[Electronics-talk] Captias

Fri Apr 27 03:25:50 UTC 2012

I've had captchas keyed in for me that had spaces and even other numbers 
and characters in them that were not letters.

On Thu, 26 Apr 2012, cheez wrote:

> One problem I find is that I don't know if there are supposed to be spaces
> between letters or words in captchas.  Also, are some of the letters uppercase
> or lowercase?
> The best one I found was at a site that played a phrase from a movie or news
> report, and they had you type 3 words that you hear.  It didn't matter if they
> were in the correct order or not.  To bad that isn't a uniform practice for
> all websites.  I know I'd love it.
> Vince
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chelsey Duranleau "
> <cduranleau88 at gmail.com>
> To: <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 6:16 AM
> Subject: [Electronics-talk] Captias
> 
> 
> > Hi Julie,
> >
> > Usually what I do is put on headphones and crank up the volume really loud.
> > Usually the numbers / letters you have to type in are louder than the other
> > backwards symbols (or at least what some of them sound like to me). Hope
> > this helps! :)
> > Chelsey
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
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> >
> >   1. Keeping On Topic (David Andrews)
> >   2. Alternatives to Windws and ... [was "Re: Tissot vibrating
> >      watch [was "Re: TalkingSports Watch"]"] (Christopher Chaltain)
> >   3. Re: Keeping On Topic (Christopher Chaltain)
> >   4. Re: Tissot vibrating watch [was "Re: TalkingSports
> > Watch"]
> >      (tina birenbaum)
> >   5. Re: Alternatives to Windws and ... [was "Re: Tissot vibrating
> >      watch [was "Re: TalkingSports Watch"]"] (tina birenbaum)
> >   6. System Access (Tony Sohl)
> >   7. Re: Keeping On Topic (Jenny Keller)
> >   8. Re: Alternatives to Windws and ... [was "Re: Tissot vibrating
> >      watch [was "Re: TalkingSports Watch"]"] (Jenny Keller)
> >   9. Re: Tissot vibrating watch [was "Re: TalkingSports Watch"]
> >      (Jenny Keller)
> >  10. Re: Alternatives to Windws and ... [was "Re: Tissot vibrating
> >      watch [was "Re: TalkingSports Watch"]"] (tina birenbaum)
> >  11. Re: System Access (JULIE PHILLIPSON)
> >  12. capchas (JULIE PHILLIPSON)
> >  13. Re: Alternatives to Windws and ... [was "Re: Tissot vibrating
> >      watch [was "Re: TalkingSports Watch"]"] (Jenny Keller)
> >  14. Re: capchas (Gerald Levy)
> >  15. Re: capchas (Beverly Hunter)
> >  16. iPhone Discussions (Beverly Hunter)
> >  17. Re: capchas (Baracco, Andrew W)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 21:30:31 -0500
> > From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
> > To: electronics-talk at nfbnet.org
> > Subject: [Electronics-talk] Keeping On Topic
> > Message-ID: <auto-000057557722 at mailfront4.g2host.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
> >
> > List Members,
> >
> > Discussions of the economics of blindness, employment etc., are off
> > topic for this list.  Please keep to the proper topics, the
> > accessibility of electronics and home appliances.  Otherwise people
> > get discouraged and unsubscribe.
> >
> > David Andrews, Moderator
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 21:47:32 -0500
> > From: Christopher Chaltain <chaltain at gmail.com>
> > To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
> > <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: [Electronics-talk] Alternatives to Windws and ... [was "Re:
> > Tissot vibrating watch [was "Re: TalkingSports Watch"]"]
> > Message-ID: <4F961444.8090107 at gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >
> > For me, I run Ubuntu and use Orca/Speakup/Emacspeak on my PC, so I don't
> > pay the expensive up front costs for a Mac, and I don't have to pay for
> > Windows or a a screen reader. Another option would be NVDA, a free
> > screen reader for Windows. I guess you'd have to upgrade Windows
> > periodically, but Windows releases are supported for much more than 2
> > years, and I don't understand at all why you'd have to upgrade a PC and
> > Windows more frequently than a Mac.
> >
> > As stated before, I don't agree with the rest of your rant. I don't see
> > how a watch maker who makes a braille or vibrating watch for the blind,
> > and prices it the same as the rest of their watches, is doing anything
> > wrong. In fact, I think it's just the opposite. If more companies did
> > what Seico, Wenger and Tissot did then we'd have even more choices as
> > blind consumers. Since they're making quality watches, making
> > modifications to them so the blind can use them, and not jacking up the
> > price over their other watches, I guess you could say they're already
> > doing what you suggest because as others have said, with the lower
> > demand, they're not going to recover the additional cost in making those
> > watches accessible. Of course, I have no idea what the markup is on
> > these watches or how much it costs to make a limited run of
> > braille/vibrating watches.
> >
> > I can't speak to what other blind people get in other countries or what
> > other disability groups get in the US, so I won't even comment on that.
> > I suspect you have a lot of legitimate gripes, but if it all hinges on
> > the fact that a luxury watch maker is making a luxury watch that just
> > happens to be usable by the blind and they choose to continue to charge
> > luxury prices for their watches then I think you need to find a better
> > argument.
> >
> > On 23/04/12 19:23, Jenny Keller wrote:
> > > Well, I can tell you that I have had to use Apple products as my main
> > screen reader and cell phone because it's the only thing that doesn't cost a
> > bloody fortune every two years to update.
> > >
> > > Yes, I've had to spend more up front than the apple, but I'll be able to
> > use it much longer than any PC you can buy, and I don't have to pay hundreds
> > of dollars for screen reader updates each year.
> > >
> > > As for the watches.  Again, to get one of any quality, you gotta pay for
> > it, and to get one that looks half way decent you also have to pay quite a
> > bit of money, which makers of these adaptive aids know most of us don't
> > have.
> > >
> > > If there are such things are rich blind people, maybe they need to spread
> > some of the wealth around and help those of us who can't work have things
> > that are of better quality.  Yes, I've gotten watches and little aids from
> > the state, but they've all been of lesser quality than someone of means
> > would buy, and they don't look near as nice either.
> > >
> > > that, in my opinion, is where other countries have us beat in so many
> > ways.  they provide computers for people in australia because they know that
> > you can't live without them anymore in society, etc.
> > >
> > > the people in wheelchairs and deaf get more adaptive equipment and
> > consideration and for free than the blind and it sucks and isn't equality by
> > a long shit.
> > >
> > > sorry to rant but I'm generally frustrated with the whole situation about
> > equality for the disabled.  As far as the blind are concerned, there is no
> > such thing.
> > >
> > > Jenny
> > > On Apr 23, 2012, at 6:46 PM, Drew Hunthausen wrote:
> > >
> > > > Jenny,
> > > > I agree with everything your saying as I am a poor college student.
> > However,
> > > > you have to consider that it is very expensive to make something
> > > > specifically for the blind as we are such a small population. I
> > > > currently
> > > > cannot afford the more expensive Tissot watch, but I can understand the
> > > > merits of making a upscale watch that can both serve the blind as well
> > > > as
> > > > sited people who want to spend the money. Companies do this as to
> > > > attract
> > a
> > > > more diverse population in effort to stay in business. I also wish
> > > > things
> > > > were less expensive and we had just as many options as our sited peers.
> > > >
> > > > Drew
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> > > > [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jenny Keller
> > > > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 4:26 PM
> > > > To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
> > > > Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Tissot vibrating watch [was "Re:
> > > > TalkingSports Watch"]
> > > >
> > > > When 70 percent of the blind population is unemployed and that statistic
> > is
> > > > probably a little higher.  It is rediculous to expect us to have the
> > money
> > > > to purchase quality adaptive equipment.
> > > >
> > > > the fact is, the things the state provides are not the highest of
> > quality,
> > > > and on fixed incomes, most blind people can't afford a seco, not to
> > mention
> > > > the kind of watches you're talking about.
> > > >
> > > > I don't see anything wrong with living with your parents to save money,
> > but
> > > > for those of us who don't have that option and are barely surviving,
> > > > it's
> > a
> > > > kick in the teeth when any accessable product, watch or not, isn't
> > available
> > > > to them in any kind of quality, unless you have a job.  Which I said
> > before
> > > > since 70 percent of us are unemployed, it's a kick in the teeth.
> > > >
> > > > JMO,
> > > >
> > > > Jenny
> > > > On Apr 23, 2012, at 5:45 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I'm not sure I understand this message. There are blind people across
> > > > > the economic spectrum, so there are plenty of blind people who could
> > > > > afford to or choose to purchase such a watch, whether they live at
> > > > > home or not. Furthermore, I don't think there's anything wrong with
> > > > > someone living at home, and if they save enough on living expenses
> > > > > that they can afford such a watch, more power to them. IMHO, this is a
> > > > > personal decision that each person has to make based on their own
> > > > situation.
> > > > >
> > > > > On 23/04/12 16:13, Tone wrote:
> > > > > > yeah. not everyone lives at homewith mom and dad, and could blow 300
> > > > > > on a watch.
> > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny Keller"
> > > > > > <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
> > > > > > To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
> > > > > > <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 2:52 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Tissot vibrating watch [was "Re:
> > > > > > TalkingSports Watch"]
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Nothing is wrong with that.  I just don't think you should have to
> > > > > > > be rich to have a quality watch that doesn't scream I'M BLIND,
> > > > > > > look
> > > > > > > at me or hear me check the time.  I also don't think you should
> > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > to pay huge amounts of money to get a watch that isn't ugly, or a
> > > > > > > watch that works right when it's not.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > sorry for the rant.  I'm on a fixed income, have health problems
> > > > > > > that preclude me from working, and frankly, feel screwed out of
> > > > > > > most
> > > > > > > blindness related options because I'm not rich enough to afford
> > > > > > > them.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It doesn't work that way in other countries, and this great USA
> > > > > > > aught to follow suit.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jenny
> > > > > > > On Apr 23, 2012, at 12:25 PM, Baracco, Andrew W wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What's wrong with a blind person being rich?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Andy
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> > > > > > > > [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> > > > > > > > Christopher Chaltain
> > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 6:14 AM
> > > > > > > > To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
> > > > > > > > Subject: [Electronics-talk] Tissot vibrating watch [was "Re:
> > > > > > > > Talking Sports Watch"]
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Well, as I think I said in a previous message, I'm not sure this
> > > > > > > > watch was intended solely for the blind. I've also read that it
> > > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > meant for the businessman who didn't want to be seen checking
> > > > > > > > her
> > > > > > > > watch or the sportsman who wasn't able to look at their watches
> > > > > > > > face
> > > > for some reason.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Remember too that this is a Tissot. They aren't going to make a
> > > > > > > > cheap watch.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Finally, although a lot of blind people are on fixed incomes,
> > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > all of them are. I'm not going to say I can afford this watch
> > > > > > > > myself, but I think it's a good thing that a company that makes
> > > > > > > > quality watches, like Tissot, makes a watch that a well to do
> > > > > > > > blind
> > > > > > > > person could aspire to own someday. If someone can't afford a
> > > > > > > > Tissot, there are other options out there.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 23/04/12 07:32, Jenny Keller wrote:
> > > > > > > > > sorry, but I find it rediculous that a watch that is helpful
> > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > blind, who a lot of us are on fixed incomes, costs that much.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I guess it's for those who just have jobs and/or money to
> > > > > > > > > burn.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Jenny
> > > > > > > > > On Apr 23, 2012, at 7:11 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > As I said in the attached email, Amazon is again selling the
> > > > > > > > > > Tissot Silen-T watch. This is the watch that a blind person
> > > > > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > use to tell time by feeling vibrations on the watches face.
> > > > > > > > > > It's
> > > > > > > > > > currently selling for $470, but it was selling for $350, as
> > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > promotional deal,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > a few weeks ago.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I found it on Amazon just using Google, but if anyone wants,
> > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > can rerun my Google search and post the specific links.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I'm not sure what the Tissot Vibren watch does, but I
> > > > > > > > > > suspect the
> > > > > > > > > > poster was thinking of the Silen-T watch.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On 23/04/12 06:56, Stephen guerra wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > I believe you can only get the tissot vibrating watch from
> > > > > > > > > > > ebay
> > > > > > > > > > > as they are not actively being sold anymore and they run
> > > > > > > > > > > over
> > > > > > > > > > > $200
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > > > From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> > > > > > > > > > > Christopher Chaltain
> > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 2:20 AM
> > > > > > > > > > > To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
> > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Talking Sports Watch
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I'm not familiar with the Tissot Vibren watch, and I
> > > > > > > > > > > wasn't able
> > > > > > > > > > > to find it via Google, but in the Tissot T-Touch series,
> > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > Silen-T is
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > the accessible vibrating watch that a blind person could
> > > > > > > > > > > use.
> > > > > > > > > > > The other watches in the series vibrate, but not in a way
> > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > you could
> > > > > > > > tell the time.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The Tissot Silen-T is available again, but the $349 price
> > > > > > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > > > Amazon was a promotional price that ended at the end of
> > > > > > > > > > > March.
> > > > > > > > > > > It looks like the current price is around $469.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On 21/04/12 19:01, Alan Siman wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > It was probably the Tissot vibren watch which apparently
> > > > > > > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > > > > > come back on the market for $349.00 at amazon (I think).
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/21/2012 4:27 PM, Annette Carr wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been looking for a vibrating watch.  I came
> > > > > > > > > > > > > across one
> > > > > > > > > > > > > advertised a very long time ago that some how vibrated
> > > > > > > > > > > > > as you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ran your finger around the outside rim of the face,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > but cannot
> > > > > > > > > > > > > find it
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > any more.  I don't like talking watches because I also
> > > > > > > > > > > > > do not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > everyone to hear that I am checking the time, and many
> > > > > > > > > > > > > times I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot hear what it says because of my hearing loss.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I struggle with braille watches as I have some loss of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > feeling
> > > > > > > > > > > > > in my hands.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Annette
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > > > > > From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> > > > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jenny Keller
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 4:14 PM
> > > > > > > > > > > > > To: Discussion of accessible electronics and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > appliances
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Talking Sports Watch
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > don't ask em where, but I could swear I have seen a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > water
> > > > > > > > > > > > > resistant, or water proof sports watch.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I can't remember where cause it's been a long time
> > > > > > > > > > > > > since I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > looked for a talking watch as I hate them with a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > passion.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm 4 feet 11 inches and the faces on them are just
> > > > > > > > > > > > > too big,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > no matter where I look.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, I don't want everyone and their mother to know
> > > > > > > > > > > > > if I want
> > > > > > > > > > > > > to check the time during church or something like
> > > > > > > > > > > > > that.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I had one that I liked cause the face was blue and I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > really
> > > > > > > > > > > > > liked the way it looked, but it actually started
> > > > > > > > > > > > > running
> > > > > > > > > > > > > backwards and wouldn't sinc with the talking part, and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > quidckly after that happened the talking part went
> > > > > > > > > > > > > berserk too.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh well, I'm stuck with a braille watch.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jenny
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 21, 2012, at 6:12 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check out this inexpensive talking sports watch from
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Future
> > Aids.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > not water resistant (I don't think there are any water
> > > > > > > > > > > > > resistant talking timepieces on the market because
> > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no
> > > > > > > > > > > > > way to prevent water from penetrating the speaker),
> > > > > > > > > > > > > but at
> > > > > > > > > > > > > $14.95 with free shipping, it is a good deal.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.braillebookstore.com/view.php?T=Talking+Sports+Wat
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ch
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gerald
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Chao"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mattchao at verizon.net>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > appliances"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 7:03 AM
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Talking Sports Watch
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am also looking for same.--Matthew Chao
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 11:11 PM 4/20/2012, you wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been trying to find a high quality
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking sports
> > > > > > > > watch.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am hoping to find one that is somewhat water
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > resistant
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and am
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hoping to find something like a nice Seiko or
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > that.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would love some of the nice sports watches on
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the market
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now but they are not talking watches so I am
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unfortunately
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > still
> > > > > > > > looking.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you know of something I would really
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > appreciate it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks so much and sorry for my ramblings :)
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> > Message: 3
> > Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 21:55:32 -0500
> > From: Christopher Chaltain <chaltain at gmail.com>
> > To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
> > <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Keeping On Topic
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> >
> > Sorry David. I sent another message on the economics of blindness and PC
> > alternatives to the list. I think I was composing it when this message
> > came in. I apologize to you and the list for sending out that last
> > message and the previous messages I sent on the topic. I should have
> > realized early on that I wasn't going to change anyone's opinions, and I
> > was just going to repeat myself. I also apologize if I slighted anyone
> > or unintentionally made light of anyone's situation. Again, I apologize,
> > and I hope no one left the list due to my poor behavior.
> >
> > On 23/04/12 21:30, David Andrews wrote:
> > > List Members,
> > >
> > > Discussions of the economics of blindness, employment etc., are off
> > > topic for this list.  Please keep to the proper topics, the
> > > accessibility of electronics and home appliances.  Otherwise people get
> > > discouraged and unsubscribe.
> > >
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> > Message: 4
> > Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 23:09:55 -0400
> > From: tina birenbaum <tinabir at samobile.net>
> > To: electronics-talk at nfbnet.org
> > Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Tissot vibrating watch [was "Re:
> > TalkingSports Watch"]
> > Message-ID: c9c1314a-3ce0-4209-b34f-a0a420b38d90 at samobile.net
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed"
> >
> > These vibrating watches probably could appeal to a wider audience if
> > people botherd with marketing. I am sure someone would buy one, some
> > people who just can and like collecting stuff, others who would
> > actually use it. that would bring
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 01:01:40 -0400
> > From: tina birenbaum <tinabir at samobile.net>
> > To: electronics-talk at nfbnet.org
> > Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Alternatives to Windws and ... [was
> > "Re: Tissot vibrating watch [was "Re: TalkingSports
> > Watch"]"]
> > Message-ID: 002924b7-ae30-46f7-910c-ae682043d278 at samobile.net
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed"
> >
> > There's also system access which has a screen reader in it as well as
> > many other things in the package and best of all the company offers
> > payment plans. That's how i was able to get it. and it's very nice to
> > have life time updates that just go to all users so you don't have to
> > pay what some of the companies want just for updates.
> > Original message:
> > > For me, I run Ubuntu and use Orca/Speakup/Emacspeak on my PC, so I don't
> > > pay the expensive up front costs for a Mac, and I don't have to pay for
> > > Windows or a a screen reader. Another option would be NVDA, a free
> > > screen reader for Windows. I guess you'd have to upgrade Windows
> > > periodically, but Windows releases are supported for much more than 2
> > > years, and I don't understand at all why you'd have to upgrade a PC and
> > > Windows more frequently than a Mac.
> >
> > > As stated before, I don't agree with the rest of your rant. I don't see
> > > how a watch maker who makes a braille or vibrating watch for the blind,
> > > and prices it the same as the rest of their watches, is doing anything
> > > wrong. In fact, I think it's just the opposite. If more companies did
> > > what Seico, Wenger and Tissot did then we'd have even more choices as
> > > blind consumers. Since they're making quality watches, making
> > > modifications to them so the blind can use them, and not jacking up the
> > > price over their other watches, I guess you could say they're already
> > > doing what you suggest because as others have said, with the lower
> > > demand, they're not going to recover the additional cost in making those
> > > watches accessible. Of course, I have no idea what the markup is on
> > > these watches or how much it costs to make a limited run of
> > > braille/vibrating watches.
> >
> > > I can't speak to what other blind people get in other countries or what
> > > other disability groups get in the US, so I won't even comment on that.
> > > I suspect you have a lot of legitimate gripes, but if it all hinges on
> > > the fact that a luxury watch maker is making a luxury watch that just
> > > happens to be usable by the blind and they choose to continue to charge
> > > luxury prices for their watches then I think you need to find a better
> > > argument.
> >
> > > On 23/04/12 19:23, Jenny Keller wrote:
> > > > Well, I can tell you that I have had to use Apple products as my main
> > > > screen reader and cell phone because it's the only thing that doesn't
> > > > cost a bloody fortune every two years to update.
> >
> > > > Yes, I've had to spend more up front than the apple, but I'll be able
> > > > to use it much longer than any PC you can buy, and I don't have to pay
> > > > hundreds of dollars for screen reader updates each year.
> >
> > > > As for the watches.  Again, to get one of any quality, you gotta pay
> > > > for it, and to get one that looks half way decent you also have to pay
> > > > quite a bit of money, which makers of these adaptive aids know most of
> > > > us don't have.
> >
> > > > If there are such things are rich blind people, maybe they need to
> > > > spread some of the wealth around and help those of us who can't work
> > > > have things that are of better quality.  Yes, I've gotten watches and
> > > > little aids from the state, but they've all been of lesser quality than
> > > > someone of means would buy, and they don't look near as nice either.
> >
> > > > that, in my opinion, is where other countries have us beat in so many
> > > > ways.  they provide computers for people in australia because they know
> > > > that you can't live without them anymore in society, etc.
> >
> > > > the people in wheelchairs and deaf get more adaptive equipment and
> > > > consideration and for free than the blind and it sucks and isn't
> > > > equality by a long shit.
> >
> > > > sorry to rant but I'm generally frustrated with the whole situation
> > > > about equality for the disabled.  As far as the blind are concerned,
> > > > there is no such thing.
> >
> > > > Jenny
> > > > On Apr 23, 2012, at 6:46 PM, Drew Hunthausen wrote:
> >
> > > > > Jenny,
> > > > > I agree with everything your saying as I am a poor college student.
> > However,
> > > > > you have to consider that it is very expensive to make something
> > > > > specifically for the blind as we are such a small population. I
> > currently
> > > > > cannot afford the more expensive Tissot watch, but I can understand
> > > > > the
> > > > > merits of making a upscale watch that can both serve the blind as well
> > as
> > > > > sited people who want to spend the money. Companies do this as to
> > attract a
> > > > > more diverse population in effort to stay in business. I also wish
> > things
> > > > > were less expensive and we had just as many options as our sited
> > > > > peers.
> >
> > > > > Drew
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> > > > > [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jenny Keller
> > > > > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 4:26 PM
> > > > > To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Tissot vibrating watch [was "Re:
> > > > > TalkingSports Watch"]
> >
> > > > > When 70 percent of the blind population is unemployed and that
> > > > > statistic
> > is
> > > > > probably a little higher.  It is rediculous to expect us to have the
> > money
> > > > > to purchase quality adaptive equipment.
> >
> > > > > the fact is, the things the state provides are not the highest of
> > quality,
> > > > > and on fixed incomes, most blind people can't afford a seco, not to
> > mention
> > > > > the kind of watches you're talking about.
> >
> > > > > I don't see anything wrong with living with your parents to save
> > > > > money,
> > but
> > > > > for those of us who don't have that option and are barely surviving,
> > it's a
> > > > > kick in the teeth when any accessable product, watch or not, isn't
> > available
> > > > > to them in any kind of quality, unless you have a job.  Which I said
> > before
> > > > > since 70 percent of us are unemployed, it's a kick in the teeth.
> >
> > > > > JMO,
> >
> > > > > Jenny
> > > > > On Apr 23, 2012, at 5:45 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
> >
> > > > > > I'm not sure I understand this message. There are blind people
> > > > > > across
> > > > > > the economic spectrum, so there are plenty of blind people who could
> > > > > > afford to or choose to purchase such a watch, whether they live at
> > > > > > home or not. Furthermore, I don't think there's anything wrong with
> > > > > > someone living at home, and if they save enough on living expenses
> > > > > > that they can afford such a watch, more power to them. IMHO, this is
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > personal decision that each person has to make based on their own
> > > > > situation.
> >
> > > > > > On 23/04/12 16:13, Tone wrote:
> > > > > > > yeah. not everyone lives at homewith mom and dad, and could blow
> > > > > > > 300
> > > > > > > on a watch.
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny Keller"
> > > > > > > <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
> > > > > > > To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
> > > > > > > <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 2:52 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Tissot vibrating watch [was "Re:
> > > > > > > TalkingSports Watch"]
> >
> >
> > > > > > > > Nothing is wrong with that.  I just don't think you should have
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > be rich to have a quality watch that doesn't scream I'M BLIND,
> > > > > > > > look
> > > > > > > > at me or hear me check the time.  I also don't think you should
> > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > to pay huge amounts of money to get a watch that isn't ugly, or
> > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > watch that works right when it's not.
> >
> > > > > > > > sorry for the rant.  I'm on a fixed income, have health problems
> > > > > > > > that preclude me from working, and frankly, feel screwed out of
> > > > > > > > most
> > > > > > > > blindness related options because I'm not rich enough to afford
> > > > > > > > them.
> >
> > > > > > > > It doesn't work that way in other countries, and this great USA
> > > > > > > > aught to follow suit.
> >
> > > > > > > > Jenny
> > > > > > > > On Apr 23, 2012, at 12:25 PM, Baracco, Andrew W wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > What's wrong with a blind person being rich?
> >
> > > > > > > > > Andy
> >
> >
> > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> > > > > > > > > [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> > > > > > > > > Christopher Chaltain
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 6:14 AM
> > > > > > > > > To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
> > > > > > > > > Subject: [Electronics-talk] Tissot vibrating watch [was "Re:
> > > > > > > > > Talking Sports Watch"]
> >
> > > > > > > > > Well, as I think I said in a previous message, I'm not sure
> > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > watch was intended solely for the blind. I've also read that
> > > > > > > > > it was
> > > > > > > > > meant for the businessman who didn't want to be seen checking
> > > > > > > > > her
> > > > > > > > > watch or the sportsman who wasn't able to look at their
> > > > > > > > > watches face
> > > > > for some reason.
> >
> > > > > > > > > Remember too that this is a Tissot. They aren't going to make
> > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > cheap watch.
> >
> > > > > > > > > Finally, although a lot of blind people are on fixed incomes,
> > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > all of them are. I'm not going to say I can afford this watch
> > > > > > > > > myself, but I think it's a good thing that a company that
> > > > > > > > > makes
> > > > > > > > > quality watches, like Tissot, makes a watch that a well to do
> > > > > > > > > blind
> > > > > > > > > person could aspire to own someday. If someone can't afford a
> > > > > > > > > Tissot, there are other options out there.
> >
> > > > > > > > > On 23/04/12 07:32, Jenny Keller wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > sorry, but I find it rediculous that a watch that is helpful
> > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > blind, who a lot of us are on fixed incomes, costs that much.
> >
> >
> > > > > > > > > > I guess it's for those who just have jobs and/or money to
> > > > > > > > > > burn.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > Jenny
> > > > > > > > > > On Apr 23, 2012, at 7:11 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > As I said in the attached email, Amazon is again selling
> > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > Tissot Silen-T watch. This is the watch that a blind
> > > > > > > > > > > person can
> > > > > > > > > > > use to tell time by feeling vibrations on the watches
> > > > > > > > > > > face. It's
> > > > > > > > > > > currently selling for $470, but it was selling for $350,
> > > > > > > > > > > as a
> > > > > > > > > > > promotional deal,
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > a few weeks ago.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > I found it on Amazon just using Google, but if anyone
> > > > > > > > > > > wants, I
> > > > > > > > > > > can rerun my Google search and post the specific links.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > I'm not sure what the Tissot Vibren watch does, but I
> > > > > > > > > > > suspect the
> > > > > > > > > > > poster was thinking of the Silen-T watch.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > On 23/04/12 06:56, Stephen guerra wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > I believe you can only get the tissot vibrating watch
> > > > > > > > > > > > from ebay
> > > > > > > > > > > > as they are not actively being sold anymore and they run
> > > > > > > > > > > > over
> > > > > > > > > > > > $200
> >
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > > > > From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> > > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> > > > > > > > > > > > Of
> > > > > > > > > > > > Christopher Chaltain
> > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 2:20 AM
> > > > > > > > > > > > To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
> > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Talking Sports Watch
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not familiar with the Tissot Vibren watch, and I
> > > > > > > > > > > > wasn't able
> > > > > > > > > > > > to find it via Google, but in the Tissot T-Touch series,
> > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > Silen-T is
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > the accessible vibrating watch that a blind person could
> > > > > > > > > > > > use.
> > > > > > > > > > > > The other watches in the series vibrate, but not in a
> > > > > > > > > > > > way that
> > > > > > > > > > > > you could
> > > > > > > > > tell the time.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > The Tissot Silen-T is available again, but the $349
> > > > > > > > > > > > price from
> > > > > > > > > > > > Amazon was a promotional price that ended at the end of
> > > > > > > > > > > > March.
> > > > > > > > > > > > It looks like the current price is around $469.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > On 21/04/12 19:01, Alan Siman wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > It was probably the Tissot vibren watch which
> > > > > > > > > > > > > apparently has
> > > > > > > > > > > > > come back on the market for $349.00 at amazon (I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > think).
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/21/2012 4:27 PM, Annette Carr wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been looking for a vibrating watch.  I came
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > across one
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > advertised a very long time ago that some how
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > vibrated as you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ran your finger around the outside rim of the face,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > but cannot
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > find it
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > any more.  I don't like talking watches because I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > also do not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > like
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > everyone to hear that I am checking the time, and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > many times I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot hear what it says because of my hearing loss.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I struggle with braille watches as I have some loss
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of feeling
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in my hands.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Annette
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Behalf Of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jenny Keller
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 4:14 PM
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: Discussion of accessible electronics and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > appliances
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Talking Sports Watch
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't ask em where, but I could swear I have seen a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > water
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > resistant, or water proof sports watch.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can't remember where cause it's been a long time
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > since I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > looked for a talking watch as I hate them with a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > passion.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm 4 feet 11 inches and the faces on them are just
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > too big,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > no matter where I look.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, I don't want everyone and their mother to know
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > if I want
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to check the time during church or something like
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had one that I liked cause the face was blue and I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > really
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > liked the way it looked, but it actually started
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > running
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > backwards and wouldn't sinc with the talking part,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > quidckly after that happened the talking part went
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > berserk too.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh well, I'm stuck with a braille watch.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jenny
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 21, 2012, at 6:12 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check out this inexpensive talking sports watch
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from Future
> > Aids.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > not water resistant (I don't think there are any
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > water
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > resistant talking timepieces on the market because
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > way to prevent water from penetrating the speaker),
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > but at
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > $14.95 with free shipping, it is a good deal.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.braillebookstore.com/view.php?T=Talking+Sports+Wat
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ch
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gerald
> >
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Chao"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mattchao at verizon.net>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > appliances"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 7:03 AM
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Talking Sports
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Watch
> >
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am also looking for same.--Matthew Chao
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 11:11 PM 4/20/2012, you wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been trying to find a high quality
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking sports
> > > > > > > > > watch.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am hoping to find one that is somewhat water
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > resistant
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and am
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hoping to find something like a nice Seiko or
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > that.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would love some of the nice sports watches
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on the market
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now but they are not talking watches so I am
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unfortunately
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > still
> > > > > > > > > looking.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you know of something I would really
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > appreciate it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks so much and sorry for my ramblings :)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Linnie
> >
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> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 23:07:43 -0700
> > From: "Tony Sohl" <tonysohl at cox.net>
> > To: <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: [Electronics-talk] System Access
> > Message-ID: <D226C6E0C9A5488BA093ED2186C7F64C at melissac300ff8>
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> >
> > Does the company offer a demo to try for 30 days or can I order a disc from
> > and does it conflict with other software programs? How does it do with
> > Captuas??
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 7
> > Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 07:39:34 -0500
> > From: Jenny Keller <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
> > To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
> > <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Keeping On Topic
> > Message-ID: <7CED81DF-B033-4105-A4A9-4E6D90A526B0 at gmail.com>
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> >
> > Sorry,
> >
> > It was nt fault.  Please except my sincerest apology.
> >
> >
> > Jenny
> > On Apr 23, 2012, at 9:30 PM, David Andrews wrote:
> >
> > > List Members,
> > >
> > > Discussions of the economics of blindness, employment etc., are off topic
> > for this list.  Please keep to the proper topics, the accessibility of
> > electronics and home appliances.  Otherwise people get discouraged and
> > unsubscribe.
> > >
> > > David Andrews, Moderator
> > >
> > >
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 8
> > Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 07:49:11 -0500
> > From: Jenny Keller <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
> > To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
> > <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Alternatives to Windws and ... [was
> > "Re: Tissot vibrating watch [was "Re: TalkingSports
> > Watch"]"]
> > Message-ID: <0F5352D1-237F-412D-BEA0-4ACE6D34024C at gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >
> > I supposedly have SA and am still making payments on it but it's not working
> > on any of our PC's or the thumb drive.
> >
> > I have to call them this week and find out why, or tell them that my payment
> > contract is null and void since it hasn't worked in almost a year.
> >
> > Jenny
> > On Apr 24, 2012, at 12:01 AM, tina birenbaum wrote:
> >
> > > There's also system access which has a screen reader in it as well as many
> > other things in the package and best of all the company offers payment
> > plans. That's how i was able to get it. and it's very nice to have life time
> > updates that just go to all users so you don't have to pay what some of the
> > companies want just for updates.
> > > Original message:
> > > > For me, I run Ubuntu and use Orca/Speakup/Emacspeak on my PC, so I don't
> > > > pay the expensive up front costs for a Mac, and I don't have to pay for
> > > > Windows or a a screen reader. Another option would be NVDA, a free
> > > > screen reader for Windows. I guess you'd have to upgrade Windows
> > > > periodically, but Windows releases are supported for much more than 2
> > > > years, and I don't understand at all why you'd have to upgrade a PC and
> > > > Windows more frequently than a Mac.
> > >
> > > > As stated before, I don't agree with the rest of your rant. I don't see
> > > > how a watch maker who makes a braille or vibrating watch for the blind,
> > > > and prices it the same as the rest of their watches, is doing anything
> > > > wrong. In fact, I think it's just the opposite. If more companies did
> > > > what Seico, Wenger and Tissot did then we'd have even more choices as
> > > > blind consumers. Since they're making quality watches, making
> > > > modifications to them so the blind can use them, and not jacking up the
> > > > price over their other watches, I guess you could say they're already
> > > > doing what you suggest because as others have said, with the lower
> > > > demand, they're not going to recover the additional cost in making those
> > > > watches accessible. Of course, I have no idea what the markup is on
> > > > these watches or how much it costs to make a limited run of
> > > > braille/vibrating watches.
> > >
> > > > I can't speak to what other blind people get in other countries or what
> > > > other disability groups get in the US, so I won't even comment on that.
> > > > I suspect you have a lot of legitimate gripes, but if it all hinges on
> > > > the fact that a luxury watch maker is making a luxury watch that just
> > > > happens to be usable by the blind and they choose to continue to charge
> > > > luxury prices for their watches then I think you need to find a better
> > > > argument.
> > >
> > > > On 23/04/12 19:23, Jenny Keller wrote:
> > > > > Well, I can tell you that I have had to use Apple products as my main
> > screen reader and cell phone because it's the only thing that doesn't cost a
> > bloody fortune every two years to update.
> > >
> > > > > Yes, I've had to spend more up front than the apple, but I'll be able
> > > > > to
> > use it much longer than any PC you can buy, and I don't have to pay hundreds
> > of dollars for screen reader updates each year.
> > >
> > > > > As for the watches.  Again, to get one of any quality, you gotta pay
> > > > > for
> > it, and to get one that looks half way decent you also have to pay quite a
> > bit of money, which makers of these adaptive aids know most of us don't
> > have.
> > >
> > > > > If there are such things are rich blind people, maybe they need to
> > spread some of the wealth around and help those of us who can't work have
> > things that are of better quality.  Yes, I've gotten watches and little aids
> > from the state, but they've all been of lesser quality than someone of means
> > would buy, and they don't look near as nice either.
> > >
> > > > > that, in my opinion, is where other countries have us beat in so many
> > ways.  they provide computers for people in australia because they know that
> > you can't live without them anymore in society, etc.
> > >
> > > > > the people in wheelchairs and deaf get more adaptive equipment and
> > consideration and for free than the blind and it sucks and isn't equality by
> > a long shit.
> > >
> > > > > sorry to rant but I'm generally frustrated with the whole situation
> > about equality for the disabled.  As far as the blind are concerned, there
> > is no such thing.
> > >
> > > > > Jenny
> > > > > On Apr 23, 2012, at 6:46 PM, Drew Hunthausen wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > Jenny,
> > > > > > I agree with everything your saying as I am a poor college student.
> > However,
> > > > > > you have to consider that it is very expensive to make something
> > > > > > specifically for the blind as we are such a small population. I
> > currently
> > > > > > cannot afford the more expensive Tissot watch, but I can understand
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > merits of making a upscale watch that can both serve the blind as
> > > > > > well
> > as
> > > > > > sited people who want to spend the money. Companies do this as to
> > attract a
> > > > > > more diverse population in effort to stay in business. I also wish
> > things
> > > > > > were less expensive and we had just as many options as our sited
> > > > > > peers.
> > >
> > > > > > Drew
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> > > > > > [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jenny
> > > > > > Keller
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 4:26 PM
> > > > > > To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Tissot vibrating watch [was "Re:
> > > > > > TalkingSports Watch"]
> > >
> > > > > > When 70 percent of the blind population is unemployed and that
> > statistic is
> > > > > > probably a little higher.  It is rediculous to expect us to have the
> > money
> > > > > > to purchase quality adaptive equipment.
> > >
> > > > > > the fact is, the things the state provides are not the highest of
> > quality,
> > > > > > and on fixed incomes, most blind people can't afford a seco, not to
> > mention
> > > > > > the kind of watches you're talking about.
> > >
> > > > > > I don't see anything wrong with living with your parents to save
> > > > > > money,
> > but
> > > > > > for those of us who don't have that option and are barely surviving,
> > it's a
> > > > > > kick in the teeth when any accessable product, watch or not, isn't
> > available
> > > > > > to them in any kind of quality, unless you have a job.  Which I said
> > before
> > > > > > since 70 percent of us are unemployed, it's a kick in the teeth.
> > >
> > > > > > JMO,
> > >
> > > > > > Jenny
> > > > > > On Apr 23, 2012, at 5:45 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > > I'm not sure I understand this message. There are blind people
> > > > > > > across
> > > > > > > the economic spectrum, so there are plenty of blind people who
> > > > > > > could
> > > > > > > afford to or choose to purchase such a watch, whether they live at
> > > > > > > home or not. Furthermore, I don't think there's anything wrong
> > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > someone living at home, and if they save enough on living expenses
> > > > > > > that they can afford such a watch, more power to them. IMHO, this
> > > > > > > is a
> > > > > > > personal decision that each person has to make based on their own
> > > > > > situation.
> > >
> > > > > > > On 23/04/12 16:13, Tone wrote:
> > > > > > > > yeah. not everyone lives at homewith mom and dad, and could blow
> > > > > > > > 300
> > > > > > > > on a watch.
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny Keller"
> > > > > > > > <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
> > > > > > > > <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 2:52 PM
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Tissot vibrating watch [was "Re:
> > > > > > > > TalkingSports Watch"]
> > >
> > >
> > > > > > > > > Nothing is wrong with that.  I just don't think you should
> > > > > > > > > have to
> > > > > > > > > be rich to have a quality watch that doesn't scream I'M BLIND,
> > > > > > > > > look
> > > > > > > > > at me or hear me check the time.  I also don't think you
> > > > > > > > > should have
> > > > > > > > > to pay huge amounts of money to get a watch that isn't ugly,
> > > > > > > > > or a
> > > > > > > > > watch that works right when it's not.
> > >
> > > > > > > > > sorry for the rant.  I'm on a fixed income, have health
> > > > > > > > > problems
> > > > > > > > > that preclude me from working, and frankly, feel screwed out
> > > > > > > > > of most
> > > > > > > > > blindness related options because I'm not rich enough to
> > > > > > > > > afford
> > them.
> > >
> > > > > > > > > It doesn't work that way in other countries, and this great
> > > > > > > > > USA
> > > > > > > > > aught to follow suit.
> > >
> > > > > > > > > Jenny
> > > > > > > > > On Apr 23, 2012, at 12:25 PM, Baracco, Andrew W wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > What's wrong with a blind person being rich?
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > Andy
> > >
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > > From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> > > > > > > > > > [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> > > > > > > > > > Christopher Chaltain
> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 6:14 AM
> > > > > > > > > > To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: [Electronics-talk] Tissot vibrating watch [was "Re:
> > > > > > > > > > Talking Sports Watch"]
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > Well, as I think I said in a previous message, I'm not sure
> > > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > watch was intended solely for the blind. I've also read that
> > > > > > > > > > it was
> > > > > > > > > > meant for the businessman who didn't want to be seen
> > > > > > > > > > checking her
> > > > > > > > > > watch or the sportsman who wasn't able to look at their
> > > > > > > > > > watches
> > face
> > > > > > for some reason.
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > Remember too that this is a Tissot. They aren't going to
> > > > > > > > > > make a
> > > > > > > > > > cheap watch.
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > Finally, although a lot of blind people are on fixed
> > > > > > > > > > incomes, not
> > > > > > > > > > all of them are. I'm not going to say I can afford this
> > > > > > > > > > watch
> > > > > > > > > > myself, but I think it's a good thing that a company that
> > > > > > > > > > makes
> > > > > > > > > > quality watches, like Tissot, makes a watch that a well to
> > > > > > > > > > do blind
> > > > > > > > > > person could aspire to own someday. If someone can't afford
> > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > Tissot, there are other options out there.
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > On 23/04/12 07:32, Jenny Keller wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > sorry, but I find it rediculous that a watch that is
> > > > > > > > > > > helpful for
> > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > blind, who a lot of us are on fixed incomes, costs that
> > > > > > > > > > much.
> > >
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I guess it's for those who just have jobs and/or money to
> > > > > > > > > > > burn.
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Jenny
> > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 23, 2012, at 7:11 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > As I said in the attached email, Amazon is again selling
> > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > Tissot Silen-T watch. This is the watch that a blind
> > > > > > > > > > > > person can
> > > > > > > > > > > > use to tell time by feeling vibrations on the watches
> > > > > > > > > > > > face. It's
> > > > > > > > > > > > currently selling for $470, but it was selling for $350,
> > > > > > > > > > > > as a
> > > > > > > > > > > > promotional deal,
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > a few weeks ago.
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I found it on Amazon just using Google, but if anyone
> > > > > > > > > > > > wants, I
> > > > > > > > > > > > can rerun my Google search and post the specific links.
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not sure what the Tissot Vibren watch does, but I
> > > > > > > > > > > > suspect the
> > > > > > > > > > > > poster was thinking of the Silen-T watch.
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > On 23/04/12 06:56, Stephen guerra wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe you can only get the tissot vibrating watch
> > > > > > > > > > > > > from ebay
> > > > > > > > > > > > > as they are not actively being sold anymore and they
> > > > > > > > > > > > > run over
> > > > > > > > > > > > > $200
> > >
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > > > > > From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> > > > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Christopher Chaltain
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 2:20 AM
> > > > > > > > > > > > > To: Discussion of accessible electronics and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > appliances
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Talking Sports Watch
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not familiar with the Tissot Vibren watch, and I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > wasn't able
> > > > > > > > > > > > > to find it via Google, but in the Tissot T-Touch
> > > > > > > > > > > > > series, the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Silen-T is
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > the accessible vibrating watch that a blind person
> > > > > > > > > > > > > could use.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > The other watches in the series vibrate, but not in a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > way that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > you could
> > > > > > > > > > tell the time.
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > The Tissot Silen-T is available again, but the $349
> > > > > > > > > > > > > price from
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Amazon was a promotional price that ended at the end
> > > > > > > > > > > > > of March.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > It looks like the current price is around $469.
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On 21/04/12 19:01, Alan Siman wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was probably the Tissot vibren watch which
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > apparently has
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > come back on the market for $349.00 at amazon (I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > think).
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/21/2012 4:27 PM, Annette Carr wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been looking for a vibrating watch.  I came
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > across one
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > advertised a very long time ago that some how
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vibrated as you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ran your finger around the outside rim of the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > face, but cannot
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find it
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any more.  I don't like talking watches because I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also do not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > everyone to hear that I am checking the time, and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many times I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot hear what it says because of my hearing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loss.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I struggle with braille watches as I have some
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loss of feeling
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in my hands.
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Annette
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Behalf Of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jenny Keller
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 4:14 PM
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: Discussion of accessible electronics and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > appliances
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Talking Sports
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Watch
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't ask em where, but I could swear I have seen
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a water
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > resistant, or water proof sports watch.
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can't remember where cause it's been a long time
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > looked for a talking watch as I hate them with a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > passion.
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm 4 feet 11 inches and the faces on them are
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just too big,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no matter where I look.
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, I don't want everyone and their mother to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know if I want
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to check the time during church or something like
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that.
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had one that I liked cause the face was blue and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I really
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > liked the way it looked, but it actually started
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > running
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > backwards and wouldn't sinc with the talking part,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quidckly after that happened the talking part went
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > berserk
> > too.
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh well, I'm stuck with a braille watch.
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jenny
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 21, 2012, at 6:12 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check out this inexpensive talking sports watch
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from Future
> > Aids.
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not water resistant (I don't think there are any
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > water
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > resistant talking timepieces on the market because
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > way to prevent water from penetrating the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > speaker), but at
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > $14.95 with free shipping, it is a good deal.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.braillebookstore.com/view.php?T=Talking+Sports+Wat
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ch
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gerald
> > >
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chao"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mattchao at verizon.net>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > appliances"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 7:03 AM
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Talking Sports
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Watch
> > >
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am also looking for same.--Matthew Chao
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 11:11 PM 4/20/2012, you wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been trying to find a high quality
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking sports
> > > > > > > > > > watch.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am hoping to find one that is somewhat
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > water resistant
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and am
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hoping to find something like a nice Seiko
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or something
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > > that.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would love some of the nice sports watches
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on the market
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now but they are not talking watches so I am
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unfortunately
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > still
> > > > > > > > > > looking.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you know of something I would really
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > appreciate it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks so much and sorry for my ramblings :)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Linnie
> > >
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> > Message: 9
> > Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 07:55:50 -0500
> > From: Jenny Keller <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
> > To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
> > <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Tissot vibrating watch [was "Re:
> > TalkingSports Watch"]
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> > Sorry to disappoint you, but I have medical issues that don't allow me to
> > get a job.  Not just blindness.
> >
> > Jenny
> > On Apr 23, 2012, at 7:55 PM, Steve Deeley wrote:
> >
> > > Jenny do not rely on the government or state to find equality for you. You
> > must go out and find your own by getting a job so that you can buy nice
> > things that look good and work great. Steve
> > >
> > > Sent from Steve Deeley's iPhone
> > >
> > >
> > > On Apr 23, 2012, at 8:31 PM, Jenny Keller <jlperdue3 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Yeah, I have too, cause I think there is no agreement here.
> > > >
> > > > I don't think that its wrong to buy a nice watch if you have the money.
> > It's just for those of us who haven't, for most of their life, and have had
> > to except the lowest quality and the ugliest watches and other aids that
> > didn't work as well as the higher quality aids simply because they have
> > issues that keep them from working, and the companies know this and so do
> > the state agencies, that spend as little as possible and then think they are
> > so great because they did something great for the blind should be ashamed of
> > themselves.
> > > >
> > > > As far as the companies that make watches or any other adaptable
> > equipment or not, as seco for example.  they make enough money that they
> > could give those of us with fixed incomes a break if it didn't come down to
> > the all mighty dollar.
> > > >
> > > > I'll no longer continue this post because we're not getting anywhere.
> > > >
> > > > JMO,
> > > >
> > > > Jenny
> > > > On Apr 23, 2012, at 7:07 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Well, I don't think it's a kick in the teeth. I don't think the Seico
> > > > > braille watches are significantly more expensive than the Seico watch
> > > > > a
> > > > > sighted person would buy. Ditto for the Wenger or the Tissot watches.
> > > > > I
> > > > > don't think it would be right for us to get a watch that a sighted
> > > > > person would pay $100 for for say something like $30, or whatever you
> > > > > think a watch should cost. Maybe I haven't looked at enough watches,
> > > > > but
> > > > > I don't think Seico, Wenger or Tissot put out a braille or vibrating
> > > > > watch for the blind and then jacked up the price. I think these three
> > > > > companies make nicer watches and that's what they cost, whether you're
> > > > > blind or not.
> > > > >
> > > > > To be honest, I'm not sure what the problem is here. Not every sighted
> > > > > person can afford every watch out there. Why wouldn't that also be
> > > > > true
> > > > > for the blind? Are you saying that since some blind people can't
> > > > > afford
> > > > > a luxury watch than no one should be able to buy such a watch?
> > > > >
> > > > > When I was younger, I'd get the cheapest braille watch I could find. I
> > > > > don't know what I spent, but they never lasted me more than a few
> > > > > years.
> > > > > In the last 30 years, I've had two Seico watches. I paid between $100
> > > > > and $150 for them, so they cost me less than $10 a year, which I'm
> > > > > pretty sure was less than I was paying when I was buying cheaper
> > watches.
> > > > >
> > > > > When I bought my wife a nice watch for a birthday or anniversary, I
> > > > > paid
> > > > > as much as I have for either of my Seico's, and she isn't blind. My
> > > > > understanding is that good watches will cost a couple of hundred
> > > > > dollars
> > > > > whether you're sighted or not.
> > > > >
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> > Message: 10
> > Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 09:23:43 -0400
> > From: tina birenbaum <tinabir at samobile.net>
> > To: electronics-talk at nfbnet.org
> > Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Alternatives to Windws and ... [was
> > "Re: Tissot vibrating watch [was "Re: TalkingSports
> > Watch"]"]
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> >
> > Yes, call them. I've used it on multiple computers and my flash drive
> > which i need to update with no problem and I'm sure they can help you
> > figure it out.
> > Original message:
> > > I supposedly have SA and am still making payments on it but it's not
> > > working on any of our PC's or the thumb drive.
> >
> > > I have to call them this week and find out why, or tell them that my
> > > payment contract is null and void since it hasn't worked in almost a year.
> >
> > > Jenny
> > > On Apr 24, 2012, at 12:01 AM, tina birenbaum wrote:
> >
> > > > There's also system access which has a screen reader in it as well as
> > > > many other things in the package and best of all the company offers
> > > > payment plans. That's how i was able to get it. and it's very nice to
> > > > have life time updates that just go to all users so you don't have to
> > > > pay what some of the companies want just for updates.
> > > > Original message:
> > > > > For me, I run Ubuntu and use Orca/Speakup/Emacspeak on my PC, so I
> > > > > don't
> > > > > pay the expensive up front costs for a Mac, and I don't have to pay
> > > > > for
> > > > > Windows or a a screen reader. Another option would be NVDA, a free
> > > > > screen reader for Windows. I guess you'd have to upgrade Windows
> > > > > periodically, but Windows releases are supported for much more than 2
> > > > > years, and I don't understand at all why you'd have to upgrade a PC
> > > > > and
> > > > > Windows more frequently than a Mac.
> >
> > > > > As stated before, I don't agree with the rest of your rant. I don't
> > > > > see
> > > > > how a watch maker who makes a braille or vibrating watch for the
> > > > > blind,
> > > > > and prices it the same as the rest of their watches, is doing anything
> > > > > wrong. In fact, I think it's just the opposite. If more companies did
> > > > > what Seico, Wenger and Tissot did then we'd have even more choices as
> > > > > blind consumers. Since they're making quality watches, making
> > > > > modifications to them so the blind can use them, and not jacking up
> > > > > the
> > > > > price over their other watches, I guess you could say they're already
> > > > > doing what you suggest because as others have said, with the lower
> > > > > demand, they're not going to recover the additional cost in making
> > > > > those
> > > > > watches accessible. Of course, I have no idea what the markup is on
> > > > > these watches or how much it costs to make a limited run of
> > > > > braille/vibrating watches.
> >
> > > > > I can't speak to what other blind people get in other countries or
> > > > > what
> > > > > other disability groups get in the US, so I won't even comment on
> > > > > that.
> > > > > I suspect you have a lot of legitimate gripes, but if it all hinges on
> > > > > the fact that a luxury watch maker is making a luxury watch that just
> > > > > happens to be usable by the blind and they choose to continue to
> > > > > charge
> > > > > luxury prices for their watches then I think you need to find a better
> > > > > argument.
> >
> > > > > On 23/04/12 19:23, Jenny Keller wrote:
> > > > > > Well, I can tell you that I have had to use Apple products as my
> > > > > > main
> > > > > > screen reader and cell phone because it's the only thing that
> > > > > > doesn't
> > > > > > cost a bloody fortune every two years to update.
> >
> > > > > > Yes, I've had to spend more up front than the apple, but I'll be
> > > > > > able
> > > > > > to use it much longer than any PC you can buy, and I don't have to
> > > > > > pay
> > > > > > hundreds of dollars for screen reader updates each year.
> >
> > > > > > As for the watches.  Again, to get one of any quality, you gotta pay
> > > > > > for it, and to get one that looks half way decent you also have to
> > > > > > pay
> > > > > > quite a bit of money, which makers of these adaptive aids know most
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > us don't have.
> >
> > > > > > If there are such things are rich blind people, maybe they need to
> > > > > > spread some of the wealth around and help those of us who can't work
> > > > > > have things that are of better quality.  Yes, I've gotten watches
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > little aids from the state, but they've all been of lesser quality
> > > > > > than
> >
> > > > > > someone of means would buy, and they don't look near as nice either.
> >
> > > > > > that, in my opinion, is where other countries have us beat in so
> > > > > > many
> > > > > > ways.  they provide computers for people in australia because they
> > > > > > know
> >
> > > > > > that you can't live without them anymore in society, etc.
> >
> > > > > > the people in wheelchairs and deaf get more adaptive equipment and
> > > > > > consideration and for free than the blind and it sucks and isn't
> > > > > > equality by a long shit.
> >
> > > > > > sorry to rant but I'm generally frustrated with the whole situation
> > > > > > about equality for the disabled.  As far as the blind are concerned,
> > > > > > there is no such thing.
> >
> > > > > > Jenny
> > > > > > On Apr 23, 2012, at 6:46 PM, Drew Hunthausen wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > Jenny,
> > > > > > > I agree with everything your saying as I am a poor college
> > > > > > > student.
> > However,
> > > > > > > you have to consider that it is very expensive to make something
> > > > > > > specifically for the blind as we are such a small population. I
> > currently
> > > > > > > cannot afford the more expensive Tissot watch, but I can
> > > > > > > understand
> > the
> > > > > > > merits of making a upscale watch that can both serve the blind as
> > > > > > > well
> > as
> > > > > > > sited people who want to spend the money. Companies do this as to
> > attract a
> > > > > > > more diverse population in effort to stay in business. I also wish
> > things
> > > > > > > were less expensive and we had just as many options as our sited
> > peers.
> >
> > > > > > > Drew
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> > > > > > > [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jenny
> > > > > > > Keller
> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 4:26 PM
> > > > > > > To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Tissot vibrating watch [was "Re:
> > > > > > > TalkingSports Watch"]
> >
> > > > > > > When 70 percent of the blind population is unemployed and that
> > statistic is
> > > > > > > probably a little higher.  It is rediculous to expect us to have
> > > > > > > the
> > money
> > > > > > > to purchase quality adaptive equipment.
> >
> > > > > > > the fact is, the things the state provides are not the highest of
> > quality,
> > > > > > > and on fixed incomes, most blind people can't afford a seco, not
> > > > > > > to
> > mention
> > > > > > > the kind of watches you're talking about.
> >
> > > > > > > I don't see anything wrong with living with your parents to save
> > money, but
> > > > > > > for those of us who don't have that option and are barely
> > > > > > > surviving,
> > it's a
> > > > > > > kick in the teeth when any accessable product, watch or not, isn't
> > available
> > > > > > > to them in any kind of quality, unless you have a job.  Which I
> > > > > > > said
> > before
> > > > > > > since 70 percent of us are unemployed, it's a kick in the teeth.
> >
> > > > > > > JMO,
> >
> > > > > > > Jenny
> > > > > > > On Apr 23, 2012, at 5:45 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > I'm not sure I understand this message. There are blind people
> > > > > > > > across
> > > > > > > > the economic spectrum, so there are plenty of blind people who
> > > > > > > > could
> > > > > > > > afford to or choose to purchase such a watch, whether they live
> > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > home or not. Furthermore, I don't think there's anything wrong
> > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > someone living at home, and if they save enough on living
> > > > > > > > expenses
> > > > > > > > that they can afford such a watch, more power to them. IMHO,
> > > > > > > > this is
> > a
> > > > > > > > personal decision that each person has to make based on their
> > > > > > > > own
> > > > > > > situation.
> >
> > > > > > > > On 23/04/12 16:13, Tone wrote:
> > > > > > > > > yeah. not everyone lives at homewith mom and dad, and could
> > > > > > > > > blow 300
> > > > > > > > > on a watch.
> > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny Keller"
> > > > > > > > > <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
> > > > > > > > > <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 2:52 PM
> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Tissot vibrating watch [was
> > > > > > > > > "Re:
> > > > > > > > > TalkingSports Watch"]
> >
> >
> > > > > > > > > > Nothing is wrong with that.  I just don't think you should
> > > > > > > > > > have to
> > > > > > > > > > be rich to have a quality watch that doesn't scream I'M
> > > > > > > > > > BLIND, look
> > > > > > > > > > at me or hear me check the time.  I also don't think you
> > > > > > > > > > should
> > have
> > > > > > > > > > to pay huge amounts of money to get a watch that isn't ugly,
> > > > > > > > > > or a
> > > > > > > > > > watch that works right when it's not.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > sorry for the rant.  I'm on a fixed income, have health
> > > > > > > > > > problems
> > > > > > > > > > that preclude me from working, and frankly, feel screwed out
> > > > > > > > > > of
> > most
> > > > > > > > > > blindness related options because I'm not rich enough to
> > > > > > > > > > afford
> > them.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > It doesn't work that way in other countries, and this great
> > > > > > > > > > USA
> > > > > > > > > > aught to follow suit.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > Jenny
> > > > > > > > > > On Apr 23, 2012, at 12:25 PM, Baracco, Andrew W wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > What's wrong with a blind person being rich?
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > Andy
> >
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > > > From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> > > > > > > > > > > Christopher Chaltain
> > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 6:14 AM
> > > > > > > > > > > To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
> > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [Electronics-talk] Tissot vibrating watch [was
> > > > > > > > > > > "Re:
> > > > > > > > > > > Talking Sports Watch"]
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > Well, as I think I said in a previous message, I'm not
> > > > > > > > > > > sure this
> > > > > > > > > > > watch was intended solely for the blind. I've also read
> > > > > > > > > > > that it
> > was
> > > > > > > > > > > meant for the businessman who didn't want to be seen
> > > > > > > > > > > checking her
> > > > > > > > > > > watch or the sportsman who wasn't able to look at their
> > > > > > > > > > > watches
> > face
> > > > > > > for some reason.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > Remember too that this is a Tissot. They aren't going to
> > > > > > > > > > > make a
> > > > > > > > > > > cheap watch.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > Finally, although a lot of blind people are on fixed
> > > > > > > > > > > incomes, not
> > > > > > > > > > > all of them are. I'm not going to say I can afford this
> > > > > > > > > > > watch
> > > > > > > > > > > myself, but I think it's a good thing that a company that
> > > > > > > > > > > makes
> > > > > > > > > > > quality watches, like Tissot, makes a watch that a well to
> > > > > > > > > > > do
> > blind
> > > > > > > > > > > person could aspire to own someday. If someone can't
> > > > > > > > > > > afford a
> > > > > > > > > > > Tissot, there are other options out there.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > On 23/04/12 07:32, Jenny Keller wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > sorry, but I find it rediculous that a watch that is
> > > > > > > > > > > > helpful for
> > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > blind, who a lot of us are on fixed incomes, costs that
> > > > > > > > > > > much.
> >
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I guess it's for those who just have jobs and/or money
> > > > > > > > > > > > to burn.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Jenny
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 23, 2012, at 7:11 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > As I said in the attached email, Amazon is again
> > > > > > > > > > > > > selling the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Tissot Silen-T watch. This is the watch that a blind
> > > > > > > > > > > > > person can
> > > > > > > > > > > > > use to tell time by feeling vibrations on the watches
> > > > > > > > > > > > > face. It's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > currently selling for $470, but it was selling for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > $350, as a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > promotional deal,
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > a few weeks ago.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I found it on Amazon just using Google, but if anyone
> > > > > > > > > > > > > wants, I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > can rerun my Google search and post the specific
> > > > > > > > > > > > > links.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not sure what the Tissot Vibren watch does, but I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > suspect
> > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > poster was thinking of the Silen-T watch.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On 23/04/12 06:56, Stephen guerra wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe you can only get the tissot vibrating
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > watch from ebay
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > as they are not actively being sold anymore and they
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > run over
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > $200
> >
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Behalf Of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Christopher Chaltain
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 2:20 AM
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: Discussion of accessible electronics and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > appliances
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Talking Sports Watch
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not familiar with the Tissot Vibren watch, and I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wasn't
> > able
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to find it via Google, but in the Tissot T-Touch
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > series, the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Silen-T is
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the accessible vibrating watch that a blind person
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > could use.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The other watches in the series vibrate, but not in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a way that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > you could
> > > > > > > > > > > tell the time.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Tissot Silen-T is available again, but the $349
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > price from
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amazon was a promotional price that ended at the end
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of March.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It looks like the current price is around $469.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 21/04/12 19:01, Alan Siman wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was probably the Tissot vibren watch which
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > apparently has
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > come back on the market for $349.00 at amazon (I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think).
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/21/2012 4:27 PM, Annette Carr wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been looking for a vibrating watch.  I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > came across one
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > advertised a very long time ago that some how
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vibrated as you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ran your finger around the outside rim of the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > face, but
> > cannot
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find it
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any more.  I don't like talking watches because
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also do not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > everyone to hear that I am checking the time,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and many times
> > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot hear what it says because of my hearing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loss.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I struggle with braille watches as I have some
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loss of
> > feeling
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in my hands.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Annette
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Behalf Of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jenny Keller
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 4:14 PM
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: Discussion of accessible electronics and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > appliances
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Talking Sports
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Watch
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't ask em where, but I could swear I have
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seen a water
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > resistant, or water proof sports watch.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can't remember where cause it's been a long
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time since I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > looked for a talking watch as I hate them with a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > passion.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm 4 feet 11 inches and the faces on them are
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just too big,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no matter where I look.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, I don't want everyone and their mother to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know if I
> > want
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to check the time during church or something
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like that.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had one that I liked cause the face was blue
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and I really
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > liked the way it looked, but it actually started
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > running
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > backwards and wouldn't sinc with the talking
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > part, and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quidckly after that happened the talking part
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > went berserk
> > too.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh well, I'm stuck with a braille watch.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jenny
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 21, 2012, at 6:12 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check out this inexpensive talking sports
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > watch from Future
> > Aids.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not water resistant (I don't think there are any
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > water
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > resistant talking timepieces on the market
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because there is
> > no
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > way to prevent water from penetrating the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > speaker), but at
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > $14.95 with free shipping, it is a good deal.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > http://www.braillebookstore.com/view.php?T=Talking+Sports+Wat
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ch
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gerald
> >
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chao"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mattchao at verizon.net>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > appliances"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 7:03 AM
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Talking Sports
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Watch
> >
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am also looking for same.--Matthew Chao
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 11:11 PM 4/20/2012, you wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been trying to find a high quality
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talking sports
> > > > > > > > > > > watch.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am hoping to find one that is somewhat
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > water resistant
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and am
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hoping to find something like a nice Seiko
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or something
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > > > that.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would love some of the nice sports
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > watches on the market
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now but they are not talking watches so I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am unfortunately
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > still
> > > > > > > > > > > looking.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you know of something I would really
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > appreciate it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks so much and sorry for my ramblings
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :) Linnie
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > Christopher (CJ)
> > > > > > > > > > > chaltain at gmail.com
> >
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> > Message: 11
> > Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 09:47:27 -0400
> > From: "JULIE PHILLIPSON" <jbrew48 at verizon.net>
> > To: "Tony Sohl" <tonysohl at cox.net>, "Discussion of accessible
> > electronics and appliances" <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] System Access
> > Message-ID: <A2451E5B3264468BAC008C293C57C16D at JulieHP>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
> > reply-type=original
> >
> > Tony go to satogo.com as long as you are connected to the internet you can
> > use it for free.
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Sohl" <tonysohl at cox.net>
> > To: <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 2:07 AM
> > Subject: [Electronics-talk] System Access
> >
> >
> > > Does the company offer a demo to try for 30 days or can I order a disc
> > > from and does it conflict with other software programs? How does it do
> > > with Captuas??
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> > Message: 12
> > Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 10:23:08 -0400
> > From: "JULIE PHILLIPSON" <jbrew48 at verizon.net>
> > To: "electronics talk" <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: [Electronics-talk] capchas
> > Message-ID: <3A08573D5BA54DCC869DE47814194DD4 at JulieHP>
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> > Does anyone have a good way to handle these beside vision?  I can not
> > understand them and when I type what I think I hear well it doesn't take it.
> > So far I have just avoided sites that use them because I have no other
> > choice.  I rarely have someone around that can help me with it when I need
> > them.  I've tried to call or contact the company but guess what no phone
> > number and contact us email never gets a response!  I've seen some very easy
> > to understand capchus a couple of times but others are just to obscurer to
> > understand.  Anyone have any good idea's of how to handle them accept with
> > good old vision?
> > Julie Phillipson
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 13
> > Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 09:24:33 -0500
> > From: Jenny Keller <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
> > To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
> > <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Alternatives to Windws and ... [was
> > "Re: Tissot vibrating watch [was "Re: TalkingSports
> > Watch"]"]
> > Message-ID: <259C8255-BE9C-4D00-BF80-3CA2E9ABDCAD at gmail.com>
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> >
> > thanks.
> >
> > Jenny
> > On Apr 24, 2012, at 8:23 AM, tina birenbaum wrote:
> >
> > > Yes, call them. I've used it on multiple computers and my flash drive
> > which i need to update with no problem and I'm sure they can help you figure
> > it out.
> > > Original message:
> > > > I supposedly have SA and am still making payments on it but it's not
> > working on any of our PC's or the thumb drive.
> > >
> > > > I have to call them this week and find out why, or tell them that my
> > payment contract is null and void since it hasn't worked in almost a year.
> > >
> > > > Jenny
> > > > On Apr 24, 2012, at 12:01 AM, tina birenbaum wrote:
> > >
> > > > > There's also system access which has a screen reader in it as well as
> > many other things in the package and best of all the company offers payment
> > plans. That's how i was able to get it. and it's very nice to have life time
> > updates that just go to all users so you don't have to pay what some of the
> > companies want just for updates.
> > > > > Original message:
> > > > > > For me, I run Ubuntu and use Orca/Speakup/Emacspeak on my PC, so I
> > don't
> > > > > > pay the expensive up front costs for a Mac, and I don't have to pay
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > Windows or a a screen reader. Another option would be NVDA, a free
> > > > > > screen reader for Windows. I guess you'd have to upgrade Windows
> > > > > > periodically, but Windows releases are supported for much more than
> > > > > > 2
> > > > > > years, and I don't understand at all why you'd have to upgrade a PC
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > Windows more frequently than a Mac.
> > >
> > > > > > As stated before, I don't agree with the rest of your rant. I don't
> > > > > > see
> > > > > > how a watch maker who makes a braille or vibrating watch for the
> > > > > > blind,
> > > > > > and prices it the same as the rest of their watches, is doing
> > > > > > anything
> > > > > > wrong. In fact, I think it's just the opposite. If more companies
> > > > > > did
> > > > > > what Seico, Wenger and Tissot did then we'd have even more choices
> > > > > > as
> > > > > > blind consumers. Since they're making quality watches, making
> > > > > > modifications to them so the blind can use them, and not jacking up
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > price over their other watches, I guess you could say they're
> > > > > > already
> > > > > > doing what you suggest because as others have said, with the lower
> > > > > > demand, they're not going to recover the additional cost in making
> > those
> > > > > > watches accessible. Of course, I have no idea what the markup is on
> > > > > > these watches or how much it costs to make a limited run of
> > > > > > braille/vibrating watches.
> > >
> > > > > > I can't speak to what other blind people get in other countries or
> > > > > > what
> > > > > > other disability groups get in the US, so I won't even comment on
> > > > > > that.
> > > > > > I suspect you have a lot of legitimate gripes, but if it all hinges
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > the fact that a luxury watch maker is making a luxury watch that
> > > > > > just
> > > > > > happens to be usable by the blind and they choose to continue to
> > > > > > charge
> > > > > > luxury prices for their watches then I think you need to find a
> > > > > > better
> > > > > > argument.
> > >
> > > > > > On 23/04/12 19:23, Jenny Keller wrote:
> > > > > > > Well, I can tell you that I have had to use Apple products as my
> > > > > > > main
> > screen reader and cell phone because it's the only thing that doesn't cost a
> > bloody fortune every two years to update.
> > >
> > > > > > > Yes, I've had to spend more up front than the apple, but I'll be
> > > > > > > able
> > to use it much longer than any PC you can buy, and I don't have to pay
> > hundreds of dollars for screen reader updates each year.
> > >
> > > > > > > As for the watches.  Again, to get one of any quality, you gotta
> > > > > > > pay
> > for it, and to get one that looks half way decent you also have to pay quite
> > a bit of money, which makers of these adaptive aids know most of us don't
> > have.
> > >
> > > > > > > If there are such things are rich blind people, maybe they need to
> > spread some of the wealth around and help those of us who can't work have
> > things that are of better quality.  Yes, I've gotten watches and little aids
> > from the state, but they've all been of lesser quality than someone of means
> > would buy, and they don't look near as nice either.
> > >
> > > > > > > that, in my opinion, is where other countries have us beat in so
> > > > > > > many
> > ways.  they provide computers for people in australia because they know that
> > you can't live without them anymore in society, etc.
> > >
> > > > > > > the people in wheelchairs and deaf get more adaptive equipment and
> > consideration and for free than the blind and it sucks and isn't equality by
> > a long shit.
> > >
> > > > > > > sorry to rant but I'm generally frustrated with the whole
> > > > > > > situation
> > about equality for the disabled.  As far as the blind are concerned, there
> > is no such thing.
> > >
> > > > > > > Jenny
> > > > > > > On Apr 23, 2012, at 6:46 PM, Drew Hunthausen wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > > > Jenny,
> > > > > > > > I agree with everything your saying as I am a poor college
> > > > > > > > student.
> > However,
> > > > > > > > you have to consider that it is very expensive to make something
> > > > > > > > specifically for the blind as we are such a small population. I
> > currently
> > > > > > > > cannot afford the more expensive Tissot watch, but I can
> > > > > > > > understand
> > the
> > > > > > > > merits of making a upscale watch that can both serve the blind
> > > > > > > > as
> > well as
> > > > > > > > sited people who want to spend the money. Companies do this as
> > > > > > > > to
> > attract a
> > > > > > > > more diverse population in effort to stay in business. I also
> > > > > > > > wish
> > things
> > > > > > > > were less expensive and we had just as many options as our sited
> > peers.
> > >
> > > > > > > > Drew
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> > > > > > > > [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jenny
> > Keller
> > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 4:26 PM
> > > > > > > > To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Tissot vibrating watch [was "Re:
> > > > > > > > TalkingSports Watch"]
> > >
> > > > > > > > When 70 percent of the blind population is unemployed and that
> > statistic is
> > > > > > > > probably a little higher.  It is rediculous to expect us to have
> > > > > > > > the
> > money
> > > > > > > > to purchase quality adaptive equipment.
> > >
> > > > > > > > the fact is, the things the state provides are not the highest
> > > > > > > > of
> > quality,
> > > > > > > > and on fixed incomes, most blind people can't afford a seco, not
> > > > > > > > to
> > mention
> > > > > > > > the kind of watches you're talking about.
> > >
> > > > > > > > I don't see anything wrong with living with your parents to save
> > money, but
> > > > > > > > for those of us who don't have that option and are barely
> > > > > > > > surviving,
> > it's a
> > > > > > > > kick in the teeth when any accessable product, watch or not,
> > > > > > > > isn't
> > available
> > > > > > > > to them in any kind of quality, unless you have a job.  Which I
> > > > > > > > said
> > before
> > > > > > > > since 70 percent of us are unemployed, it's a kick in the teeth.
> > >
> > > > > > > > JMO,
> > >
> > > > > > > > Jenny
> > > > > > > > On Apr 23, 2012, at 5:45 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > > > > I'm not sure I understand this message. There are blind people
> > across
> > > > > > > > > the economic spectrum, so there are plenty of blind people who
> > > > > > > > > could
> > > > > > > > > afford to or choose to purchase such a watch, whether they
> > > > > > > > > live at
> > > > > > > > > home or not. Furthermore, I don't think there's anything wrong
> > > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > someone living at home, and if they save enough on living
> > > > > > > > > expenses
> > > > > > > > > that they can afford such a watch, more power to them. IMHO,
> > > > > > > > > this is
> > a
> > > > > > > > > personal decision that each person has to make based on their
> > > > > > > > > own
> > > > > > > > situation.
> > >
> > > > > > > > > On 23/04/12 16:13, Tone wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > yeah. not everyone lives at homewith mom and dad, and could
> > > > > > > > > > blow
> > 300
> > > > > > > > > > on a watch.
> > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny Keller"
> > > > > > > > > > <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
> > > > > > > > > > <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 2:52 PM
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Tissot vibrating watch [was
> > > > > > > > > > "Re:
> > > > > > > > > > TalkingSports Watch"]
> > >
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Nothing is wrong with that.  I just don't think you should
> > > > > > > > > > > have to
> > > > > > > > > > > be rich to have a quality watch that doesn't scream I'M
> > > > > > > > > > > BLIND,
> > look
> > > > > > > > > > > at me or hear me check the time.  I also don't think you
> > > > > > > > > > > should
> > have
> > > > > > > > > > > to pay huge amounts of money to get a watch that isn't
> > > > > > > > > > > ugly, or a
> > > > > > > > > > > watch that works right when it's not.
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > sorry for the rant.  I'm on a fixed income, have health
> > > > > > > > > > > problems
> > > > > > > > > > > that preclude me from working, and frankly, feel screwed
> > > > > > > > > > > out of
> > most
> > > > > > > > > > > blindness related options because I'm not rich enough to
> > > > > > > > > > > afford
> > them.
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > It doesn't work that way in other countries, and this
> > > > > > > > > > > great USA
> > > > > > > > > > > aught to follow suit.
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Jenny
> > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 23, 2012, at 12:25 PM, Baracco, Andrew W wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > What's wrong with a blind person being rich?
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Andy
> > >
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > > > > From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> > > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> > > > > > > > > > > > Of
> > > > > > > > > > > > Christopher Chaltain
> > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 6:14 AM
> > > > > > > > > > > > To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
> > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [Electronics-talk] Tissot vibrating watch [was
> > > > > > > > > > > > "Re:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Talking Sports Watch"]
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Well, as I think I said in a previous message, I'm not
> > > > > > > > > > > > sure this
> > > > > > > > > > > > watch was intended solely for the blind. I've also read
> > > > > > > > > > > > that it
> > was
> > > > > > > > > > > > meant for the businessman who didn't want to be seen
> > > > > > > > > > > > checking her
> > > > > > > > > > > > watch or the sportsman who wasn't able to look at their
> > > > > > > > > > > > watches
> > face
> > > > > > > > for some reason.
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Remember too that this is a Tissot. They aren't going to
> > > > > > > > > > > > make a
> > > > > > > > > > > > cheap watch.
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Finally, although a lot of blind people are on fixed
> > > > > > > > > > > > incomes, not
> > > > > > > > > > > > all of them are. I'm not going to say I can afford this
> > > > > > > > > > > > watch
> > > > > > > > > > > > myself, but I think it's a good thing that a company
> > > > > > > > > > > > that makes
> > > > > > > > > > > > quality watches, like Tissot, makes a watch that a well
> > > > > > > > > > > > to do
> > blind
> > > > > > > > > > > > person could aspire to own someday. If someone can't
> > > > > > > > > > > > afford a
> > > > > > > > > > > > Tissot, there are other options out there.
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > On 23/04/12 07:32, Jenny Keller wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > sorry, but I find it rediculous that a watch that is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > helpful for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > blind, who a lot of us are on fixed incomes, costs that
> > > > > > > > > > > > much.
> > >
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess it's for those who just have jobs and/or money
> > > > > > > > > > > > > to burn.
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jenny
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 23, 2012, at 7:11 AM, Christopher Chaltain
> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I said in the attached email, Amazon is again
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > selling the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tissot Silen-T watch. This is the watch that a blind
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > person can
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > use to tell time by feeling vibrations on the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > watches face.
> > It's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > currently selling for $470, but it was selling for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > $350, as a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > promotional deal,
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a few weeks ago.
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I found it on Amazon just using Google, but if
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > anyone wants, I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > can rerun my Google search and post the specific
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > links.
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not sure what the Tissot Vibren watch does, but
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suspect
> > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > poster was thinking of the Silen-T watch.
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 23/04/12 06:56, Stephen guerra wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe you can only get the tissot vibrating
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > watch from
> > ebay
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as they are not actively being sold anymore and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they run over
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > $200
> > >
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Behalf Of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Christopher Chaltain
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 2:20 AM
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: Discussion of accessible electronics and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > appliances
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Talking Sports
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Watch
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not familiar with the Tissot Vibren watch, and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wasn't
> > able
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to find it via Google, but in the Tissot T-Touch
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > series, the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Silen-T is
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the accessible vibrating watch that a blind person
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could use.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The other watches in the series vibrate, but not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a way that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you could
> > > > > > > > > > > > tell the time.
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Tissot Silen-T is available again, but the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > $349 price from
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amazon was a promotional price that ended at the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > end of March.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It looks like the current price is around $469.
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 21/04/12 19:01, Alan Siman wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was probably the Tissot vibren watch which
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > apparently has
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > come back on the market for $349.00 at amazon (I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think).
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/21/2012 4:27 PM, Annette Carr wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been looking for a vibrating watch.  I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > came across
> > one
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > advertised a very long time ago that some how
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vibrated as
> > you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ran your finger around the outside rim of the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > face, but
> > cannot
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find it
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any more.  I don't like talking watches
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because I also do
> > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > everyone to hear that I am checking the time,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and many times
> > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot hear what it says because of my hearing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loss.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I struggle with braille watches as I have some
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loss of
> > feeling
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in my hands.
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Annette
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jenny Keller
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 4:14 PM
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: Discussion of accessible electronics and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > appliances
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Talking Sports
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Watch
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't ask em where, but I could swear I have
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seen a water
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > resistant, or water proof sports watch.
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can't remember where cause it's been a long
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time since I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > looked for a talking watch as I hate them with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a passion.
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm 4 feet 11 inches and the faces on them are
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just too big,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no matter where I look.
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, I don't want everyone and their mother
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to know if I
> > want
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to check the time during church or something
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like that.
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had one that I liked cause the face was blue
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and I really
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > liked the way it looked, but it actually
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > started running
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > backwards and wouldn't sinc with the talking
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > part, and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quidckly after that happened the talking part
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > went berserk
> > too.
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh well, I'm stuck with a braille watch.
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jenny
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 21, 2012, at 6:12 AM, Gerald Levy
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check out this inexpensive talking sports
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > watch from Future
> > Aids.
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not water resistant (I don't think there are
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any water
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > resistant talking timepieces on the market
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because there is
> > no
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > way to prevent water from penetrating the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > speaker), but at
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > $14.95 with free shipping, it is a good deal.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > http://www.braillebookstore.com/view.php?T=Talking+Sports+Wat
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ch
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gerald
> > >
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chao"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mattchao at verizon.net>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: "Discussion of accessible electronics
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and appliances"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 7:03 AM
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Talking
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sports Watch
> > >
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am also looking for same.--Matthew Chao
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 11:11 PM 4/20/2012, you wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been trying to find a high
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quality talking sports
> > > > > > > > > > > > watch.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am hoping to find one that is somewhat
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > water resistant
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and am
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hoping to find something like a nice
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seiko or something
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > > > > that.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would love some of the nice sports
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > watches on the
> > market
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now but they are not talking watches so
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am
> > unfortunately
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > still
> > > > > > > > > > > > looking.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you know of something I would really
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > appreciate it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks so much and sorry for my
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ramblings :) Linnie
> > >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Christopher (CJ)
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> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 14
> > Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 10:44:25 -0400
> > From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited at verizon.net>
> > To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
> > <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] capchas
> > Message-ID: <423786CAA10A463087346436BF91558F at glevy>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
> > reply-type=original
> >
> >
> > There is an add-on for Mozilla Firefox called Webvisum that solves image
> > captchas with the press of a keystroke and places the result on your
> > clipboard, ready to be pasted into the appropriate edit field.  Many blind
> > computer users like me use Firefox strictly for this purpose and use IE as
> > our primary browser. I never bother with audio captchas because they almost
> > never work, and use Webvisum, which works most of the time.
> >
> > Gerald
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "JULIE PHILLIPSON" <jbrew48 at verizon.net>
> > To: "electronics talk" <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 10:23 AM
> > Subject: [Electronics-talk] capchas
> >
> >
> > > Does anyone have a good way to handle these beside vision?  I can not
> > > understand them and when I type what I think I hear well it doesn't take
> > > it.  So far I have just avoided sites that use them because I have no
> > > other choice.  I rarely have someone around that can help me with it when
> > > I need them.  I've tried to call or contact the company but guess what no
> > > phone number and contact us email never gets a response!  I've seen some
> > > very easy to understand capchus a couple of times but others are just to
> > > obscurer to understand.  Anyone have any good idea's of how to handle them
> >
> > > accept with good old vision?
> > > Julie Phillipson
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> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
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> > Message: 15
> > Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 10:50:49 -0400
> > From: "Beverly Hunter" <bhunter at nfbga.org>
> > To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
> > <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] capchas
> > Message-ID: <3FFAA454B20A48608CCA593ADC61A727 at NFBGA03>
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> > This is the best way that I have found.
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited at verizon.net>
> > To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
> > <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 10:44 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] capchas
> >
> >
> >
> > There is an add-on for Mozilla Firefox called Webvisum that solves image
> > captchas with the press of a keystroke and places the result on your
> > clipboard, ready to be pasted into the appropriate edit field.  Many blind
> > computer users like me use Firefox strictly for this purpose and use IE as
> > our primary browser. I never bother with audio captchas because they almost
> > never work, and use Webvisum, which works most of the time.
> >
> > Gerald
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "JULIE PHILLIPSON" <jbrew48 at verizon.net>
> > To: "electronics talk" <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 10:23 AM
> > Subject: [Electronics-talk] capchas
> >
> >
> > > Does anyone have a good way to handle these beside vision?  I can not
> > > understand them and when I type what I think I hear well it doesn't take
> > > it.  So far I have just avoided sites that use them because I have no
> > > other choice.  I rarely have someone around that can help me with it when
> > > I need them.  I've tried to call or contact the company but guess what no
> > > phone number and contact us email never gets a response!  I've seen some
> > > very easy to understand capchus a couple of times but others are just to
> > > obscurer to understand.  Anyone have any good idea's of how to handle them
> > > accept with good old vision?
> > > Julie Phillipson
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > Message: 16
> > Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 11:08:36 -0400
> > From: "Beverly Hunter" <bhunter at nfbga.org>
> > To: "electronics" <Electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>, "nfb blind talk"
> > <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>, "Georgia"
> > <georgia-statewide-coalition-on-blindness at googlegroups.com>
> > Subject: [Electronics-talk] iPhone Discussions
> > Message-ID: <1A8990000BBB49EDAC23AC2510F5CF2B at NFBGA03>
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> > There will be an iPhone discussions conference call on Wednesday, April 25,
> > at 7:00 PM. The number to call is 616-883-2999 followed by the pound, and
> > the room is 2428. The topic is ring tones. So if you are interested in
> > making your own tones, or just would like to download an app to learn how to
> > use it, then this call is for you!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 17
> > Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 09:44:10 -0700
> > From: "Baracco, Andrew W" <Andrew.Baracco at va.gov>
> > To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
> > <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] capchas
> > Message-ID:
> >
> > <EE84AA38E4FCDD42AE64E566B9247B9A0F214086 at VHAV22MSGA1.v22.med.va.gov>
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> >
> > The whole purpose of CAPTCHA's is to be difficult to understand.  The
> > theory is that if they are difficult to understand, that they will block
> > computers from accessing the site.  The problem is that computers are
> > becoming smarter.  As far as I know, if sighted assistance is not
> > available, the best solution is to use Firefox with the Webvisum
> > plug-in.
> >
> > Andy
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> > [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of JULIE
> > PHILLIPSON
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 7:23 AM
> > To: electronics talk
> > Subject: [Electronics-talk] capchas
> >
> > Does anyone have a good way to handle these beside vision?  I can not
> > understand them and when I type what I think I hear well it doesn't take
> > it.  So far I have just avoided sites that use them because I have no
> > other choice.  I rarely have someone around that can help me with it
> > when I need them.  I've tried to call or contact the company but guess
> > what no phone number and contact us email never gets a response!  I've
> > seen some very easy to understand capchus a couple of times but others
> > are just to obscurer to understand.  Anyone have any good idea's of how
> > to handle them accept with good old vision?
> > Julie Phillipson
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