[Electronics-talk] Cable/setup boxes

Mon Jun 18 21:47:31 UTC 2012

I don't know how much it'll scare the cable companies, but I for one
appreciate those who worked hard to get this bill passed, and I think
filing complaints now and in the future will make a difference. Surely
it'll make more of a difference than doing nothing but complaining how
hopeless it all is. Maybe your contribution could be to stop trying to
convince others how pointless it is to try to change anything. I also
don't think that either presidential candidate will disembowel the FCC
to the point that it'll be ineffective in this case, although I'll be
curious to read any statements either candidate has made on crippling
the FCC, if you have any pointers to such statements. Besides, given how
hopeless you think it is, I'm surprised you think whoever wins the
presidential race can make things even worse.

On 18/06/12 16:25, Gerald Levy wrote:
> 
> So we can file complaints with the FCC in 2013.  Whoopee! That ought to
> scare the bejeebers out of those greedy cable company executives.  If a
> certain Republican candidate wins the presidential election, it won't
> matter anyway, because this individual would like to dismantle a lot of
> government agencies and reduce federal regulations which he claims hurt
> the economy. So the FCC could wind up even more ineffective than it
> already is.
> 
> Gerald
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Wayland"
> <larry.wayland at arkansas.gov>
> To: "'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'"
> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 5:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Cable/setup boxes
> 
> 
>> Twenty-First Century Communications and Video Accessibility Act of
>> 2010 (2010;
>> I think the above act will help with the problem you are discussing.
>> If I remember right  the companies have until October 2013 to come
>> into compliance. Then consumers will be able to file complaints with
>> the FCC.
>> Larry
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
>> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 3:07 PM
>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Cable/settop boxes
>>
>>
>> No, the cable companies will carry the SAP signal.  But the problem is
>> that
>> most of us won't be able to turn it on or off because their converter
>> boxes
>> are not accessible,  and their remotes have no dedicated SAP button, a
>> problem the cable companies have absolutely no interest in
>> addressing.  So
>> for all intents and purposes, it won't make any difference whether or not
>> the cable companies carry described audio programming on the SAP channel
>> because without sighted help, most of us  won't be able to access it.
>>
>> Gerald
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brett Boyer" <bboyer202 at gmail.com>
>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 2:52 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Cable/settop boxes
>>
>>
>>> Wait a minute. So you mean we'll still have to fight to get s A p
>>> carried
>>> through the greedy cable companies? When nbc and fox and everybody roles
>>> out this supposed new thing the cable companies will have to be
>>> persuaded
>>> to carry the signal too? If that's the case than that is going to be an
>>> uphill battle.
>>> I really hope thats not the case.
>>> bb
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at att.net>
>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 4:20 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Cable/settop boxes
>>>
>>>
>>>> Now that's interesting that you should mention that about their Iphone
>>>> app.  When I tried it, it was an accessibility disaster.  I could see
>>>> that I had recorded shows but couldn't read the titles to save my life.
>>>> This was around March of 2010.  Maybe I'll have to give it another look
>>>> then. I have tried and tried to pursuade AT&T U-verse to pass  through
>>>> the SAP channel for my locals but the only one they will do that for is
>>>> channel 12, my local PBS.  Ain't given' up though.
>>>>
>>>> It, however, is true that one can turn on SAP with relative eas
>>>> using the
>>>> AT&T U-verse remote.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>>
>>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>>>>
>>>> Skype name:
>>>> barefootedray
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 18, 2012, at 12:43 AM, Brett Boyer wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> es! And thanks to barefooted Ray. The way to turn sap on and off with
>>>>> at&t u-verse remote. Not to mention that there i-phone app is 70
>>>>> perdent
>>>>> accessible. Enough to view and record shows. It's not perfect butt
>>>>> maybe
>>>>> with a letter to the developers it could be.
>>>>> Anyway just throwing this one out there.
>>>>> bb
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny Keller"
>>>>> <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 3:01 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Cable/settop boxes
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Just for anyone's knowledge.  Comcast has it to where you can program
>>>>>> your DVR and watch on demand programs on the computer, also, if you
>>>>>> have an iPhone, and you have a compatible box for the xfinity ap, you
>>>>>> can do the programming of the DVR, and control your TV and voiceover
>>>>>> works with that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just for people who didn't know that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It doesn't do me any good to have the ap on my iPhone, cause I don't
>>>>>> have a compatible box, but I use the on demand thing if I miss a show
>>>>>> or something.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know about with JAWS or window eyes, but I know that the
>>>>>> site,
>>>>>> I believe it's xfinitytv.net, or you can just call comcast itself to
>>>>>> ask what the site name is to get to on demand is, and it's very
>>>>>> accessible with voiceover.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jenny
>>>>>> On Jun 15, 2012, at 6:55 AM, from tim aune wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you have comcasts converter boxes for older tv's, they have an
>>>>>>> SAP
>>>>>>> button on the supplied remote.  I think that the boxes for HD tv
>>>>>>> boxes
>>>>>>> make you go into the menue to get to the SAP service.
>>>>>>> Tim Aune
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: John Riehl
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 6:42 AM
>>>>>>> To: 'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'
>>>>>>> Subject: [Electronics-talk] Cable/settop boxes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I just read the announcement re more descriptive audio being
>>>>>>> available
>>>>>>> soon.
>>>>>>> That's great!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm curious what the status is of the cable companies and TV
>>>>>>> manufacturers
>>>>>>> providing accessible settop boxes. I've tried contacting comcast but
>>>>>>> can't
>>>>>>> find a contact info; I'm not sure where to start with Verizon. What
>>>>>>> are NFB
>>>>>>> and orgs like AFB doing in this regard?
>>>>>>> I'm tired of paying for services I  can't use, much less not being
>>>>>>> able to
>>>>>>> navigate my tv's menu. I know about the talking Panasonic tv's being
>>>>>>> available in Great Britain; are they available here in the US?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for any info anyone has!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Panasonic
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John Riehl
>>>>>>>
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