[Electronics-talk] Accessible Stove/oven

Thu Dec 13 20:57:45 UTC 2012

And you don't have to be blind to be harrassed by a landlord.  My landlord 
would just love to get me out of my rent-controlled apartment so that he can 
rent it to someone else at three times the rent I am currently paying. 
Because I am a senior citizen at age 62, I am eligible for a permanent rent 
freeze, which, of course, my landlord is not too thrilled about.  So I have 
to be very careful not to ruffle his feathers, or else he might dig into his 
bag of tricks to try to get me out of my apartment.  I can't really move 
elsewhere because I don't happen to have $1.2 million lying around, which is 
what the typical Manhattan co-op or condo sells for these days, nor can I 
afford to pay $3000 a month for a tiny studio apartment.  And I'm not poor 
enough toqualify for Section 8 housing in a run-down, drug and crime 
infested city housing project.  And when I ask the local blind rehab 
agencies what kind of housing assistance they can offer, their response is 
always something like, "Sorry, we're not in the real estate business."  So I 
have to make the best of my current situation.

Gerald

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frida Aizenman" <aizenman at earthlink.net>
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>I am not sure if it is good advise to rock the boat. What I mean is that, 
>in the seventies, I was refused rental in the Oakwood apartments in Los 
>Angeles because another really crazy young blind person spoiled it for the 
>rest of us. I did not take them to court only because that was the time 
>when the government job I had for 19 years came about.
> If the land lord doesn't want to rent to a blind person, or if they want 
> to get rid of one, there are always ways which look perfectly innocent, 
> but are not.
> Frida
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Baracco, Andrew W" <Andrew.Baracco at va.gov>
> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances" 
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> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 11:22 AM
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Accessible Stove/oven
>
>
>> Gerald, you might want to research state and Federal housing laws as to
>> how they deal with disability and accessibility. Some state access laws
>> for housing are more liberal than the ADA. Don't just take the word of
>> your landlord.  He has a vested interest in not spending any more money
>> than he has to.  Here in CA, I have a friend who got her landlord to
>> allow her to install a washer and dryer in her apartment because the
>> community laundry room had machines that were not accessible to blind
>> persons.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Mark J. Cadigan
>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 9:46 AM
>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Accessible Stove/oven
>>
>> Gerald,
>>
>>
>>
>> I know that style of oven you are talking about. Have you tried using
>> one of the long handled butane grill lighters to light the pilot light?
>> This way, you can find the appropriate position for the lighter with
>> everything cold, line up the lighter, unlit, click the lighter, and then
>> turn on the gas.
>> This method is far safer, and more reliable than using a match.
>>
>>
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited at verizon.net>
>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 12:29 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Accessible Stove/oven
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Well, I'm at the mercy of my landlord as far as my kitchen oven is
>>> concerned, so I'm stuck with a 60 year old relic from the 1950's that
>>> actually has knobs to adjust its stove top gas burners.  But because
>> it is
>>> an all-gas oven, the only way to light the pilot light if I want to
>> use
>>> the oven itself rather than the stove top is to grope around inside
>> with a
>>> lighted match and try to find the pilot hole without burning my
>> fingers or
>>> worse, burning down my kitchen,  I have actually discussed this safety
>>
>>> issue with my building manager, but was told that under New York City
>> law,
>>> the landlord is only required to furnish his tenants with a working
>> oven,
>>> not necessarily a safe or accessible one. And as long as my 60 year
>> old
>>> relic still works, he will not replace it. So except for the stove top
>>
>>> burners, I do all my cooking in my microwave, toaster oven or Foreman
>>> grill.
>>>
>>> Gerald
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Evelyn Weckerly" <weckerly at i2k.com>
>>> To: <lists at braddunsemusic.com>; "Discussion of accessible electronics
>> and
>>> appliances" <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 11:51 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Accessible Stove/oven
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi, Brad,
>>>>
>>>> It has been several years now since I had to replace mine. I did buy
>> a
>>>> smooth top and am glad I did. The laast I knew, you could get braille
>>
>>>> overlays fro Whirlpool et al. I bought Maytag, which Whirlpool now
>> owns.
>>>> The advantage of buying the manufacturer's braille overlays is that
>> you
>>>> get everything labelled as the print is and therefore how the manual
>> will
>>>> refer to things.
>>>>
>>>> I had a basic open coil unit for 29 years. Although I could operate
>> most
>>>> functions, I could not use the clock/timer and therefore had to have
>> some
>>>> else start the oven cleaning system. I still cannot use the
>> clock/timer,
>>>> but the automatic set feature on the oven means that I can press
>> "clean"
>>>> and then "automatic set" and the self cleaning system will run the
>>>> default settings. Also, setting oven temperatures is more accurate if
>> you
>>>> press the correct buttons. The buttons are behind a screen, so
>> braille
>>>> labelling is really necessary. I had to get used to a smooth top too,
>> but
>>>> now I'd not want to go back to what I had before.
>>>>
>>>> GE used to make braille overlays available. They had stopped when I
>> was
>>>> shopping, but I have heard that they have resumed. I can't verify
>> that
>>>> though.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know what your experience could be with a big box store. I
>> bought
>>>> my range (and several other major appliances over the last 20 years
>> or
>>>> so) from a local family-owned business. They were willing, in all
>> cases,
>>>> to hold the equipment until the labels arrived. I should mention
>> that,
>>>> having the labels already brailled, made the use of sighted help go
>> much
>>>> more quickly because we didn't have to make the labels.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Evelyn
>>>>
>>>> At 11:25 PM 12/12/2012, you wrote:
>>>>>Hey folks,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Our cook top on our oven decided to  crack in three directions
>> tonight,
>>>>>and
>>>>>I'm in the market for a new one. This one was inaccessible but came
>> with
>>>>>the
>>>>>house 11-years ago.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>With a need to purchase, now is my opportunity to get an accessible
>> one.
>>>>>I
>>>>>am looking for any possible suggestions in  the event anyone was in a
>>>>>similar need recently.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks in advance,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Brad
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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