[Electronics-talk] thinking of switching to an Android

Sat Dec 20 00:29:39 UTC 2014

okay, here it goes.

1. Scrolling: Talkback has extremely unpredictable scrolling. You can end up 
scrolling half of a page or six pages by the slightest difference in speed 
when moving two fingers up and down the screen. It is a huge pain to deal 
with.
2. Flicking: the flick left and right jestures to move between objects is 
highly unreliable. It frequenly skips objects and in a lot of apps, the 
flick order doesn't match the layout of objects on the screen. For example, 
in a lot of apps, Talkback gets to the tabs last as if the tabs are on the 
bottom of the screen, even when they are on the top. I highly recommend that 
you get used to touch exploration if you're going to use an Android device.
3. Poor developer documentation: Android has poor documentation to app 
developers who wish to make their apps accessible to visually impaired users 
using the Talkback service. I would never use a platform that makes it 
difficult to implement accessibility.

With that said, Talkback has some advantages. It's more reliable than 
Voiceover on iOS for web navigation due to recent improvements in Chrome 
accessibility. It does not randomly lose your place when you're flicking 
through elements on a web page like Voiceover on iOS likes to do.

I hope this helps.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Star Gazer via Electronics-talk
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 7:21 AM
To: mbuntan at gmail.com ; 'Discussion of accessible electronics and 
appliances'
Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] thinking of switching to an Android

Such as? What does talkback need to catch up on? Asking to be serious not to
be an ass. I really do want to know.

-----Original Message-----
From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Monthian Buntan via Electronics-talk
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 10:00 PM
To: Dennis Long; Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] thinking of switching to an Android

True or false is rather subjective. Android accessibility is, unfortuantely,
not universally built into the system of Android.
There're a lot of things Talkback needs to catch up.

Best,

Monthian.

On 19/12/2557 6:45, Dennis Long wrote:
> that is absolutely not true.
>
> On 12/18/2014 6:16 PM, Monthian Buntan via Electronics-talk wrote:
>> I've been using both. I found android phone to remain a toy while
>> iPhone to be more so of a working tool.
>> Better see whether android 5.01 will give us any significant
>> improvement.
>> Best,
>> Monthian.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>> On Dec 19, 2557 BE, at 5:15 AM, Aleeha Dudley via Electronics-talk
>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> I feel quite geeky but I don't want my main communication device to
>>> have so many issues that I can't get work done. I need a phone, not
>>> a puzzle. So iPhone it is for me.
>>>
>>> Aleeha Dudley and seeing eye dog Dallas Vice President, Ohio
>>> Association of blind students Blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com "The wind
>>> of Heaven is that which blows between a horse's ears."
>>> Arabian proverb
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Dec 18, 2014, at 3:07 PM, Jim Barbour via Electronics-talk
>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm a very geeky/techy guy who loves figuring things out, and the
>>>> android isn't for my taste either.
>>>>
>>>> Talkback just feels very bolted on, not well integrated into the
>>>> opeating environment at all.
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 02:44:58PM -0500, Linda Bloodsaw wrote:
>>>>> I just entered the smartphone market this year with an Android.
>>>>> Too many unlabeled buttons for my taste. I have been using an
>>>>> iPhone for a month, and I like it much better. It is easier to use
>>>>> for me.  I cannot remember which podcast I was listening to, but
>>>>> the person said if you are the kind of person who likes figuring
>>>>> things out, or finding a work around, a geeky type of person, then
>>>>> Android is for you.  If you want something that just works, then
>>>>> an iPhone would be better for you.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Dec 18, 2014, at 11:03 AM, Jim Barbour via Electronics-talk
>>>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would make sure you know what you're getting before you get it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I keep hoping that Android/Talkback will improve to rival the
>>>>>> user experience I get on the iPhone, but it hasn't happened yet.
>>>>>> Every time a new Android version is released, I find a Nexus
>>>>>> device and try it out.  Even with Lollypop, it's not that great yet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are some reasons to go with Android.  Cost and employer
>>>>>> lock in being at the top of the list, along with the ability to
>>>>>> find phones with physical buttons.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm trying to provide a balanced viewpoint here, while still
>>>>>> making my own personal preferences known.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hope this helps,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 09:20:31AM -0500, Star Gazer via
>>>>>>> Electronics-talk wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi folks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've been a longtime Iphone user. My husband recently got a
>>>>>>> Galaxy 5s phone and I discovered that it talks. I'm thinking of
>>>>>>> switching to an Android phone and want to know what others
>>>>>>> think. Does it read apps well?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So far, it seems to read texts and the home screen. I had some
>>>>>>> trouble using Facebook but don't know if that was due to a
>>>>>>> poorly designed app, or me not knowing what I was doing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd be curious to know if others on the list have had
>>>>>>> experiences with the speech output feature of the Galaxy 5s and
>>>>>>> what those experiences have been.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks much
>>>>>>>
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