[Electronics-talk] Electronics-talk Digest, Vol 58, Issue 19
Louis R. Briones
cbandman1949 at surewest.net
Wed Feb 23 21:10:56 UTC 2011
The person who mamtion who mention a remote from Radio shack, is there a
chance you can provide the CAT.# of the remote and letting the group as to
the many other devices the remote will run. Thanks
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> Radio shack has a nice universal remote that is very accessable.
> Johna Lynn
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> 1. Recommendations for talking caller id's (John Riehl)
> 2. Looking for an accessible universal remote control (Jim
> Barbour)
> 3. Re: Looking for an accessible universal remotecontrol (Tony Sohl)
> 4. TV (louie)
> 5. Re: TV (fred olver)
> 6. Re: TV (louie)
> 7. Re: TV (fred olver)
> 8. Re: TV (louie)
> 9. Re: TV (Baracco, Andrew W)
> 10. Re: TV (Louis R. Briones)
> 11. Re: TV (Steve Jacobson)
> 12. Re: TV (Baracco, Andrew W)
> 13. Re: TV (louie)
> 14. Re: Mac vs. PC (Jude DaShiell)
> 15. Re: TV (Jude DaShiell)
> 16. Re: TV (fred olver)
> 17. Re: TV (Louis R. Briones)
> 18. Re: TV (louie)
> 19. Re: TV (Steve P. Deeley)
> 20. Re: TV (Jude DaShiell)
> 21. Re: Recommendations for talking caller id's (mr. Chikodinaka|)
> 22. Re: Recommendations for talking caller id's (Jeff Samco)
> 23. NBP-Announce: Calling Android Users! Plus, our Top 5 List
> (Tony Grima)
> 24. Re: Recommendations for talking caller id's (Beverly Hunter)
> 25. Re: Recommendations for talking caller id's (Baracco, Andrew W)
> 26. Re: Mac vs. PC (Joe Foster)
> 27. Re: Mac vs. PC (Jorge Paez)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 13:12:31 -0500
> From: "John Riehl" <realman02 at comcast.net>
> To: "'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'"
> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [Electronics-talk] Recommendations for talking caller id's
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> a friend of mine is in the market for a talking caller ID. Does
> anyone have a recommendation for a good, accessible talking caller ID?
>
>
> John Riehl
>
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> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Christopher
> Chaltain
> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 12:34 PM
> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Mac vs. PC
>
> I'd be careful making this inference. For example, is this because
> people are still making the transition from Windows to the Mac? Also,
> what tasks are being done in Windowws versus on the Mac? My
> understanding is that the Mac is great for surfing the web, reading
> email, listening to media and so on. I haven't heard nearly as much when
> it comes to things like office suites. Therefore, it may be perfectly
> adequate for the home user but not the complete package for the office
> user.
>
> --
>
> Christopher
> chaltain at gmail.com
>
>
> On 2/22/2011 11:03 AM, Baracco, Andrew W wrote:
>> I joined a blind Mac users list to get an idea of how functional the Mac
>> is for blind users. And, it seems like just about everyone on that list
>> uses Windows in addition to the Mac, either by having a separate Windows
>> PC, or by using Windows on the same PC, either by using a duel boot
>> system, or by running Windows under a virtual machine. Thus one can
>> infer that, at least as far as a blind user is concerned, the Mac does
>> not afford enough functionality to use it exclusively.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of louie
>> Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 11:02 AM
>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] mac vs PC
>>
>> Got a Mac and not going back.
>>
>> On Feb 19, 2011, at 10:57 AM, Priscilla Garces wrote:
>>
>>> I'm a totally blind user of both PC and the Mac. At first it took some
>> time to really figure out the mac, but now its pretty intuitive. I would
>> be flat out lying if I said mac is so easy on the first try, no, not
>> really folks; it does take some getting used to the different settings .
>> On top of the different way it is set up, the cursor is different on the
>> mac than on the PC. on the PC the cursor is to the right of the text,
>> but on the mac the cursor is between the 2 letters. for instance, if you
>> spelled mac the cursor on windows is to the right of the letter c and on
>> the mac the cursor is between the a and c. In windows jaws would be
>> saying m a c every time you arrow to the left or right which is more
>> accurate when proofreading. On the mac, the cursor is between the
>> letters which makes it confusing and you then end up deleting the wrong
>> letter, but you can set the cursor to work like windows under the
>> preferences for voiceover. It took me a while to figure the settings but
>> I can now do that with no problem. The advantage of owning the mac is
>> the cost effective solution and the in person technical support you
>> receive with added training at there centers whereas windows you have to
>> sometimes send out parts of a computer and if you need tech support you
>> have to wait a long time especially if you have to deal with jaws and
>> it's flukes. besides the in person tech support and servicing of parts
>> between both PC and mac, on the PC you can only use the keyboard with
>> jaws and thus it takes longer sometimes to complete the needed tasks
>> where as on the mac you can use the trackpad as a mouse and you can
>> actually press on any part of the trackpad and it will read the text on
>> the screen. + navigation with the trackpad is faster and more so if you
>> use the keyboard in addition to the mac. Voice over has cool voices and
>> are more up to date whereas jaws have the monotone robotic voices which
>> makes me personally want to fall asleep when reading tedious amounts of
>> documents as a college students. I love alex because his voice is a lot
>> more humanlike and has a variety of expression. In that case I would
>> just say that you have to decide on what you feel more comfortable. But
>> me personally after the mac i'm not looking back except when I work at
>> an office using a PC but for personal use, that's a different story.
>> What is your view on the use of the Mac verses PC?
>>> I'm just curious to know if some of you share the same opinion or have
>> something similar.
>>> Thank you very much.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Priscilla Garces
>>> priscillagarces1987 at hotmail.com
>>>
>>>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 10:20:02 -0800
> From: Jim Barbour <jbar at barcore.com>
> To: electronics-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Electronics-talk] Looking for an accessible universal remote
> control
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> Hey Folks,
>
> I'm looking for an accessible universal remote control to control all
> our living room components.
>
> The remote will need to be usable by other (sighted) members of the
> household and so should be easy for everyone to use.
>
> It will be programmed by me, so it should be easy for a blind person
> to program.
>
> Any suggestions would be warmly appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 11:50:29 -0700
> From: "Tony Sohl" <tonysohl at cox.net>
> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Looking for an accessible universal
> remotecontrol
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> reply-type=original
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> Hi Jim, Speak to Me Catalog sells an accessible remote and their web site
> is:
> http://www.speaktomecatalog.com
>
> Their phone number is: 1-800-248-9965. I hope this helps.
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 11:17:19 -0800
> From: louie <louiemost at wavecable.com>
> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [Electronics-talk] TV
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> Hi all,
> I need to get a new TV. We do not use a cable box. We have a very old TV
> and
> it is time to get a new one.
> Do the new TVs have a tuner that works with the old analog signal?
> Thank you for any help.
>
>
> louie
> louiemost at wavecable.com
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 14:01:44 -0600
> From: "fred olver" <goodfolks at charter.net>
> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] TV
> Message-ID: <CB2346C57A854D7CAE7EA86FAA748A6C at fredspc>
>
> Tv stations were required to convert to HD almost two years ago. If you're
> old Tv is still working without a digital converter I would be surprised.
> I
> believe that all TV's now produced are only digital.
>
> Fred Olver
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "louie" <louiemost at wavecable.com>
> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 1:17 PM
> Subject: [Electronics-talk] TV
>
>
>> Hi all,
>> I need to get a new TV. We do not use a cable box. We have a very old TV
>> and it is time to get a new one.
>> Do the new TVs have a tuner that works with the old analog signal?
>> Thank you for any help.
>>
>>
>> louie
>> louiemost at wavecable.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 12:20:48 -0800
> From: louie <louiemost at wavecable.com>
> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] TV
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> I forgot to say we are on cable.
>
> On Feb 22, 2011, at 12:01 PM, fred olver wrote:
>
>> Tv stations were required to convert to HD almost two years ago. If
>> you're
>
>> old Tv is still working without a digital converter I would be surprised.
> I
>> believe that all TV's now produced are only digital.
>>
>> Fred Olver
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "louie" <louiemost at wavecable.com>
>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 1:17 PM
>> Subject: [Electronics-talk] TV
>>
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> I need to get a new TV. We do not use a cable box. We have a very old TV
>>> and it is time to get a new one.
>>> Do the new TVs have a tuner that works with the old analog signal?
>>> Thank you for any help.
>>>
>>>
>>> louie
>>> louiemost at wavecable.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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> louie
> louiemost at wavecable.com
>
>
>
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>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 14:25:46 -0600
> From: "fred olver" <goodfolks at charter.net>
> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] TV
> Message-ID: <4043F3F0A7BE4D9C90DB832726D3038B at fredspc>
>
> And you don't have a cable box???
>
> Fred
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "louie" <louiemost at wavecable.com>
> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 2:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] TV
>
>
>>I forgot to say we are on cable.
>>
>> On Feb 22, 2011, at 12:01 PM, fred olver wrote:
>>
>>> Tv stations were required to convert to HD almost two years ago. If
>>> you're
>>> old Tv is still working without a digital converter I would be
>>> surprised.
>
>>> I
>>> believe that all TV's now produced are only digital.
>>>
>>> Fred Olver
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "louie" <louiemost at wavecable.com>
>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 1:17 PM
>>> Subject: [Electronics-talk] TV
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> I need to get a new TV. We do not use a cable box. We have a very old
>>>> TV
>>>> and it is time to get a new one.
>>>> Do the new TVs have a tuner that works with the old analog signal?
>>>> Thank you for any help.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> louie
>>>> louiemost at wavecable.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>> louie
>> louiemost at wavecable.com
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 12:30:58 -0800
> From: louie <louiemost at wavecable.com>
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> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] TV
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> No cable box.
>
> On Feb 22, 2011, at 12:25 PM, fred olver wrote:
>
>> And you don't have a cable box???
>>
>> Fred
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "louie" <louiemost at wavecable.com>
>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 2:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] TV
>>
>>
>>> I forgot to say we are on cable.
>>>
>>> On Feb 22, 2011, at 12:01 PM, fred olver wrote:
>>>
>>>> Tv stations were required to convert to HD almost two years ago. If
>>>> you're
>>>> old Tv is still working without a digital converter I would be
> surprised.
>>>> I
>>>> believe that all TV's now produced are only digital.
>>>>
>>>> Fred Olver
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "louie" <louiemost at wavecable.com>
>>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 1:17 PM
>>>> Subject: [Electronics-talk] TV
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> I need to get a new TV. We do not use a cable box. We have a very old
> TV
>>>>> and it is time to get a new one.
>>>>> Do the new TVs have a tuner that works with the old analog signal?
>>>>> Thank you for any help.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> louie
>>>>> louiemost at wavecable.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>
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> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 12:42:08 -0800
> From: "Baracco, Andrew W" <Andrew.Baracco at va.gov>
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> A digital TV will probably negate the need for a cable box, at least for
> first tier cable service. You most likely won't need a box unless you
> want premium channels. I have Time Warner Cable, and I have an old
> analogue set plugged into the naked cable, without any kind of a box.
> It will pick up about 75 channels. However, about 3 weeks ago, it
> stopped picking up TWC's analogue broadcast of our local PBS station,
> and now I can only watch it on a digital set. I was told that within
> two years the cable companies will no longer broadcast analogue
> channels, and your analogue set will be basically a brick, and you will
> need either a digital set or a cable box even if you are using cable. I
> believe the 2009 law does allow for analogue sets below a certain screen
> size, I believe 20 inches, but I have not seen analogue sets in our
> local Best Buy store in a long time.
>
> Andy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of louie
> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 12:21 PM
> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] TV
>
> I forgot to say we are on cable.
>
> On Feb 22, 2011, at 12:01 PM, fred olver wrote:
>
>> Tv stations were required to convert to HD almost two years ago. If
> you're
>> old Tv is still working without a digital converter I would be
> surprised. I
>> believe that all TV's now produced are only digital.
>>
>> Fred Olver
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "louie" <louiemost at wavecable.com>
>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 1:17 PM
>> Subject: [Electronics-talk] TV
>>
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> I need to get a new TV. We do not use a cable box. We have a very old
> TV
>>> and it is time to get a new one.
>>> Do the new TVs have a tuner that works with the old analog signal?
>>> Thank you for any help.
>>>
>>>
>>> louie
>>> louiemost at wavecable.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 12:59:55 -0800
> From: "Louis R. Briones" <cbandman1949 at surewest.net>
> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] TV
> Message-ID: <000701cbd2d3$75a0b570$022eca0a at cbandmantracker>
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> The person who is interest in aquire Set top box for his TV would have to
> go to Fry's and there is a chance he could find one for any analog TV.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "fred olver" <goodfolks at charter.net>
> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 12:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] TV
>
>
>> Tv stations were required to convert to HD almost two years ago. If
>> you're
>
>> old Tv is still working without a digital converter I would be surprised.
>> I believe that all TV's now produced are only digital.
>>
>> Fred Olver
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "louie" <louiemost at wavecable.com>
>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 1:17 PM
>> Subject: [Electronics-talk] TV
>>
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> I need to get a new TV. We do not use a cable box. We have a very old TV
>>> and it is time to get a new one.
>>> Do the new TVs have a tuner that works with the old analog signal?
>>> Thank you for any help.
>>>
>>>
>>> louie
>>> louiemost at wavecable.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 15:59:00 -0600
> From: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
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> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] TV
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> Fred,
>
> I am pretty sure that the new TV's still receive analog, though, as there
> is
> still low-power analog around. However, finding analog signals is not
> easy.
> Even
> cable systems are converting, so I'm curious what sort of signals he is
> getting..
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
> On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 14:01:44 -0600, fred olver wrote:
>
>>Tv stations were required to convert to HD almost two years ago. If you're
>>old Tv is still working without a digital converter I would be surprised.
>>I
>
>>believe that all TV's now produced are only digital.
>
>>Fred Olver
>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "louie" <louiemost at wavecable.com>
>>To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>><electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 1:17 PM
>>Subject: [Electronics-talk] TV
>
>
>>> Hi all,
>>> I need to get a new TV. We do not use a cable box. We have a very old TV
>>> and it is time to get a new one.
>>> Do the new TVs have a tuner that works with the old analog signal?
>>> Thank you for any help.
>>>
>>>
>>> louie
>>> louiemost at wavecable.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 14:12:19 -0800
> From: "Baracco, Andrew W" <Andrew.Baracco at va.gov>
> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] TV
> Message-ID:
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> The cable systems are still broadcasting a lot of analogue. Don't know
> for how much longer.
>
> Andy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson
> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 1:59 PM
> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] TV
>
> Fred,
>
> I am pretty sure that the new TV's still receive analog, though, as
> there is still low-power analog around. However, finding analog signals
> is not easy. Even
> cable systems are converting, so I'm curious what sort of signals he is
> getting..
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
> On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 14:01:44 -0600, fred olver wrote:
>
>>Tv stations were required to convert to HD almost two years ago. If
> you're
>>old Tv is still working without a digital converter I would be
> surprised. I
>>believe that all TV's now produced are only digital.
>
>>Fred Olver
>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "louie" <louiemost at wavecable.com>
>>To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>><electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 1:17 PM
>>Subject: [Electronics-talk] TV
>
>
>>> Hi all,
>>> I need to get a new TV. We do not use a cable box. We have a very old
> TV
>>> and it is time to get a new one.
>>> Do the new TVs have a tuner that works with the old analog signal?
>>> Thank you for any help.
>>>
>>>
>>> louie
>>> louiemost at wavecable.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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> Message: 13
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 14:16:17 -0800
> From: louie <louiemost at wavecable.com>
> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] TV
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> Just called my cable system wave cable. Thay said no plans to drop analog.
>
> On Feb 22, 2011, at 2:12 PM, Baracco, Andrew W wrote:
>
>> The cable systems are still broadcasting a lot of analogue. Don't know
>> for how much longer.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 1:59 PM
>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] TV
>>
>> Fred,
>>
>> I am pretty sure that the new TV's still receive analog, though, as
>> there is still low-power analog around. However, finding analog signals
>> is not easy. Even
>> cable systems are converting, so I'm curious what sort of signals he is
>> getting..
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Steve Jacobson
>>
>> On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 14:01:44 -0600, fred olver wrote:
>>
>>> Tv stations were required to convert to HD almost two years ago. If
>> you're
>>> old Tv is still working without a digital converter I would be
>> surprised. I
>>> believe that all TV's now produced are only digital.
>>
>>> Fred Olver
>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "louie" <louiemost at wavecable.com>
>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 1:17 PM
>>> Subject: [Electronics-talk] TV
>>
>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> I need to get a new TV. We do not use a cable box. We have a very old
>> TV
>>>> and it is time to get a new one.
>>>> Do the new TVs have a tuner that works with the old analog signal?
>>>> Thank you for any help.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> louie
>>>> louiemost at wavecable.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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> Message: 14
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:36:48 -0500 (EST)
> From: Jude DaShiell <jdashiel at shellworld.net>
> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Mac vs. PC
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> One of the other members of blind-l asked Microsoft Accessibility why
> Microsoft's mac suite products continue to be inaccessible and was told
> that Microsoft Accessibility could not go over into that other division
> and tell those programmers how to do programming. Apparently Microsoft
> Accessibility's charter is strictly limited to the Windows product line.
> On Tue, 22 Feb 2011, Jim Barbour wrote:
>
>> One thing that is not accessible on the Mac is the Microsoft suite of
>> products. There are a few substitutes, but none of them is perfect,
>> especially in a collaborative environment, where you need to be able
>> to make surgical changes to a document, without the rest of the
>> document changing.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 12:52:18PM -0500, Jorge Paez wrote:
>> > Andy:
>> > It depends.
>> > There are some stuff--such as gaming (yes, there are games accessible
> for the blind),
>> > and such at which Winodws has a better chance simply because its more
> open.
>> >
>> > But, Mac can serve any and all basic needs as an exclusive system.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Feb 22, 2011, at 12:03 PM, Baracco, Andrew W wrote:
>> >
>> > > I joined a blind Mac users list to get an idea of how functional the
> Mac
>> > > is for blind users. And, it seems like just about everyone on that
> list
>> > > uses Windows in addition to the Mac, either by having a separate
> Windows
>> > > PC, or by using Windows on the same PC, either by using a duel boot
>> > > system, or by running Windows under a virtual machine. Thus one can
>> > > infer that, at least as far as a blind user is concerned, the Mac
>> > > does
>> > > not afford enough functionality to use it exclusively.
>> > >
>> > > Andy
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> > > [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of louie
>> > > Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 11:02 AM
>> > > To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>> > > Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] mac vs PC
>> > >
>> > > Got a Mac and not going back.
>> > >
>> > > On Feb 19, 2011, at 10:57 AM, Priscilla Garces wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> I'm a totally blind user of both PC and the Mac. At first it took
> some
>> > > time to really figure out the mac, but now its pretty intuitive. I
> would
>> > > be flat out lying if I said mac is so easy on the first try, no, not
>> > > really folks; it does take some getting used to the different
>> > > settings
> .
>> > > On top of the different way it is set up, the cursor is different on
> the
>> > > mac than on the PC. on the PC the cursor is to the right of the text,
>> > > but on the mac the cursor is between the 2 letters. for instance, if
> you
>> > > spelled mac the cursor on windows is to the right of the letter c and
> on
>> > > the mac the cursor is between the a and c. In windows jaws would be
>> > > saying m a c every time you arrow to the left or right which is more
>> > > accurate when proofreading. On the mac, the cursor is between the
>> > > letters which makes it confusing and you then end up deleting the
> wrong
>> > > letter, but you can set the cursor to work like windows under the
>> > > preferences for voiceover. It took me a while to figure the settings
> but
>> > > I can now do that with no problem. The advantage of owning the mac is
>> > > the cost effective solution and the in person technical support you
>> > > receive with added training at there centers whereas windows you have
> to
>> > > sometimes send out parts of a computer and if you need tech support
> you
>> > > have to wait a long time especially if you have to deal with jaws and
>> > > it's flukes. besides the in person tech support and servicing of
>> > > parts
>> > > between both PC and mac, on the PC you can only use the keyboard with
>> > > jaws and thus it takes longer sometimes to complete the needed tasks
>> > > where as on the mac you can use the trackpad as a mouse and you can
>> > > actually press on any part of the trackpad and it will read the text
> on
>> > > the screen. + navigation with the trackpad is faster and more so if
> you
>> > > use the keyboard in addition to the mac. Voice over has cool voices
> and
>> > > are more up to date whereas jaws have the monotone robotic voices
> which
>> > > makes me personally want to fall asleep when reading tedious amounts
> of
>> > > documents as a college students. I love alex because his voice is a
> lot
>> > > more humanlike and has a variety of expression. In that case I would
>> > > just say that you have to decide on what you feel more comfortable.
> But
>> > > me personally after the mac i'm not looking back except when I work
>> > > at
>> > > an office using a PC but for personal use, that's a different story.
>> > > What is your view on the use of the Mac verses PC?
>> > >> I'm just curious to know if some of you share the same opinion or
> have
>> > > something similar.
>> > >>
>> > >> Thank you very much.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Priscilla Garces
>> > >> priscillagarces1987 at hotmail.com
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
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>> > >
>> > > louie
>> > > louiemost at wavecable.com
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
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> Message: 15
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:56:46 -0500 (EST)
> From: Jude DaShiell <jdashiel at shellworld.net>
> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
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> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] TV
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> I understand the 2nd tier cable providers which is all of them except for
> the five largest providers inthe United States will not be required to
> provide accessible cable boxes which for the leaders will make on demand
> TV services accessible. I'm wondering if it would even be worth trying to
> use my IPhone to scan the on demand menu and perhaps get some legible
> results back from the IPhone. That menu probably doesn't change though
> items on submenus will.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 16
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:04:27 -0600
> From: "fred olver" <goodfolks at charter.net>
> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] TV
> Message-ID: <330EB341DA234D39BD4CB9D4B7E132B5 at fredspc>
>
> Well, I would be surprised if there are any analogue sig's around, though
> I
> guess stations could broadcast both, however I thought those frequencies
> were supposed to be allocated for other services.
>
> Fred Olver
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Baracco, Andrew W" <Andrew.Baracco at va.gov>
> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 4:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] TV
>
>
>> The cable systems are still broadcasting a lot of analogue. Don't know
>> for how much longer.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 1:59 PM
>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] TV
>>
>> Fred,
>>
>> I am pretty sure that the new TV's still receive analog, though, as
>> there is still low-power analog around. However, finding analog signals
>> is not easy. Even
>> cable systems are converting, so I'm curious what sort of signals he is
>> getting..
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Steve Jacobson
>>
>> On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 14:01:44 -0600, fred olver wrote:
>>
>>>Tv stations were required to convert to HD almost two years ago. If
>> you're
>>>old Tv is still working without a digital converter I would be
>> surprised. I
>>>believe that all TV's now produced are only digital.
>>
>>>Fred Olver
>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "louie" <louiemost at wavecable.com>
>>>To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>>><electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 1:17 PM
>>>Subject: [Electronics-talk] TV
>>
>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> I need to get a new TV. We do not use a cable box. We have a very old
>> TV
>>>> and it is time to get a new one.
>>>> Do the new TVs have a tuner that works with the old analog signal?
>>>> Thank you for any help.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> louie
>>>> louiemost at wavecable.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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> Message: 17
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 15:36:31 -0800
> From: "Louis R. Briones" <cbandman1949 at surewest.net>
> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] TV
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>>From what I have been hearing as far back from 2007 that the cable
> companies
> are suppose to go completely digital transmission by the year 2012 and
> that
> the folks with their present cable boxes are suppose to surrender their
> old
> boxes.
> I myself whent via antenna over the air with most of the local channels
> that
>
> I like having due to the outstanding sound quality, which is much better
> then receiving a quam signal, which most cable providers are delivering
> right now.Most of the stuff is all repeated material for the most part,
> and
> I can receive most of the same programing from my local channels of which
> I
> don't have to pay for saving me $59.95 per month. Then there is the fact
> with over the air reception, when in a good area the television signal
> originating from the local channels are more line of site, then coming
> through a cable system with the quality being 95% quality.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "fred olver" <goodfolks at charter.net>
> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 3:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] TV
>
>
>> Well, I would be surprised if there are any analogue sig's around, though
>> I guess stations could broadcast both, however I thought those
>> frequencies
>
>> were supposed to be allocated for other services.
>>
>> Fred Olver
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Baracco, Andrew W" <Andrew.Baracco at va.gov>
>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 4:12 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] TV
>>
>>
>>> The cable systems are still broadcasting a lot of analogue. Don't know
>>> for how much longer.
>>>
>>> Andy
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 1:59 PM
>>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] TV
>>>
>>> Fred,
>>>
>>> I am pretty sure that the new TV's still receive analog, though, as
>>> there is still low-power analog around. However, finding analog signals
>>> is not easy. Even
>>> cable systems are converting, so I'm curious what sort of signals he is
>>> getting..
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Steve Jacobson
>>>
>>> On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 14:01:44 -0600, fred olver wrote:
>>>
>>>>Tv stations were required to convert to HD almost two years ago. If
>>> you're
>>>>old Tv is still working without a digital converter I would be
>>> surprised. I
>>>>believe that all TV's now produced are only digital.
>>>
>>>>Fred Olver
>>>
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "louie" <louiemost at wavecable.com>
>>>>To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>>>><electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 1:17 PM
>>>>Subject: [Electronics-talk] TV
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> I need to get a new TV. We do not use a cable box. We have a very old
>>> TV
>>>>> and it is time to get a new one.
>>>>> Do the new TVs have a tuner that works with the old analog signal?
>>>>> Thank you for any help.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> louie
>>>>> louiemost at wavecable.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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> Message: 18
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 16:13:31 -0800
> From: louie <louiemost at wavecable.com>
> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] TV
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> I still get analog TV signals from Canada.
>
> On Feb 22, 2011, at 3:04 PM, fred olver wrote:
>
>> Well, I would be surprised if there are any analogue sig's around, though
> I
>> guess stations could broadcast both, however I thought those frequencies
>> were supposed to be allocated for other services.
>>
>> Fred Olver
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Baracco, Andrew W" <Andrew.Baracco at va.gov>
>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 4:12 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] TV
>>
>>
>>> The cable systems are still broadcasting a lot of analogue. Don't know
>>> for how much longer.
>>>
>>> Andy
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 1:59 PM
>>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] TV
>>>
>>> Fred,
>>>
>>> I am pretty sure that the new TV's still receive analog, though, as
>>> there is still low-power analog around. However, finding analog signals
>>> is not easy. Even
>>> cable systems are converting, so I'm curious what sort of signals he is
>>> getting..
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Steve Jacobson
>>>
>>> On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 14:01:44 -0600, fred olver wrote:
>>>
>>>> Tv stations were required to convert to HD almost two years ago. If
>>> you're
>>>> old Tv is still working without a digital converter I would be
>>> surprised. I
>>>> believe that all TV's now produced are only digital.
>>>
>>>> Fred Olver
>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "louie" <louiemost at wavecable.com>
>>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 1:17 PM
>>>> Subject: [Electronics-talk] TV
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> I need to get a new TV. We do not use a cable box. We have a very old
>>> TV
>>>>> and it is time to get a new one.
>>>>> Do the new TVs have a tuner that works with the old analog signal?
>>>>> Thank you for any help.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> louie
>>>>> louiemost at wavecable.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>
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> Message: 19
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 19:37:52 -0500
> From: "Steve P. Deeley" <stevep.deeley at insightbb.com>
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> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
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> Does any cable company have an accessible box?
> Steve
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jude DaShiell" <jdashiel at shellworld.net>
> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 5:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] TV
>
>
>>I understand the 2nd tier cable providers which is all of them except for
>> the five largest providers inthe United States will not be required to
>> provide accessible cable boxes which for the leaders will make on demand
>> TV services accessible. I'm wondering if it would even be worth trying
>> to
>> use my IPhone to scan the on demand menu and perhaps get some legible
>> results back from the IPhone. That menu probably doesn't change though
>> items on submenus will.
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 20
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 20:10:02 -0500 (EST)
> From: Jude DaShiell <jdashiel at shellworld.net>
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> Not yet in America but in England yes. American cable companies are
> either going to have to import or find a manufacturer here I think by 2012
> to make all of this happen. I read about the accessible cable box a while
> back on the access-l email list.On Tue, 22 Feb 2011, Steve P. Deeley
> wrote:
>
>> Does any cable company have an accessible box?
>> Steve
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jude DaShiell"
> <jdashiel at shellworld.net>
>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 5:56 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] TV
>>
>>
>> >I understand the 2nd tier cable providers which is all of them except
>> >for
>> > the five largest providers inthe United States will not be required to
>> > provide accessible cable boxes which for the leaders will make on
>> > demand
>> > TV services accessible. I'm wondering if it would even be worth trying
> to
>> > use my IPhone to scan the on demand menu and perhaps get some legible
>> > results back from the IPhone. That menu probably doesn't change though
>> > items on submenus will.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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> Message: 21
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 22:53:36 -0500
> From: "mr. Chikodinaka|" <chikodinaka09021982 at gmail.com>
> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
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> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Recommendations for talking caller
> id's
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> On 2/22/11, John Riehl <realman02 at comcast.net> wrote:
>> a friend of mine is in the market for a talking caller ID. Does
>> anyone have a recommendation for a good, accessible talking caller ID?
>>
>>
>> John Riehl
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Christopher
>> Chaltain
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 12:34 PM
>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Mac vs. PC
>>
>> I'd be careful making this inference. For example, is this because
>> people are still making the transition from Windows to the Mac? Also,
>> what tasks are being done in Windowws versus on the Mac? My
>> understanding is that the Mac is great for surfing the web, reading
>> email, listening to media and so on. I haven't heard nearly as much when
>> it comes to things like office suites. Therefore, it may be perfectly
>> adequate for the home user but not the complete package for the office
> user.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Christopher
>> chaltain at gmail.com
>>
>>
>> On 2/22/2011 11:03 AM, Baracco, Andrew W wrote:
>>> I joined a blind Mac users list to get an idea of how functional the Mac
>>> is for blind users. And, it seems like just about everyone on that list
>>> uses Windows in addition to the Mac, either by having a separate Windows
>>> PC, or by using Windows on the same PC, either by using a duel boot
>>> system, or by running Windows under a virtual machine. Thus one can
>>> infer that, at least as far as a blind user is concerned, the Mac does
>>> not afford enough functionality to use it exclusively.
>>>
>>> Andy
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of louie
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 11:02 AM
>>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] mac vs PC
>>>
>>> Got a Mac and not going back.
>>>
>>> On Feb 19, 2011, at 10:57 AM, Priscilla Garces wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm a totally blind user of both PC and the Mac. At first it took some
>>> time to really figure out the mac, but now its pretty intuitive. I would
>>> be flat out lying if I said mac is so easy on the first try, no, not
>>> really folks; it does take some getting used to the different settings .
>>> On top of the different way it is set up, the cursor is different on the
>>> mac than on the PC. on the PC the cursor is to the right of the text,
>>> but on the mac the cursor is between the 2 letters. for instance, if you
>>> spelled mac the cursor on windows is to the right of the letter c and on
>>> the mac the cursor is between the a and c. In windows jaws would be
>>> saying m a c every time you arrow to the left or right which is more
>>> accurate when proofreading. On the mac, the cursor is between the
>>> letters which makes it confusing and you then end up deleting the wrong
>>> letter, but you can set the cursor to work like windows under the
>>> preferences for voiceover. It took me a while to figure the settings but
>>> I can now do that with no problem. The advantage of owning the mac is
>>> the cost effective solution and the in person technical support you
>>> receive with added training at there centers whereas windows you have to
>>> sometimes send out parts of a computer and if you need tech support you
>>> have to wait a long time especially if you have to deal with jaws and
>>> it's flukes. besides the in person tech support and servicing of parts
>>> between both PC and mac, on the PC you can only use the keyboard with
>>> jaws and thus it takes longer sometimes to complete the needed tasks
>>> where as on the mac you can use the trackpad as a mouse and you can
>>> actually press on any part of the trackpad and it will read the text on
>>> the screen. + navigation with the trackpad is faster and more so if you
>>> use the keyboard in addition to the mac. Voice over has cool voices and
>>> are more up to date whereas jaws have the monotone robotic voices which
>>> makes me personally want to fall asleep when reading tedious amounts of
>>> documents as a college students. I love alex because his voice is a lot
>>> more humanlike and has a variety of expression. In that case I would
>>> just say that you have to decide on what you feel more comfortable. But
>>> me personally after the mac i'm not looking back except when I work at
>>> an office using a PC but for personal use, that's a different story.
>>> What is your view on the use of the Mac verses PC?
>>>> I'm just curious to know if some of you share the same opinion or have
>>> something similar.
>>>> Thank you very much.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Priscilla Garces
>>>> priscillagarces1987 at hotmail.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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> Message: 22
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 22:24:54 -0800
> From: Jeff Samco <jsamco at jps.net>
> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Recommendations for talking caller
> id's
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> The Classco 9900 is a stand-alone talking caller ID. I have one and
> it is plenty accessible enough once someone helps one identify the 4
> buttons and the menu structure. I really only use the first menu item
> which allows me to audibly review recent calls. Otherwise, it
> automatically announces incoming calls by their 10 digit number. It
> is easy to add a voice tag to any particular number so it gets
> announced instead of the number. I saw them recently for about $35 to $40.
> HTH,
> Jeff
>
> At 10:12 AM 2/22/2011, you wrote:
>> a friend of mine is in the market for a talking caller ID. Does
>>anyone have a recommendation for a good, accessible talking caller ID?
>>
>>
>>John Riehl
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>[mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Christopher
>>Chaltain
>>Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 12:34 PM
>>To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Mac vs. PC
>>
>>I'd be careful making this inference. For example, is this because
>>people are still making the transition from Windows to the Mac? Also,
>>what tasks are being done in Windowws versus on the Mac? My
>>understanding is that the Mac is great for surfing the web, reading
>>email, listening to media and so on. I haven't heard nearly as much when
>>it comes to things like office suites. Therefore, it may be perfectly
>>adequate for the home user but not the complete package for the office
> user.
>>
>>--
>>
>>Christopher
>>chaltain at gmail.com
>>
>>
>>On 2/22/2011 11:03 AM, Baracco, Andrew W wrote:
>> > I joined a blind Mac users list to get an idea of how functional the
>> > Mac
>> > is for blind users. And, it seems like just about everyone on that
>> > list
>> > uses Windows in addition to the Mac, either by having a separate
>> > Windows
>> > PC, or by using Windows on the same PC, either by using a duel boot
>> > system, or by running Windows under a virtual machine. Thus one can
>> > infer that, at least as far as a blind user is concerned, the Mac does
>> > not afford enough functionality to use it exclusively.
>> >
>> > Andy
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> > [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of louie
>> > Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 11:02 AM
>> > To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>> > Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] mac vs PC
>> >
>> > Got a Mac and not going back.
>> >
>> > On Feb 19, 2011, at 10:57 AM, Priscilla Garces wrote:
>> >
>> >> I'm a totally blind user of both PC and the Mac. At first it took some
>> > time to really figure out the mac, but now its pretty intuitive. I
>> > would
>> > be flat out lying if I said mac is so easy on the first try, no, not
>> > really folks; it does take some getting used to the different settings
>> > .
>> > On top of the different way it is set up, the cursor is different on
>> > the
>> > mac than on the PC. on the PC the cursor is to the right of the text,
>> > but on the mac the cursor is between the 2 letters. for instance, if
>> > you
>> > spelled mac the cursor on windows is to the right of the letter c and
>> > on
>> > the mac the cursor is between the a and c. In windows jaws would be
>> > saying m a c every time you arrow to the left or right which is more
>> > accurate when proofreading. On the mac, the cursor is between the
>> > letters which makes it confusing and you then end up deleting the wrong
>> > letter, but you can set the cursor to work like windows under the
>> > preferences for voiceover. It took me a while to figure the settings
>> > but
>> > I can now do that with no problem. The advantage of owning the mac is
>> > the cost effective solution and the in person technical support you
>> > receive with added training at there centers whereas windows you have
>> > to
>> > sometimes send out parts of a computer and if you need tech support you
>> > have to wait a long time especially if you have to deal with jaws and
>> > it's flukes. besides the in person tech support and servicing of parts
>> > between both PC and mac, on the PC you can only use the keyboard with
>> > jaws and thus it takes longer sometimes to complete the needed tasks
>> > where as on the mac you can use the trackpad as a mouse and you can
>> > actually press on any part of the trackpad and it will read the text on
>> > the screen. + navigation with the trackpad is faster and more so if you
>> > use the keyboard in addition to the mac. Voice over has cool voices and
>> > are more up to date whereas jaws have the monotone robotic voices which
>> > makes me personally want to fall asleep when reading tedious amounts of
>> > documents as a college students. I love alex because his voice is a lot
>> > more humanlike and has a variety of expression. In that case I would
>> > just say that you have to decide on what you feel more comfortable. But
>> > me personally after the mac i'm not looking back except when I work at
>> > an office using a PC but for personal use, that's a different story.
>> > What is your view on the use of the Mac verses PC?
>> >> I'm just curious to know if some of you share the same opinion or have
>> > something similar.
>> >> Thank you very much.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Priscilla Garces
>> >> priscillagarces1987 at hotmail.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 08:37:39 -0500
> From: "Beverly Hunter" <bhunter at nfbga.org>
> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Recommendations for talking caller
> id's
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> Is there one that announces names as they appear in the phone directory?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "mr. Chikodinaka|" <chikodinaka09021982 at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 10:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Recommendations for talking caller id's
>
>
> On 2/22/11, John Riehl <realman02 at comcast.net> wrote:
>> a friend of mine is in the market for a talking caller ID. Does
>> anyone have a recommendation for a good, accessible talking caller ID?
>>
>>
>> John Riehl
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Christopher
>> Chaltain
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 12:34 PM
>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Mac vs. PC
>>
>> I'd be careful making this inference. For example, is this because
>> people are still making the transition from Windows to the Mac? Also,
>> what tasks are being done in Windowws versus on the Mac? My
>> understanding is that the Mac is great for surfing the web, reading
>> email, listening to media and so on. I haven't heard nearly as much when
>> it comes to things like office suites. Therefore, it may be perfectly
>> adequate for the home user but not the complete package for the office
>> user.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Christopher
>> chaltain at gmail.com
>>
>>
>> On 2/22/2011 11:03 AM, Baracco, Andrew W wrote:
>>> I joined a blind Mac users list to get an idea of how functional the Mac
>>> is for blind users. And, it seems like just about everyone on that list
>>> uses Windows in addition to the Mac, either by having a separate Windows
>>> PC, or by using Windows on the same PC, either by using a duel boot
>>> system, or by running Windows under a virtual machine. Thus one can
>>> infer that, at least as far as a blind user is concerned, the Mac does
>>> not afford enough functionality to use it exclusively.
>>>
>>> Andy
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of louie
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 11:02 AM
>>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] mac vs PC
>>>
>>> Got a Mac and not going back.
>>>
>>> On Feb 19, 2011, at 10:57 AM, Priscilla Garces wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm a totally blind user of both PC and the Mac. At first it took some
>>> time to really figure out the mac, but now its pretty intuitive. I would
>>> be flat out lying if I said mac is so easy on the first try, no, not
>>> really folks; it does take some getting used to the different settings .
>>> On top of the different way it is set up, the cursor is different on the
>>> mac than on the PC. on the PC the cursor is to the right of the text,
>>> but on the mac the cursor is between the 2 letters. for instance, if you
>>> spelled mac the cursor on windows is to the right of the letter c and on
>>> the mac the cursor is between the a and c. In windows jaws would be
>>> saying m a c every time you arrow to the left or right which is more
>>> accurate when proofreading. On the mac, the cursor is between the
>>> letters which makes it confusing and you then end up deleting the wrong
>>> letter, but you can set the cursor to work like windows under the
>>> preferences for voiceover. It took me a while to figure the settings but
>>> I can now do that with no problem. The advantage of owning the mac is
>>> the cost effective solution and the in person technical support you
>>> receive with added training at there centers whereas windows you have to
>>> sometimes send out parts of a computer and if you need tech support you
>>> have to wait a long time especially if you have to deal with jaws and
>>> it's flukes. besides the in person tech support and servicing of parts
>>> between both PC and mac, on the PC you can only use the keyboard with
>>> jaws and thus it takes longer sometimes to complete the needed tasks
>>> where as on the mac you can use the trackpad as a mouse and you can
>>> actually press on any part of the trackpad and it will read the text on
>>> the screen. + navigation with the trackpad is faster and more so if you
>>> use the keyboard in addition to the mac. Voice over has cool voices and
>>> are more up to date whereas jaws have the monotone robotic voices which
>>> makes me personally want to fall asleep when reading tedious amounts of
>>> documents as a college students. I love alex because his voice is a lot
>>> more humanlike and has a variety of expression. In that case I would
>>> just say that you have to decide on what you feel more comfortable. But
>>> me personally after the mac i'm not looking back except when I work at
>>> an office using a PC but for personal use, that's a different story.
>>> What is your view on the use of the Mac verses PC?
>>>> I'm just curious to know if some of you share the same opinion or have
>>> something similar.
>>>> Thank you very much.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Priscilla Garces
>>>> priscillagarces1987 at hotmail.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Electronics-talk mailing list
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>>> Electronics-talk:
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/electronics-talk_nfbnet.org/louiem
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>>>
>>> louie
>>> louiemost at wavecable.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
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> Message: 25
> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 08:49:14 -0800
> From: "Baracco, Andrew W" <Andrew.Baracco at va.gov>
> To: "Beverly Hunter" <bhunter at nfbga.org>, "Discussion of accessible
> electronics and appliances" <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Recommendations for talking caller
> id's
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> The Panasonic cordless phones with talking caller ID will do that.
>
> Andy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Beverly Hunter
> Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 5:38 AM
> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Recommendations for talking caller id's
>
> Is there one that announces names as they appear in the phone directory?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "mr. Chikodinaka|" <chikodinaka09021982 at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 10:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Recommendations for talking caller id's
>
>
> On 2/22/11, John Riehl <realman02 at comcast.net> wrote:
>> a friend of mine is in the market for a talking caller ID. Does
>> anyone have a recommendation for a good, accessible talking caller ID?
>>
>>
>> John Riehl
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Christopher
>> Chaltain
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 12:34 PM
>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Mac vs. PC
>>
>> I'd be careful making this inference. For example, is this because
>> people are still making the transition from Windows to the Mac? Also,
>> what tasks are being done in Windowws versus on the Mac? My
>> understanding is that the Mac is great for surfing the web, reading
>> email, listening to media and so on. I haven't heard nearly as much
> when
>> it comes to things like office suites. Therefore, it may be perfectly
>> adequate for the home user but not the complete package for the office
>
>> user.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Christopher
>> chaltain at gmail.com
>>
>>
>> On 2/22/2011 11:03 AM, Baracco, Andrew W wrote:
>>> I joined a blind Mac users list to get an idea of how functional the
> Mac
>>> is for blind users. And, it seems like just about everyone on that
> list
>>> uses Windows in addition to the Mac, either by having a separate
> Windows
>>> PC, or by using Windows on the same PC, either by using a duel boot
>>> system, or by running Windows under a virtual machine. Thus one can
>>> infer that, at least as far as a blind user is concerned, the Mac
> does
>>> not afford enough functionality to use it exclusively.
>>>
>>> Andy
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of louie
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 11:02 AM
>>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] mac vs PC
>>>
>>> Got a Mac and not going back.
>>>
>>> On Feb 19, 2011, at 10:57 AM, Priscilla Garces wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm a totally blind user of both PC and the Mac. At first it took
> some
>>> time to really figure out the mac, but now its pretty intuitive. I
> would
>>> be flat out lying if I said mac is so easy on the first try, no, not
>>> really folks; it does take some getting used to the different
> settings .
>>> On top of the different way it is set up, the cursor is different on
> the
>>> mac than on the PC. on the PC the cursor is to the right of the text,
>>> but on the mac the cursor is between the 2 letters. for instance, if
> you
>>> spelled mac the cursor on windows is to the right of the letter c and
> on
>>> the mac the cursor is between the a and c. In windows jaws would be
>>> saying m a c every time you arrow to the left or right which is more
>>> accurate when proofreading. On the mac, the cursor is between the
>>> letters which makes it confusing and you then end up deleting the
> wrong
>>> letter, but you can set the cursor to work like windows under the
>>> preferences for voiceover. It took me a while to figure the settings
> but
>>> I can now do that with no problem. The advantage of owning the mac is
>>> the cost effective solution and the in person technical support you
>>> receive with added training at there centers whereas windows you have
> to
>>> sometimes send out parts of a computer and if you need tech support
> you
>>> have to wait a long time especially if you have to deal with jaws and
>>> it's flukes. besides the in person tech support and servicing of
> parts
>>> between both PC and mac, on the PC you can only use the keyboard with
>>> jaws and thus it takes longer sometimes to complete the needed tasks
>>> where as on the mac you can use the trackpad as a mouse and you can
>>> actually press on any part of the trackpad and it will read the text
> on
>>> the screen. + navigation with the trackpad is faster and more so if
> you
>>> use the keyboard in addition to the mac. Voice over has cool voices
> and
>>> are more up to date whereas jaws have the monotone robotic voices
> which
>>> makes me personally want to fall asleep when reading tedious amounts
> of
>>> documents as a college students. I love alex because his voice is a
> lot
>>> more humanlike and has a variety of expression. In that case I would
>>> just say that you have to decide on what you feel more comfortable.
> But
>>> me personally after the mac i'm not looking back except when I work
> at
>>> an office using a PC but for personal use, that's a different story.
>>> What is your view on the use of the Mac verses PC?
>>>> I'm just curious to know if some of you share the same opinion or
> have
>>> something similar.
>>>> Thank you very much.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Priscilla Garces
>>>> priscillagarces1987 at hotmail.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Electronics-talk mailing list
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> Message: 26
> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 12:17:39 -0500
> From: "Joe Foster" <joseph.foster at gmail.com>
> To: "'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'"
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> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Mac vs. PC
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> I am one of those with both systems on my new Apple. I am finding the new
> MS
> software a big step backwards with respect to accessibility but have
> chosen
> to use it as my key tool simply because I have been using MS and JAWS
> since
> the days of DOS.
>
> I am aware that Apple is more intuitive in many areas and plan to move
> towards their tools slowly so that my work is not slowed down in the
> process.
>
> Welcome comments from others.
>
> Joe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Baracco, Andrew
> W
> Sent: 22-Feb-11 12:03 PM
> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Mac vs. PC
>
> I joined a blind Mac users list to get an idea of how functional the Mac
> is for blind users. And, it seems like just about everyone on that list
> uses Windows in addition to the Mac, either by having a separate Windows
> PC, or by using Windows on the same PC, either by using a duel boot
> system, or by running Windows under a virtual machine. Thus one can
> infer that, at least as far as a blind user is concerned, the Mac does
> not afford enough functionality to use it exclusively.
>
> Andy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of louie
> Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 11:02 AM
> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] mac vs PC
>
> Got a Mac and not going back.
>
> On Feb 19, 2011, at 10:57 AM, Priscilla Garces wrote:
>
>> I'm a totally blind user of both PC and the Mac. At first it took some
> time to really figure out the mac, but now its pretty intuitive. I would
> be flat out lying if I said mac is so easy on the first try, no, not
> really folks; it does take some getting used to the different settings .
> On top of the different way it is set up, the cursor is different on the
> mac than on the PC. on the PC the cursor is to the right of the text,
> but on the mac the cursor is between the 2 letters. for instance, if you
> spelled mac the cursor on windows is to the right of the letter c and on
> the mac the cursor is between the a and c. In windows jaws would be
> saying m a c every time you arrow to the left or right which is more
> accurate when proofreading. On the mac, the cursor is between the
> letters which makes it confusing and you then end up deleting the wrong
> letter, but you can set the cursor to work like windows under the
> preferences for voiceover. It took me a while to figure the settings but
> I can now do that with no problem. The advantage of owning the mac is
> the cost effective solution and the in person technical support you
> receive with added training at there centers whereas windows you have to
> sometimes send out parts of a computer and if you need tech support you
> have to wait a long time especially if you have to deal with jaws and
> it's flukes. besides the in person tech support and servicing of parts
> between both PC and mac, on the PC you can only use the keyboard with
> jaws and thus it takes longer sometimes to complete the needed tasks
> where as on the mac you can use the trackpad as a mouse and you can
> actually press on any part of the trackpad and it will read the text on
> the screen. + navigation with the trackpad is faster and more so if you
> use the keyboard in addition to the mac. Voice over has cool voices and
> are more up to date whereas jaws have the monotone robotic voices which
> makes me personally want to fall asleep when reading tedious amounts of
> documents as a college students. I love alex because his voice is a lot
> more humanlike and has a variety of expression. In that case I would
> just say that you have to decide on what you feel more comfortable. But
> me personally after the mac i'm not looking back except when I work at
> an office using a PC but for personal use, that's a different story.
> What is your view on the use of the Mac verses PC?
>> I'm just curious to know if some of you share the same opinion or have
> something similar.
>>
>> Thank you very much.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Priscilla Garces
>> priscillagarces1987 at hotmail.com
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 27
> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 12:23:10 -0500
> From: Jorge Paez <jorgeapaez at mac.com>
> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Mac vs. PC
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> Hi Joe:
> I mainly installed Windows because of my school, and see it balances well
> with my Mac OS.
> I'm using XP SP3 though.
>
> Either way, I also got it because I want to start getting into music
> production at a very serious level and think that it'd be a good idea to
> have Windows, in case I have to go that way--or use it in conjunction with
> Mac tools.
>
> Jorge
>
>
> On Feb 23, 2011, at 12:17 PM, Joe Foster wrote:
>
>> I am one of those with both systems on my new Apple. I am finding the new
> MS
>> software a big step backwards with respect to accessibility but have
> chosen
>> to use it as my key tool simply because I have been using MS and JAWS
> since
>> the days of DOS.
>>
>> I am aware that Apple is more intuitive in many areas and plan to move
>> towards their tools slowly so that my work is not slowed down in the
>> process.
>>
>> Welcome comments from others.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Baracco, Andrew
> W
>> Sent: 22-Feb-11 12:03 PM
>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Mac vs. PC
>>
>> I joined a blind Mac users list to get an idea of how functional the Mac
>> is for blind users. And, it seems like just about everyone on that list
>> uses Windows in addition to the Mac, either by having a separate Windows
>> PC, or by using Windows on the same PC, either by using a duel boot
>> system, or by running Windows under a virtual machine. Thus one can
>> infer that, at least as far as a blind user is concerned, the Mac does
>> not afford enough functionality to use it exclusively.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of louie
>> Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 11:02 AM
>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] mac vs PC
>>
>> Got a Mac and not going back.
>>
>> On Feb 19, 2011, at 10:57 AM, Priscilla Garces wrote:
>>
>>> I'm a totally blind user of both PC and the Mac. At first it took some
>> time to really figure out the mac, but now its pretty intuitive. I would
>> be flat out lying if I said mac is so easy on the first try, no, not
>> really folks; it does take some getting used to the different settings .
>> On top of the different way it is set up, the cursor is different on the
>> mac than on the PC. on the PC the cursor is to the right of the text,
>> but on the mac the cursor is between the 2 letters. for instance, if you
>> spelled mac the cursor on windows is to the right of the letter c and on
>> the mac the cursor is between the a and c. In windows jaws would be
>> saying m a c every time you arrow to the left or right which is more
>> accurate when proofreading. On the mac, the cursor is between the
>> letters which makes it confusing and you then end up deleting the wrong
>> letter, but you can set the cursor to work like windows under the
>> preferences for voiceover. It took me a while to figure the settings but
>> I can now do that with no problem. The advantage of owning the mac is
>> the cost effective solution and the in person technical support you
>> receive with added training at there centers whereas windows you have to
>> sometimes send out parts of a computer and if you need tech support you
>> have to wait a long time especially if you have to deal with jaws and
>> it's flukes. besides the in person tech support and servicing of parts
>> between both PC and mac, on the PC you can only use the keyboard with
>> jaws and thus it takes longer sometimes to complete the needed tasks
>> where as on the mac you can use the trackpad as a mouse and you can
>> actually press on any part of the trackpad and it will read the text on
>> the screen. + navigation with the trackpad is faster and more so if you
>> use the keyboard in addition to the mac. Voice over has cool voices and
>> are more up to date whereas jaws have the monotone robotic voices which
>> makes me personally want to fall asleep when reading tedious amounts of
>> documents as a college students. I love alex because his voice is a lot
>> more humanlike and has a variety of expression. In that case I would
>> just say that you have to decide on what you feel more comfortable. But
>> me personally after the mac i'm not looking back except when I work at
>> an office using a PC but for personal use, that's a different story.
>> What is your view on the use of the Mac verses PC?
>>> I'm just curious to know if some of you share the same opinion or have
>> something similar.
>>>
>>> Thank you very much.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Priscilla Garces
>>> priscillagarces1987 at hotmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>> louiemost at wavecable.com
>>
>>
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