[Electronics-talk] Don't make a bad situation worse [was "Re: (no subject)"]

Mon Feb 20 04:03:35 UTC 2012

And, frankly, I don't appreciate getting any of these messages. Why do you 
guys have to keep talking about it? Drop it and leave it alone.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Christopher Chaltain" <chaltain at gmail.com>
To: "Frida Aizenman" <aizenman at earthlink.net>; "Discussion of accessible 
electronics and appliances" <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Don't make a bad situation worse [was "Re: 
(no subject)"]

> Well, I'm only one user on this list, so don't assume I speak for all
> users on this list. If I recall, more people came out in support of your
> email than were critical of it.
>
> I'm not sure the message you're referring to was posted with malice. I
> have no idea if the person's system was infected with a virus or not or
> what his or her motivation was. Either way, if someone posts something
> to the list that is off topic for the list or that shouldn't have been
> posted to the list then the proper thing to do is to bring that up with
> the moderator off list. I myself didn't appreciate getting the original
> message, but I also didn't care to see the three messages that followed
> on how much they didn't appreciate getting the first message.
>
> If you sincerely wanted to warn the list about a possible malicious link
> then I offered several suggestions on how to do that since I certainly
> didn't get that from your first message. You're obviously free to
> disregard my suggestions.
>
> On 19/02/12 15:11, Frida Aizenman wrote:
>> Maybe it was not the best way to post a warning for the computer threat,
>> and I am sorry for that, but, in the past, there had been people on this
>> list who, even though, they didn't have infected computers, posted their
>> products directing us to links, knowing well, that this was not the
>> appropriate list to do so, and so, I thought this was the case again,
>> but this time, it was done with malice in mind. Apparently not so from
>> the users of this list.
>> Frida
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Chaltain"
>> <chaltain at gmail.com>
>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 12:33 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Don't make a bad situation worse [was
>> "Re: (no subject)"]
>>
>>
>>> I'd also suggest that if you want to warn the list about a suspicious
>>> link, you don't repost the offensive link. I'd also claim that such a
>>> warning is probably not going to be very useful since most people will
>>> have just ignored such a link and most people will see the early post
>>> before they see your warning anyway. Finally, I'd suggest a different
>>> wording for such a warning. I didn't feel very warned when I read
>>> Frida's post.
>>>
>>> On 19/02/12 11:56, David Andrews wrote:
>>>> Frida:
>>>>
>>>> I am sorry you are upset, but Christopher is right, and there is little
>>>> I can do in this kind of situation. If someone gets a virus or spyware,
>>>> and it uses his/her address book, the list is going to pass the message
>>>> because it is from a member. The server does have antivirus software
>>>> which is going to catch the worst stuff, but viruses change all the
>>>> time, and nothing is absolute. Also, it won't stop a message that just
>>>> has a bad link in it. It just analyzes the messages themselves, it
>>>> doesn't follow all links.
>>>>
>>>> If bad posts persist I of course remove addresses. However in the end
>>>> all any of us can do is keep our anti virus and anti spyware software 
>>>> up
>>>> to date and use common sense.
>>>>
>>>> You should trust nothing absolutely, even me!
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>> At 01:48 PM 2/17/2012, you wrote:
>>>>> I totally agree with everything you said, however, besides the fact
>>>>> that I love to argue, the link was posted to our trusted listserv and
>>>>> that is why I opened it. Besides, I was trying to prevent people from
>>>>> going to a website, that, could have viruses. Time was of the essence.
>>>>> Frida
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Chaltain"
>>>>> <chaltain at gmail.com>
>>>>> Cc: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 10:55 AM
>>>>> Subject: [Electronics-talk] Don't make a bad situation worse [was "Re:
>>>>> (no subject)"]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, first, you shouldn't be clicking on links from people you don't
>>>>>> know in messages with no subject lines. In fact, you shouldn't be
>>>>>> clicking on links even from people you do know since it's the
>>>>>> people who
>>>>>> have you in their address books who will be sending you viruses.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree it's unacceptable, but maybe someone's PC is infected with a
>>>>>> virus and this wasn't done intentionally.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Either way, I think continuing to discuss it on list is just making
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> problem worse and is unacceptable in it's own way. If you don't think
>>>>>> David caught it then bring it up with him off list. I think I've seen
>>>>>> three messages come in so far on a message where I just hit the 
>>>>>> delete
>>>>>> key, and furthermore, this link, which someone may suspect is a 
>>>>>> virus,
>>>>>> has now been reposted to the list three times.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 17/02/12 12:24, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>>>>>>> You and me both!!! I imagine Dave will want to look in to how this
>>>>>>> can be prevented; or, at least curtailed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Feb 17, 2012, at 11:18 AM, Frida Aizenman wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is not, I repeat, not acceptable. Something about a website
>>>>>>>> from Canada selling healthcare products.
>>>>>>>> I just hope my computer was not infected, even though, I have Spy
>>>>>>>> Doctor protection.
>>>>>>>> Needless to say, I am very annoyed.
>>>>>>>> Frida
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: nt100t1 at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> To: nfbwatlk at nfbnet.org ; nt100t1 at gmail.com ;
>>>>>>>> PriorityClubeStatement at email.ichotelsgroup.com ;
>>>>>>>> dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org ; nfb-announce-bounces at nfbnet.org ;
>>>>>>>> dtb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org ; electronics-talk at nfbnet.org ;
>>>>>>>> electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org ;
>>>>>>>> electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 8:54 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: [Electronics-talk] (no subject)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <Offending link removed.>
>>>
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