[Electronics-talk] First User Review of Narrator HD Radio
James Aldrich
jajkaldrich at gmail.com
Wed Jul 11 03:31:56 UTC 2012
Hi again!
As I stated earlier, my Narrator HD Radio arrived yesterday afternoon!
I thought it was lighter in weight than my Sangean HDR1 while in the
shipping carton! It has a nice simple box to unpack! I plan to save
mine just in case it needs to be shipped somewhere for repair.
There isn't much I can add here from what I already said but i think a
few observations of mine need some repeating!
Any weak AM analog signals need to overcome a noise floor generated by
the radio itself. If a signal cannot do this, it won't be heard!
This is true with all HD AM FM radios I have owned including the
Narrator.
I only know of one HD component tuner which had a telephone keypad and
it was the Sangean HDT1 or the HDT1A. The table radios pretty much
use up and down scan and seek options to find specific stations and HD
radio streams on those stations. I'm not saying it can't be done, I'm
just saying this is how the table radio has been produced!
I too would like an AM FM HD radio which could operate on a battery
pack or a number of commonly available batteries. The only workable
HD radio on battery I have seen is the tiny Insignia from Best Buy!
It is truly tiny but it seems to be very impressive! I heard FM
stations 60 to 70 miles from me! These of course are analog signals.
I have only one HD radio stream in my area from my Public Radio
station! I would like to write Ibiquity or some other forum and
express some of my concerns as to why this HD radio technology isn't
catching on but this is beyond the scope of this list.
The HDR1 I have is probably a better radio than the Narrator when it
comes to performance but it isn't accessible by any degree! I need a
remote to run it! The sound on the HDR1 is better too but this
doesn't take anything away from the narrator by any means!
I find my Narrator to be a very respectable radio! I had it up and
running rather quickly! I thought the manual was nicely read despite
how it was put together! I of course got a few hints from others and
have been able to switch the radio from ITR mode to Accessible mode!
I think the radio is nicely built! My Radio came up talking as did
Ray's unit! I have heard of a few which weren't talking by default.
Last night, I heard AM analog stations from Salt Lake City, Omaha
Nebraska, Tulsa Oklahoma, to mention a few! I'm in Montana.
I like the fact that one doesn't need to feed wire through a terminal
post when connecting the AM loop. I had such a radio at one time! My
Narrator and my Sangean HDR1 have the same antenna arrangements! I
could probably interchange the antennas from one radio to the other!
the Sangean unit has a twin lead antenna for FM. It is good to know
one can utilize different types of antennas on the Narrator. The
clock and alarm is easy to set. I didn't find a sleep function but
that is not a big deal for me!
I originally wanted to have one HD radio available to me! I would
be ready for it if HD Radio would catch on in a big way! The Narrator
is a goodd radio since it has a reasonable price of $99 which is less
expensive than many other HD radios. I paid almost $200 from Target
for my Sangean radio. I can hear the stereo separation very nicely
whether I listen to an analog station or HD station. The
accessibility is an added bonus! One can move this radio from one
room to another thanks to the battery backup for the clock.
Do listen to Ray's presentation! It is great! Imagined myself
sitting at his kitchen table tuning around on the Narrator. I was
impressed with how the Narrator easily found all HD streams on a
single station. Of course, the stream is either there or it isn't, no
middle ground! This is truly noted in Ray's presentation!
I have no regrets! I'm happy I bought this radio!
Jim
On 7/10/12, James Aldrich <jajkaldrich at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I received my Narrator Radio yesterday afternoon. I pretty much have
> it up and running! I'm still checking out more fine points before I
> write any comments.
>
> I sent a message to someone who has evaluated this radio for some
> time. This person will remain anonymous but some good observations
> were set forth by this person. This is below!
>
> Well, it is pretty obvious this dude didn’t read the quick start guide
> for accessible use. It sounds like he tried to just dope everything
> out by trial and error. I will correct his errors below:
>
> 1. As with most Am sections, the radio is completely deaf without
> connecting its loop antenna. I’ve only had the radio for a couple
> hours,
>
> and haven’t figured out a way to attach the loop to the radio. It has
> enough wire that it could be placed on a wall.
> response: * Yes, this radio does not have an internal AM antenna. You
> must attach the external loop. It plugs in right next to the FM
> antenna. Couldn’t be much easier.
>
> 3. Menu Accessibility: It doesn’t say this in the main radio manual
> so
> unless you look at the Quick-Start Guide for the Blind, you won’t know
> that the Menu Mode is disabled when you are in accessibility mode.
> You
> enable accessibility mode by pressing the power button, the lefthand
> button on the top with the Select Button which is the lower-left
> button
> *Response: This is true. The main users manual is not very clear.
> Blind users should skip the users manual, and the quck start guide for
> the ATR version, and go straight to the quick start guide for the
> IAAIS accessible mode. On the enclosed CD, it is track 12, the last
> track.
>
> It appears that in this mode, you can set the time by holding the
> display
>
> button in for two seconds. You can also set the alarm time for Alarm
> 1
> and Alarm 2. You can press either alarm to be informed that it is on
> or
> off. What sighties can do is determine whether the alarm wakes you
> with
> radio or a tone, this doesn’t seem to work in accessibility mode.
> * This is incorrect. In access mode you can decide what type of alarm
> to use by toggling the source mode button next to the power button. In
> ATR sighted mode, this is all done through menus, but in access mode,
> it is done without resorting to menus. It is also true that the menu
> mode is not accessible. But most functions are accessible without
> these menus. The ATR mode does have options for displaying album art
> and other such meta data which is turned off in access mode. Album art
> wouldn’t be accessible anyway, and the radio isn’t using a screen
> reader, but rather a feed back system. The radio first says the name
> of the button you push, and then tells you the result of that push.
> You can toggle between 12 and 24 hour clock modes by using the display
> button on the front of the radio. It is important to know that you
> turn the radio off when you want to set the time.
>
> regular non-accessible mode
> to
> see what the hardware/software version of this radio is. However,
> there
> isn’t a Usb or some other port to update the software, so even if a
> new
> version came out, I don’t know if there is a way to update it. The
> manual
>
> doesn’t state that this is possible.
> * Responce: There is a way to get the firmware revision number in
> access mode also. I don’t know if upgrades are anticipated.
>
> Also, there is no way to control the radio’s verbosity. The buttons
> typically give you way too much feedback. For example, if you press
> the
> volume up button, it says something like Volume Up. That type of
> feedback
>
> is nice when you are familiarizing yourself with the radio, but I
> think
> after a day or so it would be too verbose. It would be nice to be
> able
>
> to
>
> set it to advanced mode, where it wouldn’t continue to be so verbose.
> * Response: This is partly true. One cannot change the verbosity
> settings, they are either on or off. However, you do not have to wait
> for the full message before continuing. For instance, if you press and
> hold the volume button, the volume continues to move only saying up
> once. If you are tuning, you don’t have to wait for each frequency
> announcement, you can press repeatedly and the feedback messages are
> interrupted until you stop.
>
> Sound quality is better than a $29 off-the-shelf clock radio, but that
> isn’t saying a whole lot for it. Those of you who have had the Sony
> Dream
>
> Machine, this doesn’t compare to it as far as sound quality. I think
> the
>
> manual is written incorrectly. It claims it has 4 two-inch speakers,
> but
>
> without ripping off the front grill or voiding my right to return the
> radio, it looks more like it has two four-inch speakers.
>
> I am not sure if I will keep this radio or not. Since I don’t need a
> clock radio with all sorts of other alarm options, it is one of those
> things that might be nice, but not sure it is worth the cost. It can
> receive Hd stations, but not the radio reading service subcarriers.
> In
> accessibility mode, you can’t bookmark songs, read the Hd display for
> data, or other things that I would have thought would have been made
> available if the IAAIS was as involved with the design as they were.”
> * The radio was designed to IAAIS specifications. IAAIS didn’t get
> into the subject of screen reading meta data. I suspect screen reading
> may be available in future, but htat is a much more complicated
> approach and would significantly influence price. Fidelity is a matter
> of taste. I think is sounds good, but, to each their own. It is not an
> SCA radio as he says, but wasn’t meant to be. SCA is doomed, and all
> reading services will have to vacate the SCA eventually. I have some
> quibbles, mostly with regard to the manual, but I think this is a very
> good first effort by best buy. If the radio sells, and indications are
> it will, I think they will refine the design in time.
>
> ____________________Jim ___________________________
>
>
>
> On 7/6/12, Gerald Levy <bwaylimited at verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>> Be sure to provide us with your impressions and review of the Narrator
>> when
>>
>> you receive it.
>>
>> Gerald
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "James Aldrich" <jajkaldrich at gmail.com>
>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 11:04 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] First User Review of Narrator HD Radio
>>
>>
>>> Hi again!
>>>
>>> One more thing! All the HD radios for home use I owned were clock
>>> radios and any I have seen for home use were clock radios. The only
>>> HD radio which isn't a clock radio is my little portable FM only
>>> Insignia. For now, this is the way it is!
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> On 7/6/12, James Aldrich <jajkaldrich at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi Gerald and all,
>>>> As I see it, this isn't the venue for discussing the merrit or lack of
>>>> merrit of HD Radio or any other sources of radio for that matter!
>>>> What I try to do is help people with what they wish to listen to and
>>>> get the most out of whether it be satellite radio, HD radio or radio
>>>> online. All of these forms of radio have their advantages and
>>>> disadvantages. If we were on a radio forum or list of some type, we
>>>> could go more into this topic! Broadcasters certainly haven't done
>>>> what they could to make HD radio available everywhere! How can one
>>>> evaluate HD radio if little to no content exists! If you tell me you
>>>> haven't fiddled with your satellite radio antenna, I'd call you a
>>>> liar! My discussion dealt more with evaluating the performance of the
>>>> radio itself and what one must watch for especially when attempting to
>>>> DX. You will probably listen to a local station when waking up in the
>>>> morning. You no doubt will figure out how to drape the FM antenna so
>>>> it is out of your way! If tuned to a local station, you shouldn't
>>>> have to fiddle with it.
>>>>
>>>> Consider this! My Sangian HDR1 has one big knob in front. One pushes
>>>> the knob in to turn on the radio. Once done, this sets the clock if
>>>> it isn't set. It also adjusts the equalization, turns the volume up
>>>> or down, tunes stations, places the radio in scan mode, places radio
>>>> in memory mode for putting or deleting channels from memory and a host
>>>> of other functions. Thank goodness this radio has a remote! That is
>>>> the only way I can run it! If it didn't have a remote, I would have
>>>> sent it back!
>>>>
>>>> I believe the Narrator will be a great improvement over my Sangian
>>>> HDR1 when it comes to operating the radio even if everything may not
>>>> speak! I think it is best to learn the radio before coming to any
>>>> conclusions! I'm looking forward to receiving mine!
>>>>
>>>> A final thought! I can hear radio throughout the world online with my
>>>> IPod and this cannot be done with Satellite ?Radio or HD Radio. I
>>>> think all forms of radio have their place!
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 7/6/12, Gerald Levy <bwaylimited at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The fact that you have to constantly fiddle with the antenna to get
>>>>> decent
>>>>> HD radio reception is one of the main reasons why HD radio has never
>>>>> attained widespread popularity with the general public and probably
>>>>> never
>>>>> will. Like digital TV, which was forced on the public by a bunch of
>>>>> ignorant FCC bureaucrats, HD radio was implemented in a slipshod,
>>>>> haphazard
>>>>>
>>>>> fashion that virtually guaranteed its failure. It seems to me that
>>>>> adding
>>>>> HD reception to a clock radio doesn't make a whole lot of sense
>>>>> because
>>>>> who
>>>>>
>>>>> wants to lay in bed in the morning and putz around with an antennajust
>>>>> to
>>>>> listen to a particular radio station? Maybe Best Buy would have been
>>>>> better off including provisions for Sirius/XM reception in the
>>>>> Narrator
>>>>> instead of HD. Or better yet, it could have included the ability to
>>>>> receive
>>>>>
>>>>> the audio portion of digital TV broadcasts. With all of its inherent
>>>>> reception limitations, it seems to me that HD radio is a format
>>>>> without
>>>>> much
>>>>>
>>>>> of a future.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gerald
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "James Aldrich" <jajkaldrich at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 1:33 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] First User Review of Narrator HD Radio
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wish to post a few thoughts concerning the Best Buy Narrator. Mine
>>>>>> could arrive as soon as tomorrow or as late as Monday, July 9th.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I now have two HD radios presently. I had one from radiosophy.com
>>>>>> which I sold and replaced with a Sangian HDR1. Both of these are
>>>>>> table radios. My third is the insignia portable radio from Best Buy.
>>>>>> Some say it won't last more than two years and one cannot replace its
>>>>>> battery! It appears to work quite well even though it is an FM radio
>>>>>> only.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Part of the problem of displaying information from radio stations is
>>>>>> this! Some stations may not be transmitting data in the first place.
>>>>>> Others may transmit data however. The narrator won't get the 67 or
>>>>>> 92
>>>>>> KHZ sub carrier signals since it wasn't designed to get those in the
>>>>>> first place. Many Radio Reading Services will be using an HD radio
>>>>>> stream from one of the public radio stations in the future. Yes!
>>>>>> Anyone with an HD radio may listen to radio reading services. That's
>>>>>> fine by me!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One cannot compare analog radios with HD radios. These are different
>>>>>> animals in a way! The HD radio will generate birdies and noise on
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> AM band especially which interferes with weaker signals. Mounting
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> AM loop to the radio will only keep the antenna close to the noise
>>>>>> generated by the radio itself. This is part of the IBoc design! I
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> course cannot explain all of this but I have found this to be the
>>>>>> case
>>>>>> with the Sangian HDR1 I have presently! Move the AM loop 3 to 6
>>>>>> inches or further from the radio for best results. One can loop out
>>>>>> unwanted signals very effectively! On some wintery days, I was able
>>>>>> to hear KSL in Salt Lake City from my home in Montana on HD. This
>>>>>> doesn't stay in very long but it is possible! I have also heard KOA
>>>>>> in Denver, and KFAB in Omaha from my basement in HD but these don't
>>>>>> stay in very long. One needs a strong signal in order to get an HD
>>>>>> stream to come in. When this happens, the experience is quite
>>>>>> impressive! One doesn't get allot of noise or hum from any signals!
>>>>>> In fact, it is truly FM quality from an AM station and CD quality
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> an FM station! If there is any dead time on the station, one won't
>>>>>> hear anything at all till the programming begins again!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My advice is to place your AM loop 3 inches from the radio for a
>>>>>> local
>>>>>> station, or place it further if you can from the unit itself. This
>>>>>> reduces noise on an analog signal! If dxing, hold the loop in your
>>>>>> hand and use it to null out local stations and bring in stations near
>>>>>> the local station being looped out. I have a station on 970 KHZ. I
>>>>>> can hear a sports station in Canada on 960, CFAC very comfortably
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> little to no interference from the local station. There is more of a
>>>>>> noise factor on an analog station from an HD radio unit. I have
>>>>>> heard
>>>>>> WOAI out of SanAntonio Texas which is quite a find in my area!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My Sangian Radio has a whip antenna for FM or I can put the long
>>>>>> antenna on it which works very well. I also put a pair of TV Rabbit
>>>>>> Ears on that radio which worked quite well on the FM band.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Perhaps the Dream Machine had good sound and it wasn't too bad on AM
>>>>>> but it was a horrible FM radio. One had to put up with that silly
>>>>>> piece of wire which was a poor excuse for an FM antenna as I saw it!
>>>>>> I'm glad I sold mine! At least with the narrator, one can choose
>>>>>> which antenna can be used and it is a standard cable connector. I
>>>>>> think too one must fiddle with the radio longer than two hours to
>>>>>> really appreciate HD radio!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll have more to say once I get my narrator so don't be discouraged!
>>>>>> Keep the loop antenna away from the radio, connect that FM antenna
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> have a blast! What I wrote here is very typical of the HD radios I
>>>>>> have used.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> HTH
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7/4/12, Gerald Levy <bwaylimited at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Following is a brief review of the highly-anticipated Narrator HD
>>>>>>> Radio
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> was posted by someone named Steve on another blind-techrelated
>>>>>>> mailing
>>>>>>> list.
>>>>>>> The opinions expressed in this review are strictly his:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "For all the hoopla, and touting about its accessibility, I guess I
>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>> expecting more than a piece of below-average junk. Here are my
>>>>>>>> quick
>>>>>>>> findings:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1. As with most Am sections, the radio is completely deaf without
>>>>>>>> connecting its loop antenna. I've only had the radio for a couple
>>>>>>>> hours,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and haven't figured out a way to attach the loop to the radio. It
>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>> enough wire that it could be placed on a wall.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2. Similarly the Fm dipole is a must. Interestingly, instead of
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> F
>>>>>>>> connectors that most tuners use these days, this has a cable type
>>>>>>>> screw-on
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> connector. Sensitivity is good, selectivity and immunity to
>>>>>>>> overload
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>> mine is only fair.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 3. Menu Accessibility: It doesn't say this in the main radio
>>>>>>>> manual
>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>> unless you look at the Quick-Start Guide for the Blind, you won't
>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>> that the Menu Mode is disabled when you are in accessibility mode.
>>>>>>>> You
>>>>>>>> enable accessibility mode by pressing the power button, the
>>>>>>>> lefthand
>>>>>>>> button on the top with the Select Button which is the lower-left
>>>>>>>> button
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the front of the radio.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It appears that in this mode, you can set the time by holding the
>>>>>>>> display
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> button in for two seconds. You can also set the alarm time for
>>>>>>>> Alarm
>>>>>>>> 1
>>>>>>>> and Alarm 2. You can press either alarm to be informed that it is
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> off. What sighties can do is determine whether the alarm wakes you
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> radio or a tone, this doesn't seem to work in accessibility mode.
>>>>>>>> Sighted
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> people can also access the menu and make all sorts of other
>>>>>>>> adjustments
>>>>>>>> such as 12 or 24-hour time, tuning modes like U.S. or International
>>>>>>>> Am/Fm
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> band limits and channel spacing,Lcd color and brightness, etc.
>>>>>>>> These
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> only available in the menu when the accessibility mode is turned
>>>>>>>> off.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is an option in the menu under the regular non-accessible
>>>>>>>> mode
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> see what the hardware/software version of this radio is. However,
>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>> isn't a Usb or some other port to update the software, so even if a
>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>> version came out, I don't know if there is a way to update it. The
>>>>>>>> manual
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> doesn't state that this is possible.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also, there is no way to control the radio's verbosity. The
>>>>>>>> buttons
>>>>>>>> typically give you way too much feedback. For example, if you
>>>>>>>> press
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> volume up button, it says something like Volume Up. That type of
>>>>>>>> feedback
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> is nice when you are familiarizing yourself with the radio, but I
>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>> after a day or so it would be too verbose. It would be nice to be
>>>>>>>> able
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> set it to advanced mode, where it wouldn't continue to be so
>>>>>>>> verbose.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sound quality is better than a $29 off-the-shelf clock radio, but
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> isn't saying a whole lot for it. Those of you who have had the
>>>>>>>> Sony
>>>>>>>> Dream
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Machine, this doesn't compare to it as far as sound quality. I
>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> manual is written incorrectly. It claims it has 4 two-inch
>>>>>>>> speakers,
>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> without ripping off the front grill or voiding my right to return
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> radio, it looks more like it has two four-inch speakers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am not sure if I will keep this radio or not. Since I don't need
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> clock radio with all sorts of other alarm options, it is one of
>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>> things that might be nice, but not sure it is worth the cost. It
>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>> receive Hd stations, but not the radio reading service subcarriers.
>>>>>>>> In
>>>>>>>> accessibility mode, you can't bookmark songs, read the Hd display
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> data, or other things that I would have thought would have been
>>>>>>>> made
>>>>>>>> available if the IAAIS was as involved with the design as they
>>>>>>>> were."
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