[Electronics-talk] List manners [WAS "Re: Best Buy's HD Radio May Shut Us Skeptics UpFor Now"]

Christopher Chaltain chaltain at gmail.com
Tue Jun 5 12:27:46 UTC 2012 

I don't think proper spelling or use of a spell checker gives someone
the right to be rude and talk down to someone else on the list. This is
just me but seems a bit hypocritical in my mind.

On 05/06/12 07:15, Gabe Vega wrote:
> I was just making a comment that if you are going to come on this list and act all snarky and try and down talk a fellow subscriber, at least spell correctly. do blind people know how Goofy they look by the way they spell. Geeze. or use spell check or something. :-)
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> On Jun 5, 2012, at 5:12 AM, Stephen Guerra wrote:
> 
>> Nothing, that is his whole existence 
>>
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of from tim aune
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 7:08 AM
>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Best Buy's HD Radio May Shut Us Skeptics
>> UpFor Now
>>
>> What does this have to do with electronics talk?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Gabe Vega
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 6:45 AM
>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Best Buy's HD Radio May Shut Us Skeptics
>> UpFor Now
>>
>> all I want to know is, why can't blind people spell? and you wonder why the
>> unemployment rate is 70% I wouldn't hire anyone that couldn't spell.
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>> On Jun 5, 2012, at 4:30 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>>
>>> Okay.  You want to throw down the gontlet like that do you mister 
>>> nagativity?  Fine!  I accept your chalendge.  When the radio comes, I 
>>> will do a recording on exactly what happens with the out of the box 
>>> experience as a blind person.  I will also go in to a detailed 
>>> description of how the unit works.  Who knows, I might even rub it in 
>>> your nose a little.  You think you can do better?  Why don't you then?  
>>> Look, I'm not flaming here; at least, I sure don't mean it that way; 
>>> but, the plain fact is this.  YOu never have anything good to say 
>>> about anyone or anything.  YOu want completely accessible everything 
>>> yesterday and threten to sue if you don't get it; and then, when 
>>> somebody does come along and give it a try, you put it down.  I was 
>>> planning a recording on the subject of the radio even before your
>> chalendge to do one.
>>>
>>> Sorry Dave; but, frankly, I've just about had it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>
>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>>>
>>> Skype name:
>>> barefootedray
>>>
>>> On Jun 5, 2012, at 6:18 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I just visited the product support page for the Narrator "talking" HD 
>>>> clock radio and perused both the User Manual and standard Quick Start 
>>>> Guide.  To my great dismay, there is no mention of the speech 
>>>> function or any other special accessibility features in either 
>>>> document.  There is supposed to be a special quick start guide for 
>>>> visually impaired consumers, but it is not listed on the product 
>>>> support page.  In fact, reading both documents was enough to turn me 
>>>> off to this radio, because without any explanation of the 
>>>> blind-friendly accessibility features, this radio, which is menu 
>>>> driven, sounds like it would be difficult for a blind user to master.  
>>>> But this is not at all surprising, given that Insignia has a 
>>>> reputation for designing schlocky products.  Remember the 
>>>> voice-command talking clock radio it sold a few years ago?  It was 
>>>> plagued by so many technical glitches that it was quickly 
>>>> discontinued and wound up being sold on Cowboom for only $8.  I got 
>>>> stuck with one of these lemons , which now serves as a paperweight.  
>>>> So until someone does a comprehensive podcast that explains how to 
>>>> set up and use the Narrator radio, I will remain skeptical  and hold off
>> on ordering one, and advise others to do  likewise.
>>>>
>>>> Gerald
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "cheez" <cheez at cox.net>
>>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances" 
>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 1:22 AM
>>>> Subject: [Electronics-talk] Best Buy's HD Radio May Shut Us Skeptics 
>>>> Up For Now
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Best Buy is going to be selling a new HD Radio--called the 
>>>>> Narrator--starting in July. The radio, which was manufactured with 
>>>>> the blind in mind, will be selling for $99. If you want the added 
>>>>> two year protection plan, you will need to pay an extra $14.99.
>>>>>
>>>>> "With The Narrator coming to market, people with visual disabilities 
>>>>> will have a radio that they can program and tune themselves," said 
>>>>> Dave Noble, chairman of government relations for IAAIS.
>>>>>
>>>>> For years, blind people have had to pay a lot of money for radios 
>>>>> with single purpose receivers that provided low audio quality.  Now, 
>>>>> the Narrator, a table top receiver, speaks commands as soon as a 
>>>>> blind or visually impaired person turns it on. However, this feature 
>>>>> can be turned off so that a sighted person can use the radio silently as
>> well.
>>>>> This makes the radio have universal appeal for everyone and will 
>>>>> also help to keep the price lower.  With speech turned on, the radio 
>>>>> will announce the artist and song, and will show and announce visual 
>>>>> images as well. The radio is also equipped with large buttons with 
>>>>> raised lettering.
>>>>>
>>>>> Another great feature is that the radio comes with a PDF Quick Start 
>>>>> Guide, along with a user manual. In addition, you can get the 
>>>>> warranty information as a PDF document as well. All of these 
>>>>> documents can be downloaded from the Best Buy website and have been 
>>>>> verified to be accessible with screen readers.
>>>>>
>>>>> The radio was created with input from the International Association 
>>>>> of Audio Information Services, the group that represents Radio 
>>>>> Reading Services.  The radio manufacturer chose to partner with the 
>>>>> IAAIS to help identify and solve issues for the everyday technology 
>>>>> needs of people with visual disabilities.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Narrator will be promoted on air by iBiquity and its alliance 
>>>>> member stations. It will be marketed under the Best Buy Insignia brand.
>>>>>
>>>>> While the visually impaired community has had other radio companies 
>>>>> create accessible products (C. Crane comes to mind), it's fantastic 
>>>>> to see that a very large electronics company like Best Buy is taking 
>>>>> an interest in accessible products and teaming up with organizations 
>>>>> who can help them design the radio from the ground up.  It's also 
>>>>> incredibly beneficial that they created a product that is equally 
>>>>> usable for both the sighted and visually impaired--an important 
>>>>> element in keeping the cost as low as possible.  Hopefully, others 
>>>>> will follow the lead of companies like Best Buy and Apple and begin 
>>>>> building accessibility into their products that can serve everyone
>> equally.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sources: 
>>>>> http://radioworld.com/article/best-buy-takes-pre-orders-for-'the-nar
>>>>> rator'-/213556
>>>>> http://www.dealerscope.com/article/best-buy-debuts-talking-hd-radio/
>>>>> 1
>>>>>
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