[Electronics-talk] Accessible Stove/oven

Fri Dec 14 15:34:33 UTC 2012

Gerald,
exactly. That is why I said to Andy what I said. If you ruffle feathers too 
much, they will find an innocent way to get rid of you.
You have to weigh the pros and cons. If you don't want to be homeless, 
dealing with an unfair situation is often what you have to do.

Sorry to hear about your predicament. Its too bad you don't have the means 
to move out of new york.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Gerald Levy
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 3:57 PM
To: Frida Aizenman ; Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Accessible Stove/oven

And you don't have to be blind to be harrassed by a landlord.  My landlord
would just love to get me out of my rent-controlled apartment so that he can
rent it to someone else at three times the rent I am currently paying.
Because I am a senior citizen at age 62, I am eligible for a permanent rent
freeze, which, of course, my landlord is not too thrilled about.  So I have
to be very careful not to ruffle his feathers, or else he might dig into his
bag of tricks to try to get me out of my apartment.  I can't really move
elsewhere because I don't happen to have $1.2 million lying around, which is
what the typical Manhattan co-op or condo sells for these days, nor can I
afford to pay $3000 a month for a tiny studio apartment.  And I'm not poor
enough toqualify for Section 8 housing in a run-down, drug and crime
infested city housing project.  And when I ask the local blind rehab
agencies what kind of housing assistance they can offer, their response is
always something like, "Sorry, we're not in the real estate business."  So I
have to make the best of my current situation.

Gerald

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frida Aizenman" <aizenman at earthlink.net>
To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
<electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Accessible Stove/oven

>I am not sure if it is good advise to rock the boat. What I mean is that, 
>in the seventies, I was refused rental in the Oakwood apartments in Los 
>Angeles because another really crazy young blind person spoiled it for the 
>rest of us. I did not take them to court only because that was the time 
>when the government job I had for 19 years came about.
> If the land lord doesn't want to rent to a blind person, or if they want 
> to get rid of one, there are always ways which look perfectly innocent, 
> but are not.
> Frida
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Baracco, Andrew W" <Andrew.Baracco at va.gov>
> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances" 
> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 11:22 AM
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Accessible Stove/oven
>
>
>> Gerald, you might want to research state and Federal housing laws as to
>> how they deal with disability and accessibility. Some state access laws
>> for housing are more liberal than the ADA. Don't just take the word of
>> your landlord.  He has a vested interest in not spending any more money
>> than he has to.  Here in CA, I have a friend who got her landlord to
>> allow her to install a washer and dryer in her apartment because the
>> community laundry room had machines that were not accessible to blind
>> persons.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Mark J. Cadigan
>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 9:46 AM
>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Accessible Stove/oven
>>
>> Gerald,
>>
>>
>>
>> I know that style of oven you are talking about. Have you tried using
>> one of the long handled butane grill lighters to light the pilot light?
>> This way, you can find the appropriate position for the lighter with
>> everything cold, line up the lighter, unlit, click the lighter, and then
>> turn on the gas.
>> This method is far safer, and more reliable than using a match.
>>
>>
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited at verizon.net>
>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 12:29 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Accessible Stove/oven
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Well, I'm at the mercy of my landlord as far as my kitchen oven is
>>> concerned, so I'm stuck with a 60 year old relic from the 1950's that
>>> actually has knobs to adjust its stove top gas burners.  But because
>> it is
>>> an all-gas oven, the only way to light the pilot light if I want to
>> use
>>> the oven itself rather than the stove top is to grope around inside
>> with a
>>> lighted match and try to find the pilot hole without burning my
>> fingers or
>>> worse, burning down my kitchen,  I have actually discussed this safety
>>
>>> issue with my building manager, but was told that under New York City
>> law,
>>> the landlord is only required to furnish his tenants with a working
>> oven,
>>> not necessarily a safe or accessible one. And as long as my 60 year
>> old
>>> relic still works, he will not replace it. So except for the stove top
>>
>>> burners, I do all my cooking in my microwave, toaster oven or Foreman
>>> grill.
>>>
>>> Gerald
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Evelyn Weckerly" <weckerly at i2k.com>
>>> To: <lists at braddunsemusic.com>; "Discussion of accessible electronics
>> and
>>> appliances" <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 11:51 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Accessible Stove/oven
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi, Brad,
>>>>
>>>> It has been several years now since I had to replace mine. I did buy
>> a
>>>> smooth top and am glad I did. The laast I knew, you could get braille
>>
>>>> overlays fro Whirlpool et al. I bought Maytag, which Whirlpool now
>> owns.
>>>> The advantage of buying the manufacturer's braille overlays is that
>> you
>>>> get everything labelled as the print is and therefore how the manual
>> will
>>>> refer to things.
>>>>
>>>> I had a basic open coil unit for 29 years. Although I could operate
>> most
>>>> functions, I could not use the clock/timer and therefore had to have
>> some
>>>> else start the oven cleaning system. I still cannot use the
>> clock/timer,
>>>> but the automatic set feature on the oven means that I can press
>> "clean"
>>>> and then "automatic set" and the self cleaning system will run the
>>>> default settings. Also, setting oven temperatures is more accurate if
>> you
>>>> press the correct buttons. The buttons are behind a screen, so
>> braille
>>>> labelling is really necessary. I had to get used to a smooth top too,
>> but
>>>> now I'd not want to go back to what I had before.
>>>>
>>>> GE used to make braille overlays available. They had stopped when I
>> was
>>>> shopping, but I have heard that they have resumed. I can't verify
>> that
>>>> though.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know what your experience could be with a big box store. I
>> bought
>>>> my range (and several other major appliances over the last 20 years
>> or
>>>> so) from a local family-owned business. They were willing, in all
>> cases,
>>>> to hold the equipment until the labels arrived. I should mention
>> that,
>>>> having the labels already brailled, made the use of sighted help go
>> much
>>>> more quickly because we didn't have to make the labels.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Evelyn
>>>>
>>>> At 11:25 PM 12/12/2012, you wrote:
>>>>>Hey folks,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Our cook top on our oven decided to  crack in three directions
>> tonight,
>>>>>and
>>>>>I'm in the market for a new one. This one was inaccessible but came
>> with
>>>>>the
>>>>>house 11-years ago.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>With a need to purchase, now is my opportunity to get an accessible
>> one.
>>>>>I
>>>>>am looking for any possible suggestions in  the event anyone was in a
>>>>>similar need recently.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks in advance,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Brad
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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