[Electronics-talk] List manners [WAS "Re: Best Buy's HD Radio May Shut Us Skeptics UpFor Now"]

Gabe Vega theblindtech at gmail.com
Tue Jun 5 12:32:51 UTC 2012 

my email was started because of how Ray was talking to Jarred, so if we want to talk about how users act towards each other we should proably start at him. right?
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On Jun 5, 2012, at 5:27 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:

> I don't think proper spelling or use of a spell checker gives someone
> the right to be rude and talk down to someone else on the list. This is
> just me but seems a bit hypocritical in my mind.
> 
> On 05/06/12 07:15, Gabe Vega wrote:
>> I was just making a comment that if you are going to come on this list and act all snarky and try and down talk a fellow subscriber, at least spell correctly. do blind people know how Goofy they look by the way they spell. Geeze. or use spell check or something. :-)
>> Gabe Vega - Sent from my Macbook Air
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>> On Jun 5, 2012, at 5:12 AM, Stephen Guerra wrote:
>> 
>>> Nothing, that is his whole existence 
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of from tim aune
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 7:08 AM
>>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Best Buy's HD Radio May Shut Us Skeptics
>>> UpFor Now
>>> 
>>> What does this have to do with electronics talk?
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Gabe Vega
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 6:45 AM
>>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Best Buy's HD Radio May Shut Us Skeptics
>>> UpFor Now
>>> 
>>> all I want to know is, why can't blind people spell? and you wonder why the
>>> unemployment rate is 70% I wouldn't hire anyone that couldn't spell.
>>> Gabe Vega - Sent from my Macbook Air
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>>> Email: theblindtech at gmail.com
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>>> 
>>> On Jun 5, 2012, at 4:30 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Okay.  You want to throw down the gontlet like that do you mister 
>>>> nagativity?  Fine!  I accept your chalendge.  When the radio comes, I 
>>>> will do a recording on exactly what happens with the out of the box 
>>>> experience as a blind person.  I will also go in to a detailed 
>>>> description of how the unit works.  Who knows, I might even rub it in 
>>>> your nose a little.  You think you can do better?  Why don't you then?  
>>>> Look, I'm not flaming here; at least, I sure don't mean it that way; 
>>>> but, the plain fact is this.  YOu never have anything good to say 
>>>> about anyone or anything.  YOu want completely accessible everything 
>>>> yesterday and threten to sue if you don't get it; and then, when 
>>>> somebody does come along and give it a try, you put it down.  I was 
>>>> planning a recording on the subject of the radio even before your
>>> chalendge to do one.
>>>> 
>>>> Sorry Dave; but, frankly, I've just about had it.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>> 
>>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>>>> 
>>>> Skype name:
>>>> barefootedray
>>>> 
>>>> On Jun 5, 2012, at 6:18 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I just visited the product support page for the Narrator "talking" HD 
>>>>> clock radio and perused both the User Manual and standard Quick Start 
>>>>> Guide.  To my great dismay, there is no mention of the speech 
>>>>> function or any other special accessibility features in either 
>>>>> document.  There is supposed to be a special quick start guide for 
>>>>> visually impaired consumers, but it is not listed on the product 
>>>>> support page.  In fact, reading both documents was enough to turn me 
>>>>> off to this radio, because without any explanation of the 
>>>>> blind-friendly accessibility features, this radio, which is menu 
>>>>> driven, sounds like it would be difficult for a blind user to master.  
>>>>> But this is not at all surprising, given that Insignia has a 
>>>>> reputation for designing schlocky products.  Remember the 
>>>>> voice-command talking clock radio it sold a few years ago?  It was 
>>>>> plagued by so many technical glitches that it was quickly 
>>>>> discontinued and wound up being sold on Cowboom for only $8.  I got 
>>>>> stuck with one of these lemons , which now serves as a paperweight.  
>>>>> So until someone does a comprehensive podcast that explains how to 
>>>>> set up and use the Narrator radio, I will remain skeptical  and hold off
>>> on ordering one, and advise others to do  likewise.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Gerald
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "cheez" <cheez at cox.net>
>>>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances" 
>>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 1:22 AM
>>>>> Subject: [Electronics-talk] Best Buy's HD Radio May Shut Us Skeptics 
>>>>> Up For Now
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Best Buy is going to be selling a new HD Radio--called the 
>>>>>> Narrator--starting in July. The radio, which was manufactured with 
>>>>>> the blind in mind, will be selling for $99. If you want the added 
>>>>>> two year protection plan, you will need to pay an extra $14.99.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "With The Narrator coming to market, people with visual disabilities 
>>>>>> will have a radio that they can program and tune themselves," said 
>>>>>> Dave Noble, chairman of government relations for IAAIS.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> For years, blind people have had to pay a lot of money for radios 
>>>>>> with single purpose receivers that provided low audio quality.  Now, 
>>>>>> the Narrator, a table top receiver, speaks commands as soon as a 
>>>>>> blind or visually impaired person turns it on. However, this feature 
>>>>>> can be turned off so that a sighted person can use the radio silently as
>>> well.
>>>>>> This makes the radio have universal appeal for everyone and will 
>>>>>> also help to keep the price lower.  With speech turned on, the radio 
>>>>>> will announce the artist and song, and will show and announce visual 
>>>>>> images as well. The radio is also equipped with large buttons with 
>>>>>> raised lettering.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Another great feature is that the radio comes with a PDF Quick Start 
>>>>>> Guide, along with a user manual. In addition, you can get the 
>>>>>> warranty information as a PDF document as well. All of these 
>>>>>> documents can be downloaded from the Best Buy website and have been 
>>>>>> verified to be accessible with screen readers.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The radio was created with input from the International Association 
>>>>>> of Audio Information Services, the group that represents Radio 
>>>>>> Reading Services.  The radio manufacturer chose to partner with the 
>>>>>> IAAIS to help identify and solve issues for the everyday technology 
>>>>>> needs of people with visual disabilities.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The Narrator will be promoted on air by iBiquity and its alliance 
>>>>>> member stations. It will be marketed under the Best Buy Insignia brand.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> While the visually impaired community has had other radio companies 
>>>>>> create accessible products (C. Crane comes to mind), it's fantastic 
>>>>>> to see that a very large electronics company like Best Buy is taking 
>>>>>> an interest in accessible products and teaming up with organizations 
>>>>>> who can help them design the radio from the ground up.  It's also 
>>>>>> incredibly beneficial that they created a product that is equally 
>>>>>> usable for both the sighted and visually impaired--an important 
>>>>>> element in keeping the cost as low as possible.  Hopefully, others 
>>>>>> will follow the lead of companies like Best Buy and Apple and begin 
>>>>>> building accessibility into their products that can serve everyone
>>> equally.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sources: 
>>>>>> http://radioworld.com/article/best-buy-takes-pre-orders-for-'the-nar
>>>>>> rator'-/213556
>>>>>> http://www.dealerscope.com/article/best-buy-debuts-talking-hd-radio/
>>>>>> 1
>>>>>> 
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