[Electronics-talk] First User Review of Narrator HD Radio
Ray Foret Jr
rforetjr at att.net
Wed Jul 11 03:43:04 UTC 2012
Thanks Jim.
The program I put together has generally been well received, and, I felt that it was necessary to be honest about both what I liked about the radio and now love as well as areas I found which could perhaps stand improvement.
Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
Skype name:
barefootedray
On Jul 10, 2012, at 10:31 PM, James Aldrich wrote:
> Hi again!
>
> As I stated earlier, my Narrator HD Radio arrived yesterday afternoon!
> I thought it was lighter in weight than my Sangean HDR1 while in the
> shipping carton! It has a nice simple box to unpack! I plan to save
> mine just in case it needs to be shipped somewhere for repair.
>
> There isn't much I can add here from what I already said but i think a
> few observations of mine need some repeating!
>
> Any weak AM analog signals need to overcome a noise floor generated by
> the radio itself. If a signal cannot do this, it won't be heard!
> This is true with all HD AM FM radios I have owned including the
> Narrator.
>
> I only know of one HD component tuner which had a telephone keypad and
> it was the Sangean HDT1 or the HDT1A. The table radios pretty much
> use up and down scan and seek options to find specific stations and HD
> radio streams on those stations. I'm not saying it can't be done, I'm
> just saying this is how the table radio has been produced!
>
> I too would like an AM FM HD radio which could operate on a battery
> pack or a number of commonly available batteries. The only workable
> HD radio on battery I have seen is the tiny Insignia from Best Buy!
> It is truly tiny but it seems to be very impressive! I heard FM
> stations 60 to 70 miles from me! These of course are analog signals.
> I have only one HD radio stream in my area from my Public Radio
> station! I would like to write Ibiquity or some other forum and
> express some of my concerns as to why this HD radio technology isn't
> catching on but this is beyond the scope of this list.
>
> The HDR1 I have is probably a better radio than the Narrator when it
> comes to performance but it isn't accessible by any degree! I need a
> remote to run it! The sound on the HDR1 is better too but this
> doesn't take anything away from the narrator by any means!
>
> I find my Narrator to be a very respectable radio! I had it up and
> running rather quickly! I thought the manual was nicely read despite
> how it was put together! I of course got a few hints from others and
> have been able to switch the radio from ITR mode to Accessible mode!
> I think the radio is nicely built! My Radio came up talking as did
> Ray's unit! I have heard of a few which weren't talking by default.
>
> Last night, I heard AM analog stations from Salt Lake City, Omaha
> Nebraska, Tulsa Oklahoma, to mention a few! I'm in Montana.
>
> I like the fact that one doesn't need to feed wire through a terminal
> post when connecting the AM loop. I had such a radio at one time! My
> Narrator and my Sangean HDR1 have the same antenna arrangements! I
> could probably interchange the antennas from one radio to the other!
> the Sangean unit has a twin lead antenna for FM. It is good to know
> one can utilize different types of antennas on the Narrator. The
> clock and alarm is easy to set. I didn't find a sleep function but
> that is not a big deal for me!
>
> I originally wanted to have one HD radio available to me! I would
> be ready for it if HD Radio would catch on in a big way! The Narrator
> is a goodd radio since it has a reasonable price of $99 which is less
> expensive than many other HD radios. I paid almost $200 from Target
> for my Sangean radio. I can hear the stereo separation very nicely
> whether I listen to an analog station or HD station. The
> accessibility is an added bonus! One can move this radio from one
> room to another thanks to the battery backup for the clock.
>
> Do listen to Ray's presentation! It is great! Imagined myself
> sitting at his kitchen table tuning around on the Narrator. I was
> impressed with how the Narrator easily found all HD streams on a
> single station. Of course, the stream is either there or it isn't, no
> middle ground! This is truly noted in Ray's presentation!
>
> I have no regrets! I'm happy I bought this radio!
>
> Jim
>
> On 7/10/12, James Aldrich <jajkaldrich at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I received my Narrator Radio yesterday afternoon. I pretty much have
>> it up and running! I'm still checking out more fine points before I
>> write any comments.
>>
>> I sent a message to someone who has evaluated this radio for some
>> time. This person will remain anonymous but some good observations
>> were set forth by this person. This is below!
>>
>> Well, it is pretty obvious this dude didn’t read the quick start guide
>> for accessible use. It sounds like he tried to just dope everything
>> out by trial and error. I will correct his errors below:
>>
>> 1. As with most Am sections, the radio is completely deaf without
>> connecting its loop antenna. I’ve only had the radio for a couple
>> hours,
>>
>> and haven’t figured out a way to attach the loop to the radio. It has
>> enough wire that it could be placed on a wall.
>> response: * Yes, this radio does not have an internal AM antenna. You
>> must attach the external loop. It plugs in right next to the FM
>> antenna. Couldn’t be much easier.
>>
>> 3. Menu Accessibility: It doesn’t say this in the main radio manual
>> so
>> unless you look at the Quick-Start Guide for the Blind, you won’t know
>> that the Menu Mode is disabled when you are in accessibility mode.
>> You
>> enable accessibility mode by pressing the power button, the lefthand
>> button on the top with the Select Button which is the lower-left
>> button
>> *Response: This is true. The main users manual is not very clear.
>> Blind users should skip the users manual, and the quck start guide for
>> the ATR version, and go straight to the quick start guide for the
>> IAAIS accessible mode. On the enclosed CD, it is track 12, the last
>> track.
>>
>> It appears that in this mode, you can set the time by holding the
>> display
>>
>> button in for two seconds. You can also set the alarm time for Alarm
>> 1
>> and Alarm 2. You can press either alarm to be informed that it is on
>> or
>> off. What sighties can do is determine whether the alarm wakes you
>> with
>> radio or a tone, this doesn’t seem to work in accessibility mode.
>> * This is incorrect. In access mode you can decide what type of alarm
>> to use by toggling the source mode button next to the power button. In
>> ATR sighted mode, this is all done through menus, but in access mode,
>> it is done without resorting to menus. It is also true that the menu
>> mode is not accessible. But most functions are accessible without
>> these menus. The ATR mode does have options for displaying album art
>> and other such meta data which is turned off in access mode. Album art
>> wouldn’t be accessible anyway, and the radio isn’t using a screen
>> reader, but rather a feed back system. The radio first says the name
>> of the button you push, and then tells you the result of that push.
>> You can toggle between 12 and 24 hour clock modes by using the display
>> button on the front of the radio. It is important to know that you
>> turn the radio off when you want to set the time.
>>
>> regular non-accessible mode
>> to
>> see what the hardware/software version of this radio is. However,
>> there
>> isn’t a Usb or some other port to update the software, so even if a
>> new
>> version came out, I don’t know if there is a way to update it. The
>> manual
>>
>> doesn’t state that this is possible.
>> * Responce: There is a way to get the firmware revision number in
>> access mode also. I don’t know if upgrades are anticipated.
>>
>> Also, there is no way to control the radio’s verbosity. The buttons
>> typically give you way too much feedback. For example, if you press
>> the
>> volume up button, it says something like Volume Up. That type of
>> feedback
>>
>> is nice when you are familiarizing yourself with the radio, but I
>> think
>> after a day or so it would be too verbose. It would be nice to be
>> able
>>
>> to
>>
>> set it to advanced mode, where it wouldn’t continue to be so verbose.
>> * Response: This is partly true. One cannot change the verbosity
>> settings, they are either on or off. However, you do not have to wait
>> for the full message before continuing. For instance, if you press and
>> hold the volume button, the volume continues to move only saying up
>> once. If you are tuning, you don’t have to wait for each frequency
>> announcement, you can press repeatedly and the feedback messages are
>> interrupted until you stop.
>>
>> Sound quality is better than a $29 off-the-shelf clock radio, but that
>> isn’t saying a whole lot for it. Those of you who have had the Sony
>> Dream
>>
>> Machine, this doesn’t compare to it as far as sound quality. I think
>> the
>>
>> manual is written incorrectly. It claims it has 4 two-inch speakers,
>> but
>>
>> without ripping off the front grill or voiding my right to return the
>> radio, it looks more like it has two four-inch speakers.
>>
>> I am not sure if I will keep this radio or not. Since I don’t need a
>> clock radio with all sorts of other alarm options, it is one of those
>> things that might be nice, but not sure it is worth the cost. It can
>> receive Hd stations, but not the radio reading service subcarriers.
>> In
>> accessibility mode, you can’t bookmark songs, read the Hd display for
>> data, or other things that I would have thought would have been made
>> available if the IAAIS was as involved with the design as they were.”
>> * The radio was designed to IAAIS specifications. IAAIS didn’t get
>> into the subject of screen reading meta data. I suspect screen reading
>> may be available in future, but htat is a much more complicated
>> approach and would significantly influence price. Fidelity is a matter
>> of taste. I think is sounds good, but, to each their own. It is not an
>> SCA radio as he says, but wasn’t meant to be. SCA is doomed, and all
>> reading services will have to vacate the SCA eventually. I have some
>> quibbles, mostly with regard to the manual, but I think this is a very
>> good first effort by best buy. If the radio sells, and indications are
>> it will, I think they will refine the design in time.
>>
>> ____________________Jim ___________________________
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/6/12, Gerald Levy <bwaylimited at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Be sure to provide us with your impressions and review of the Narrator
>>> when
>>>
>>> you receive it.
>>>
>>> Gerald
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "James Aldrich" <jajkaldrich at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 11:04 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] First User Review of Narrator HD Radio
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi again!
>>>>
>>>> One more thing! All the HD radios for home use I owned were clock
>>>> radios and any I have seen for home use were clock radios. The only
>>>> HD radio which isn't a clock radio is my little portable FM only
>>>> Insignia. For now, this is the way it is!
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>> On 7/6/12, James Aldrich <jajkaldrich at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Gerald and all,
>>>>> As I see it, this isn't the venue for discussing the merrit or lack of
>>>>> merrit of HD Radio or any other sources of radio for that matter!
>>>>> What I try to do is help people with what they wish to listen to and
>>>>> get the most out of whether it be satellite radio, HD radio or radio
>>>>> online. All of these forms of radio have their advantages and
>>>>> disadvantages. If we were on a radio forum or list of some type, we
>>>>> could go more into this topic! Broadcasters certainly haven't done
>>>>> what they could to make HD radio available everywhere! How can one
>>>>> evaluate HD radio if little to no content exists! If you tell me you
>>>>> haven't fiddled with your satellite radio antenna, I'd call you a
>>>>> liar! My discussion dealt more with evaluating the performance of the
>>>>> radio itself and what one must watch for especially when attempting to
>>>>> DX. You will probably listen to a local station when waking up in the
>>>>> morning. You no doubt will figure out how to drape the FM antenna so
>>>>> it is out of your way! If tuned to a local station, you shouldn't
>>>>> have to fiddle with it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Consider this! My Sangian HDR1 has one big knob in front. One pushes
>>>>> the knob in to turn on the radio. Once done, this sets the clock if
>>>>> it isn't set. It also adjusts the equalization, turns the volume up
>>>>> or down, tunes stations, places the radio in scan mode, places radio
>>>>> in memory mode for putting or deleting channels from memory and a host
>>>>> of other functions. Thank goodness this radio has a remote! That is
>>>>> the only way I can run it! If it didn't have a remote, I would have
>>>>> sent it back!
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe the Narrator will be a great improvement over my Sangian
>>>>> HDR1 when it comes to operating the radio even if everything may not
>>>>> speak! I think it is best to learn the radio before coming to any
>>>>> conclusions! I'm looking forward to receiving mine!
>>>>>
>>>>> A final thought! I can hear radio throughout the world online with my
>>>>> IPod and this cannot be done with Satellite ?Radio or HD Radio. I
>>>>> think all forms of radio have their place!
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/6/12, Gerald Levy <bwaylimited at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The fact that you have to constantly fiddle with the antenna to get
>>>>>> decent
>>>>>> HD radio reception is one of the main reasons why HD radio has never
>>>>>> attained widespread popularity with the general public and probably
>>>>>> never
>>>>>> will. Like digital TV, which was forced on the public by a bunch of
>>>>>> ignorant FCC bureaucrats, HD radio was implemented in a slipshod,
>>>>>> haphazard
>>>>>>
>>>>>> fashion that virtually guaranteed its failure. It seems to me that
>>>>>> adding
>>>>>> HD reception to a clock radio doesn't make a whole lot of sense
>>>>>> because
>>>>>> who
>>>>>>
>>>>>> wants to lay in bed in the morning and putz around with an antennajust
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> listen to a particular radio station? Maybe Best Buy would have been
>>>>>> better off including provisions for Sirius/XM reception in the
>>>>>> Narrator
>>>>>> instead of HD. Or better yet, it could have included the ability to
>>>>>> receive
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the audio portion of digital TV broadcasts. With all of its inherent
>>>>>> reception limitations, it seems to me that HD radio is a format
>>>>>> without
>>>>>> much
>>>>>>
>>>>>> of a future.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gerald
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "James Aldrich" <jajkaldrich at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>>>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 1:33 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] First User Review of Narrator HD Radio
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi all!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wish to post a few thoughts concerning the Best Buy Narrator. Mine
>>>>>>> could arrive as soon as tomorrow or as late as Monday, July 9th.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I now have two HD radios presently. I had one from radiosophy.com
>>>>>>> which I sold and replaced with a Sangian HDR1. Both of these are
>>>>>>> table radios. My third is the insignia portable radio from Best Buy.
>>>>>>> Some say it won't last more than two years and one cannot replace its
>>>>>>> battery! It appears to work quite well even though it is an FM radio
>>>>>>> only.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Part of the problem of displaying information from radio stations is
>>>>>>> this! Some stations may not be transmitting data in the first place.
>>>>>>> Others may transmit data however. The narrator won't get the 67 or
>>>>>>> 92
>>>>>>> KHZ sub carrier signals since it wasn't designed to get those in the
>>>>>>> first place. Many Radio Reading Services will be using an HD radio
>>>>>>> stream from one of the public radio stations in the future. Yes!
>>>>>>> Anyone with an HD radio may listen to radio reading services. That's
>>>>>>> fine by me!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One cannot compare analog radios with HD radios. These are different
>>>>>>> animals in a way! The HD radio will generate birdies and noise on
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> AM band especially which interferes with weaker signals. Mounting
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> AM loop to the radio will only keep the antenna close to the noise
>>>>>>> generated by the radio itself. This is part of the IBoc design! I
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> course cannot explain all of this but I have found this to be the
>>>>>>> case
>>>>>>> with the Sangian HDR1 I have presently! Move the AM loop 3 to 6
>>>>>>> inches or further from the radio for best results. One can loop out
>>>>>>> unwanted signals very effectively! On some wintery days, I was able
>>>>>>> to hear KSL in Salt Lake City from my home in Montana on HD. This
>>>>>>> doesn't stay in very long but it is possible! I have also heard KOA
>>>>>>> in Denver, and KFAB in Omaha from my basement in HD but these don't
>>>>>>> stay in very long. One needs a strong signal in order to get an HD
>>>>>>> stream to come in. When this happens, the experience is quite
>>>>>>> impressive! One doesn't get allot of noise or hum from any signals!
>>>>>>> In fact, it is truly FM quality from an AM station and CD quality
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>> an FM station! If there is any dead time on the station, one won't
>>>>>>> hear anything at all till the programming begins again!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My advice is to place your AM loop 3 inches from the radio for a
>>>>>>> local
>>>>>>> station, or place it further if you can from the unit itself. This
>>>>>>> reduces noise on an analog signal! If dxing, hold the loop in your
>>>>>>> hand and use it to null out local stations and bring in stations near
>>>>>>> the local station being looped out. I have a station on 970 KHZ. I
>>>>>>> can hear a sports station in Canada on 960, CFAC very comfortably
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> little to no interference from the local station. There is more of a
>>>>>>> noise factor on an analog station from an HD radio unit. I have
>>>>>>> heard
>>>>>>> WOAI out of SanAntonio Texas which is quite a find in my area!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My Sangian Radio has a whip antenna for FM or I can put the long
>>>>>>> antenna on it which works very well. I also put a pair of TV Rabbit
>>>>>>> Ears on that radio which worked quite well on the FM band.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Perhaps the Dream Machine had good sound and it wasn't too bad on AM
>>>>>>> but it was a horrible FM radio. One had to put up with that silly
>>>>>>> piece of wire which was a poor excuse for an FM antenna as I saw it!
>>>>>>> I'm glad I sold mine! At least with the narrator, one can choose
>>>>>>> which antenna can be used and it is a standard cable connector. I
>>>>>>> think too one must fiddle with the radio longer than two hours to
>>>>>>> really appreciate HD radio!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'll have more to say once I get my narrator so don't be discouraged!
>>>>>>> Keep the loop antenna away from the radio, connect that FM antenna
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> have a blast! What I wrote here is very typical of the HD radios I
>>>>>>> have used.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> HTH
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 7/4/12, Gerald Levy <bwaylimited at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Following is a brief review of the highly-anticipated Narrator HD
>>>>>>>> Radio
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> was posted by someone named Steve on another blind-techrelated
>>>>>>>> mailing
>>>>>>>> list.
>>>>>>>> The opinions expressed in this review are strictly his:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "For all the hoopla, and touting about its accessibility, I guess I
>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>> expecting more than a piece of below-average junk. Here are my
>>>>>>>>> quick
>>>>>>>>> findings:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1. As with most Am sections, the radio is completely deaf without
>>>>>>>>> connecting its loop antenna. I've only had the radio for a couple
>>>>>>>>> hours,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and haven't figured out a way to attach the loop to the radio. It
>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>> enough wire that it could be placed on a wall.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2. Similarly the Fm dipole is a must. Interestingly, instead of
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> F
>>>>>>>>> connectors that most tuners use these days, this has a cable type
>>>>>>>>> screw-on
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> connector. Sensitivity is good, selectivity and immunity to
>>>>>>>>> overload
>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>> mine is only fair.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 3. Menu Accessibility: It doesn't say this in the main radio
>>>>>>>>> manual
>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>> unless you look at the Quick-Start Guide for the Blind, you won't
>>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>>> that the Menu Mode is disabled when you are in accessibility mode.
>>>>>>>>> You
>>>>>>>>> enable accessibility mode by pressing the power button, the
>>>>>>>>> lefthand
>>>>>>>>> button on the top with the Select Button which is the lower-left
>>>>>>>>> button
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the front of the radio.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It appears that in this mode, you can set the time by holding the
>>>>>>>>> display
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> button in for two seconds. You can also set the alarm time for
>>>>>>>>> Alarm
>>>>>>>>> 1
>>>>>>>>> and Alarm 2. You can press either alarm to be informed that it is
>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>> off. What sighties can do is determine whether the alarm wakes you
>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> radio or a tone, this doesn't seem to work in accessibility mode.
>>>>>>>>> Sighted
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> people can also access the menu and make all sorts of other
>>>>>>>>> adjustments
>>>>>>>>> such as 12 or 24-hour time, tuning modes like U.S. or International
>>>>>>>>> Am/Fm
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> band limits and channel spacing,Lcd color and brightness, etc.
>>>>>>>>> These
>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> only available in the menu when the accessibility mode is turned
>>>>>>>>> off.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There is an option in the menu under the regular non-accessible
>>>>>>>>> mode
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> see what the hardware/software version of this radio is. However,
>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>> isn't a Usb or some other port to update the software, so even if a
>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>> version came out, I don't know if there is a way to update it. The
>>>>>>>>> manual
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> doesn't state that this is possible.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Also, there is no way to control the radio's verbosity. The
>>>>>>>>> buttons
>>>>>>>>> typically give you way too much feedback. For example, if you
>>>>>>>>> press
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> volume up button, it says something like Volume Up. That type of
>>>>>>>>> feedback
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> is nice when you are familiarizing yourself with the radio, but I
>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>> after a day or so it would be too verbose. It would be nice to be
>>>>>>>>> able
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> set it to advanced mode, where it wouldn't continue to be so
>>>>>>>>> verbose.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sound quality is better than a $29 off-the-shelf clock radio, but
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> isn't saying a whole lot for it. Those of you who have had the
>>>>>>>>> Sony
>>>>>>>>> Dream
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Machine, this doesn't compare to it as far as sound quality. I
>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> manual is written incorrectly. It claims it has 4 two-inch
>>>>>>>>> speakers,
>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> without ripping off the front grill or voiding my right to return
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> radio, it looks more like it has two four-inch speakers.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am not sure if I will keep this radio or not. Since I don't need
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> clock radio with all sorts of other alarm options, it is one of
>>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>> things that might be nice, but not sure it is worth the cost. It
>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>> receive Hd stations, but not the radio reading service subcarriers.
>>>>>>>>> In
>>>>>>>>> accessibility mode, you can't bookmark songs, read the Hd display
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> data, or other things that I would have thought would have been
>>>>>>>>> made
>>>>>>>>> available if the IAAIS was as involved with the design as they
>>>>>>>>> were."
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