC and mac, on the PC you can only use the keyboard with
>> jaws and thus it takes longer sometimes to complete the needed tasks
>> where as on the mac you can use the trackpad as a mouse and you can
>> actually press on any part of the trackpad and it will read the text
on
>> the screen. + navigation with the trackpad is faster and more so if
you
>> use the keyboard in addition to the mac. Voice over has cool voices
and
>> are more up to date whereas jaws have the monotone robotic voices
which
>> makes me personally want to fall asleep when reading tedious amounts
of
>> documents as a college students. I love alex because his voice is a
lot
>> more humanlike and has a variety of expression. In that case I would
>> just say that you have to decide on what you feel more comfortable.
But
>> me personally after the mac i'm not looking back except when I work
at
>> an office using a PC but for personal use, that's a different story.
>> What is your view on the use of the Mac verses PC?
>>> I'm just curious to know if some of you share the same opinion or
have
>> something similar.
>>> Thank you very much.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Priscilla Garces
>>> priscillagarces1987 at hotmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>> louiemost at wavecable.com
>>
>>
>>
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Message: 26
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 12:17:39 -0500
From: "Joe Foster" <joseph.foster at gmail.com>
To: "'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'"
<electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Mac vs. PC
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I am one of those with both systems on my new Apple. I am finding the new MS
software a big step backwards with respect to accessibility but have chosen
to use it as my key tool simply because I have been using MS and JAWS since
the days of DOS.
I am aware that Apple is more intuitive in many areas and plan to move
towards their tools slowly so that my work is not slowed down in the
process.
Welcome comments from others.
Joe
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From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Baracco, Andrew W
Sent: 22-Feb-11 12:03 PM
To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Mac vs. PC
I joined a blind Mac users list to get an idea of how functional the Mac
is for blind users. And, it seems like just about everyone on that list
uses Windows in addition to the Mac, either by having a separate Windows
PC, or by using Windows on the same PC, either by using a duel boot
system, or by running Windows under a virtual machine. Thus one can
infer that, at least as far as a blind user is concerned, the Mac does
not afford enough functionality to use it exclusively.
Andy
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From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of louie
Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 11:02 AM
To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] mac vs PC
Got a Mac and not going back.
On Feb 19, 2011, at 10:57 AM, Priscilla Garces wrote:
> I'm a totally blind user of both PC and the Mac. At first it took some
time to really figure out the mac, but now its pretty intuitive. I would
be flat out lying if I said mac is so easy on the first try, no, not
really folks; it does take some getting used to the different settings .
On top of the different way it is set up, the cursor is different on the
mac than on the PC. on the PC the cursor is to the right of the text,
but on the mac the cursor is between the 2 letters. for instance, if you
spelled mac the cursor on windows is to the right of the letter c and on
the mac the cursor is between the a and c. In windows jaws would be
saying m a c every time you arrow to the left or right which is more
accurate when proofreading. On the mac, the cursor is between the
letters which makes it confusing and you then end up deleting the wrong
letter, but you can set the cursor to work like windows under the
preferences for voiceover. It took me a while to figure the settings but
I can now do that with no problem. The advantage of owning the mac is
the cost effective solution and the in person technical support you
receive with added training at there centers whereas windows you have to
sometimes send out parts of a computer and if you need tech support you
have to wait a long time especially if you have to deal with jaws and
it's flukes. besides the in person tech support and servicing of parts
between both PC and mac, on the PC you can only use the keyboard with
jaws and thus it takes longer sometimes to complete the needed tasks
where as on the mac you can use the trackpad as a mouse and you can
actually press on any part of the trackpad and it will read the text on
the screen. + navigation with the trackpad is faster and more so if you
use the keyboard in addition to the mac. Voice over has cool voices and
are more up to date whereas jaws have the monotone robotic voices which
makes me personally want to fall asleep when reading tedious amounts of
documents as a college students. I love alex because his voice is a lot
more humanlike and has a variety of expression. In that case I would
just say that you have to decide on what you feel more comfortable. But
me personally after the mac i'm not looking back except when I work at
an office using a PC but for personal use, that's a different story.
What is your view on the use of the Mac verses PC?
> I'm just curious to know if some of you share the same opinion or have
something similar.
>
> Thank you very much.
>
>
>
>
> Priscilla Garces
> priscillagarces1987 at hotmail.com
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 12:23:10 -0500
From: Jorge Paez <jorgeapaez at mac.com>
To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
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Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Mac vs. PC
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Hi Joe:
I mainly installed Windows because of my school, and see it balances well
with my Mac OS.
I'm using XP SP3 though.
Either way, I also got it because I want to start getting into music
production at a very serious level and think that it'd be a good idea to
have Windows, in case I have to go that way--or use it in conjunction with
Mac tools.
Jorge
On Feb 23, 2011, at 12:17 PM, Joe Foster wrote:
> I am one of those with both systems on my new Apple. I am finding the new
MS
> software a big step backwards with respect to accessibility but have
chosen
> to use it as my key tool simply because I have been using MS and JAWS
since
> the days of DOS.
>
> I am aware that Apple is more intuitive in many areas and plan to move
> towards their tools slowly so that my work is not slowed down in the
> process.
>
> Welcome comments from others.
>
> Joe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Baracco, Andrew
W
> Sent: 22-Feb-11 12:03 PM
> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Mac vs. PC
>
> I joined a blind Mac users list to get an idea of how functional the Mac
> is for blind users. And, it seems like just about everyone on that list
> uses Windows in addition to the Mac, either by having a separate Windows
> PC, or by using Windows on the same PC, either by using a duel boot
> system, or by running Windows under a virtual machine. Thus one can
> infer that, at least as far as a blind user is concerned, the Mac does
> not afford enough functionality to use it exclusively.
>
> Andy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of louie
> Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 11:02 AM
> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] mac vs PC
>
> Got a Mac and not going back.
>
> On Feb 19, 2011, at 10:57 AM, Priscilla Garces wrote:
>
>> I'm a totally blind user of both PC and the Mac. At first it took some
> time to really figure out the mac, but now its pretty intuitive. I would
> be flat out lying if I said mac is so easy on the first try, no, not
> really folks; it does take some getting used to the different settings .
> On top of the different way it is set up, the cursor is different on the
> mac than on the PC. on the PC the cursor is to the right of the text,
> but on the mac the cursor is between the 2 letters. for instance, if you
> spelled mac the cursor on windows is to the right of the letter c and on
> the mac the cursor is between the a and c. In windows jaws would be
> saying m a c every time you arrow to the left or right which is more
> accurate when proofreading. On the mac, the cursor is between the
> letters which makes it confusing and you then end up deleting the wrong
> letter, but you can set the cursor to work like windows under the
> preferences for voiceover. It took me a while to figure the settings but
> I can now do that with no problem. The advantage of owning the mac is
> the cost effective solution and the in person technical support you
> receive with added training at there centers whereas windows you have to
> sometimes send out parts of a computer and if you need tech support you
> have to wait a long time especially if you have to deal with jaws and
> it's flukes. besides the in person tech support and servicing of parts
> between both PC and mac, on the PC you can only use the keyboard with
> jaws and thus it takes longer sometimes to complete the needed tasks
> where as on the mac you can use the trackpad as a mouse and you can
> actually press on any part of the trackpad and it will read the text on
> the screen. + navigation with the trackpad is faster and more so if you
> use the keyboard in addition to the mac. Voice over has cool voices and
> are more up to date whereas jaws have the monotone robotic voices which
> makes me personally want to fall asleep when reading tedious amounts of
> documents as a college students. I love alex because his voice is a lot
> more humanlike and has a variety of expression. In that case I would
> just say that you have to decide on what you feel more comfortable. But
> me personally after the mac i'm not looking back except when I work at
> an office using a PC but for personal use, that's a different story.
> What is your view on the use of the Mac verses PC?
>> I'm just curious to know if some of you share the same opinion or have
> something similar.
>>
>> Thank you very much.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Priscilla Garces
>> priscillagarces1987 at hotmail.com
>>
>>
>>
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