[Electronics-talk] GPS in the Big City

Thu Apr 11 17:29:24 UTC 2013

Osman,

I'm not sure what imove is.  I googled for it and didn't find
anything.

Can you enlighten us?

Jim

On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 11:59:48AM -0400, Osman Koroma wrote:
> Whats the different between Blind Square and Imove?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Apr 11, 2013, at 11:48, Jim Barbour <jbar at barcore.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hey Bryan,
> > 
> > I would say blind square is a really good place to start.
> > 
> > Jim
> > 
> > On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 10:44:37AM -0500, Bryan Schulz wrote:
> >> hi,
> >> 
> >> exactly, which one  is better for knowing what stores are close or what
> >> street you are close to?
> >> Bryan Schulz
> >> 
> >> 
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Chaltain"
> >> <chaltain at gmail.com>
> >> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
> >> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 9:53 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] GPS in the Big City
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> I don't think there's a consensus on the best GPS app. I'd suggest giving
> >>> the built in Maps app, Google Maps and MapQuest a try. They're all free.
> >>> Navigon, which is not free, also gets mentioned quite a bit. It allows you
> >>> to download and store maps on your phone, so if you're worried about data
> >>> costs, this is a good option.
> >>> 
> >>> There are also half a dozen apps or more that give you additional
> >>> information, such as points of interest around you, nearby cross streets,
> >>> information on public transportation and so on. Maybe you could provide a
> >>> better idea of what you're looking for or take a look at applevis.com for
> >>> more information on navigation apps and reviews and opinions by blind
> >>> users.
> >>> 
> >>> On 04/11/2013 09:37 AM, Osman Koroma wrote:
> >>>> Hello all,
> >>>> Whats the best GPS app to use?
> >>>> 
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>> 
> >>>> On Apr 11, 2013, at 10:32, Jim Barbour <jbar at barcore.com> wrote:
> >>>> 
> >>>>> I don't think anybody's map information includes information such as
> >>>>> if there's a sidewalk.  This problem is compounded by a lack of
> >>>>> information about contruction zones, etc.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Apps such as Google Maps will give you pedestrian routes to a
> >>>>> destination.
> >>>>> It is then up to us, as it is with a sighted pedestrian, to be aware
> >>>>> of the route and any barriers pedestrians face while getting there.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Jim
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 08:51:32AM -0400, Gerald Levy wrote:
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> The problem with all these GPS apps and devices is that they are
> >>>>>> designed to
> >>>>>> simply give you directions for the shortest route between two
> >>>>>> points, not
> >>>>>> necessarily the safest route.  If these devices were truly designed
> >>>>>> with
> >>>>>> blind pedestrians in mind, their primary route  suggestion,
> >>>>>> regardless of
> >>>>>> length, should include only streets with sidewals or walkways that are
> >>>>>> isolated from traffic.    If no such route is available, then they
> >>>>>> should
> >>>>>> alert you to this fact.  When you use Google Maps to get directions
> >>>>>> between
> >>>>>> two points, the walking directions include a warning, if
> >>>>>> appropriate, that
> >>>>>> some parts of the trip may involve walking on highways or other
> >>>>>> areas that
> >>>>>> might be hazardous.  GPS devices designed for the blind should do
> >>>>>> the same.
> >>>>>> After all, when you work with an O&M instructor, he will usually
> >>>>>> recommend
> >>>>>> the safest route between two points even if it means walking out of
> >>>>>> your way
> >>>>>> to get to your destination.
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Gerald
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tracy Carcione"
> >>>>>> <carcione at access.net>
> >>>>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
> >>>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 8:16 AM
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] GPS in the Big City
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Occasionally, I have asked Sendero GPS to create a pedestrian route,
> >>>>>>> hoping it would give me a non-highway way to get somewhere, and it has
> >>>>>>> told me to walk on the highway.  NOT!
> >>>>>>> Tracy
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kaye" <kayezimpher at comcast.net>
> >>>>>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
> >>>>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 5:01 PM
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] GPS in the Big City
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> I am from Atlanta, and while that is no Manhattan, I know many blind
> >>>>>>>> people who successfully use various gps apps on their Iphones. I have
> >>>>>>>> only heard of one time that the gps advised a person to turn on
> >>>>>>>> to the
> >>>>>>>> highway, even though the app was in pedestrian mode. That might
> >>>>>>>> not have
> >>>>>>>> ended well if he had not know where he was going.
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: David Andrews
> >>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 12:37 PM
> >>>>>>>> To: Tracy Carcione ; Discussion of accessible electronics and
> >>>>>>>> appliances
> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] GPS in the Big City
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> I have used Street Talk on a Pac Mate, in the distant past, and in
> >>>>>>>> Philadelphia, I had the same problems with tall buildings.\
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> Dave
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> At 10:49 AM 4/10/2013, you wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> I work in midtown Manhattan.  I have Sendero GPS, running on a
> >>>>>>>>> Braillenote PK.  I find it pretty unreliable in New York City,
> >>>>>>>>> probably because of the many tall buildings.  It frequently
> >>>>>>>>> says I'm 2
> >>>>>>>>> blocks away from where I know I am, and heading in a different
> >>>>>>>>> direction than I'm heading.  My question is, does this happen
> >>>>>>>>> with all
> >>>>>>>>> GPS in big cities, or is it because the GPS is running on a PK, not
> >>>>>>>>> the most powerful system in the world? Would, say, IPhone GPS
> >>>>>>>>> be more
> >>>>>>>>> reliable in the big city?
> >>>>>>>>> I am only interested in the big city aspect.  At home, in north
> >>>>>>>>> Jersey, the Sendero and PK work reasonably well.
> >>>>>>>>> Thanks.
> >>>>>>>>> Tracy
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> 
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