[Electronics-talk] Don't make a bad situation worse [was "Re: (no subject)"]

Mon Feb 20 03:28:06 UTC 2012

Well, I'm only one user on this list, so don't assume I speak for all
users on this list. If I recall, more people came out in support of your
email than were critical of it.

I'm not sure the message you're referring to was posted with malice. I
have no idea if the person's system was infected with a virus or not or
what his or her motivation was. Either way, if someone posts something
to the list that is off topic for the list or that shouldn't have been
posted to the list then the proper thing to do is to bring that up with
the moderator off list. I myself didn't appreciate getting the original
message, but I also didn't care to see the three messages that followed
on how much they didn't appreciate getting the first message.

If you sincerely wanted to warn the list about a possible malicious link
then I offered several suggestions on how to do that since I certainly
didn't get that from your first message. You're obviously free to
disregard my suggestions.

On 19/02/12 15:11, Frida Aizenman wrote:
> Maybe it was not the best way to post a warning for the computer threat,
> and I am sorry for that, but, in the past, there had been people on this
> list who, even though, they didn't have infected computers, posted their
> products directing us to links, knowing well, that this was not the
> appropriate list to do so, and so, I thought this was the case again,
> but this time, it was done with malice in mind. Apparently not so from
> the users of this list.
> Frida
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Chaltain"
> <chaltain at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 12:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Don't make a bad situation worse [was
> "Re: (no subject)"]
> 
> 
>> I'd also suggest that if you want to warn the list about a suspicious
>> link, you don't repost the offensive link. I'd also claim that such a
>> warning is probably not going to be very useful since most people will
>> have just ignored such a link and most people will see the early post
>> before they see your warning anyway. Finally, I'd suggest a different
>> wording for such a warning. I didn't feel very warned when I read
>> Frida's post.
>>
>> On 19/02/12 11:56, David Andrews wrote:
>>> Frida:
>>>
>>> I am sorry you are upset, but Christopher is right, and there is little
>>> I can do in this kind of situation. If someone gets a virus or spyware,
>>> and it uses his/her address book, the list is going to pass the message
>>> because it is from a member. The server does have antivirus software
>>> which is going to catch the worst stuff, but viruses change all the
>>> time, and nothing is absolute. Also, it won't stop a message that just
>>> has a bad link in it. It just analyzes the messages themselves, it
>>> doesn't follow all links.
>>>
>>> If bad posts persist I of course remove addresses. However in the end
>>> all any of us can do is keep our anti virus and anti spyware software up
>>> to date and use common sense.
>>>
>>> You should trust nothing absolutely, even me!
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> At 01:48 PM 2/17/2012, you wrote:
>>>> I totally agree with everything you said, however, besides the fact
>>>> that I love to argue, the link was posted to our trusted listserv and
>>>> that is why I opened it. Besides, I was trying to prevent people from
>>>> going to a website, that, could have viruses. Time was of the essence.
>>>> Frida
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Chaltain"
>>>> <chaltain at gmail.com>
>>>> Cc: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 10:55 AM
>>>> Subject: [Electronics-talk] Don't make a bad situation worse [was "Re:
>>>> (no subject)"]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Well, first, you shouldn't be clicking on links from people you don't
>>>>> know in messages with no subject lines. In fact, you shouldn't be
>>>>> clicking on links even from people you do know since it's the
>>>>> people who
>>>>> have you in their address books who will be sending you viruses.
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree it's unacceptable, but maybe someone's PC is infected with a
>>>>> virus and this wasn't done intentionally.
>>>>>
>>>>> Either way, I think continuing to discuss it on list is just making
>>>>> the
>>>>> problem worse and is unacceptable in it's own way. If you don't think
>>>>> David caught it then bring it up with him off list. I think I've seen
>>>>> three messages come in so far on a message where I just hit the delete
>>>>> key, and furthermore, this link, which someone may suspect is a virus,
>>>>> has now been reposted to the list three times.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 17/02/12 12:24, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>>>>>> You and me both!!! I imagine Dave will want to look in to how this
>>>>>> can be prevented; or, at least curtailed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 17, 2012, at 11:18 AM, Frida Aizenman wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is not, I repeat, not acceptable. Something about a website
>>>>>>> from Canada selling healthcare products.
>>>>>>> I just hope my computer was not infected, even though, I have Spy
>>>>>>> Doctor protection.
>>>>>>> Needless to say, I am very annoyed.
>>>>>>> Frida
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: nt100t1 at gmail.com
>>>>>>> To: nfbwatlk at nfbnet.org ; nt100t1 at gmail.com ;
>>>>>>> PriorityClubeStatement at email.ichotelsgroup.com ;
>>>>>>> dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org ; nfb-announce-bounces at nfbnet.org ;
>>>>>>> dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org ; electronics-talk at nfbnet.org ;
>>>>>>> electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org ;
>>>>>>> electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 8:54 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: [Electronics-talk] (no subject)
>>>>>
>>>>> <Offending link removed.>
>>
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>> Christopher (CJ)<
>> chaltain at gmail.com
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