[Electronics-talk] Color Identification Technology

Sun Dec 20 23:16:27 UTC 2015

I think ties are barbaric.  When they made my husband start wearing them to 
work, it looked like they were going to choke him to death.  He said they 
felt like that, too.  Pam.

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From: cheez via Electronics-talk
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Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Color Identification Technology

I hate ties.  I tried to eat one when I was 14.  I didn't know it was lying
on top of the chocolate cake I was attempting to eat.  Thought the cake was
rather tuff when the fork wouldn't penetrate it.

Vince

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Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Color Identification Technology

>I remember Dr. Jernigan saying that his system for ties was to label each
> with a braille number, then to add the number to a braille chart with as
> much description as he felt was necessary.  Quite similar to Ben's idea of
> adding a braille code to a label.
> Tracy
>
>
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> From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Jim McCarthy via Electronics-talk
> Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 9:59 AM
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> Cc: Jim McCarthy
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Color Identification Technology
>
> Ben, I agree with you about color identifiers, though I may not go as far 
> as
> to say they are the least supportive of independence of technologies. In 
> my
> opinion, they help me confirm clothing is that I believe it to be or help
> when two items feel the same, two identical shirts of different colors, 
> for
> example. I also use to identify socks. Expensive solutions for those uses, 
> I
> suppose but I own one so... I agree completely with Tracy that the hard 
> ware
> devices work better than the mobile apps and that neither works with 
> patters
> as she described for her skirts and the like, information that is quite
> necessary to coordinate well. I have used, with quite good success, the ID
> Mate bar code readers to do this. That is a costly solution that the Pen
> Friend could accomplish in quite the same manner for less cost. The reason 
> I
> think these better solutions than braille is that one can record
> coordinating information for items like men's ties. You can say not only 
> the
> colors and patterns but what color suits you own that each tie would work
> with and even how that might change based on the color of the shirt 
> chosen.
> That degree of detail takes up lots of braille, though one might come up
> with short notations that works for him in braille. My biggest challenge 
> in
> all this is making the original investment of time, but as you said, once
> made, the information remains available so it is definitely worth doing.
> Best
> Jim McCarthy
>
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> Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via Electronics-talk
> Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 8:49 AM
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> Cc: Tracy Carcione
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Color Identification Technology
>
> Hi Ben.
> I have the Cobol color identifier, and it does OK.  I hear the Colorino 
> does
> OK, too.  My Cobol works better than the Color ID app on my iPhone, which
> seems to require optimal light conditions for even adequate results.
> The trouble with any of these solutions, IMO, is that they don't tell me
> anything about the pattern.  I have several multi-color skirts, and 
> several
> tops with stripes, checks, or other patterns, and I need to know that.
> Therefore, the best solution for clothes I have figured out is to rope in
> some sighted person whose color sense I trust, and get her to describe the
> item in question.  Then I write a braille label on a piece of braille 
> paper
> (thick plastic would also work), punch a hole in the top of the label,
> attach a twist-tie, and attach the other end of the twist-tie to the 
> hanger
> for the piece of clothing.  If it doesn't go on a hanger, I fold the label
> in with the clothing, or pin it on with a safety pin.  It takes more 
> initial
> investment than zapping something with a color identifier, but, once it's
> done, it's done for years, and is very accurate.
> For example, I could write "blue, purple, brown leaf pattern", or "blue 
> and
> white stripes".
>
> It would be possible to do something similar with something like the Pen
> Friend--create a recorded label with all the info needed and attach it to
> the clothing.
> HTH.
> Tracy
>
>
>
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> Behalf Of Benjamin Vercellone via Electronics-talk
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> Cc: Benjamin Vercellone
> Subject: [Electronics-talk] Color Identification Technology
>
>> Hello.
>> I have some questions regarding color identification technology. This
> could include dedicated devices, smart phone apps, etc.
>> I would like to know if anyone on this list has used a color
>> identifier
> and found it to be consistently helpful. I have used several hardware
> solutions up to this point, and have encountered considerable difficulty.
> With each color identification tool I have owned over the years (maybe 2 
> or
> 3), I have asked sighted family members or friends to tell me if they 
> agree
> or disagree with the answer given by the technology. The problem in my
> experience is that a large percentage of the time, the sighted people
> disagree with the answer given by the technology. I have had people tell 
> me
> all kinds of things, like how everyone interprets colors differently. Some
> people have told me that the human brain doesn't see the actual color
> anyway. I don't know if this is true, but I honestly don't care very much
> personally. I simply want to coordinate my clothing largely according to
> color, and to do this as effectively, independently, and spontaneously as
> possible. I desire to use technology  to this end if possible. I therefore
> care how people interpret the colors of my clothing. I want to have
> technology that agrees with the color analysis of sighted people most of 
> the
> time. If it's not perfect, that's fine. But the technology I have tried 
> has
> given results different from the human answers a huge percentage of the
> time. Even if this has been less than half of the time, it still concerns 
> me
> a lot. Furthermore, most sighted people from whom I gather color 
> information
> give answers that are mostly the same. Most people say a garment is a
> certain color, and if there has been an outlier in terms of the answer, it
> is usually on the part of the technology I have tried.
>> Has anyone else experienced this? Also, if anyone has bought a more
> expensive color identifier, I am wondering if this has increased accuracy. 
> I
> am open to suggessions as well as questions.
>> I have also tried using some apps on my iPhone. I have definitely had
>> the
> most success, though still spotty, with Tap Tap See. I am confident that
> others have tried this kind of approach as well. I like Tap Tap see more
> than other solutions I have tried thus far for a couple reasons. Most of
> all, I am pleased that there are humans available on the other end. This
> allows me to get an answer that I feel I can trust somewhat more. Also, 
> when
> this method works its best, I am often told the pattern of my garment as
> well, such as plaid. I am totally blind, by the way. I know that many 
> blind
> people have used various types of low-tech labeling solutions with 
> clothing,
> such as metallic braille tags, various shapes, etc. I am open to using 
> these
> methods as well. However, I want to gather information and perspectives 
> from
> other blind people who have used color identification technology.
>> To summarize my opinions, I believe that color identification
>> technology
> is one of the least reliable technologies I have used for independence up 
> to
> this point. If others have had much better experiences, I would love to 
> hear
> more, and be proven wrong. However, I can say for certain that in my
> experience, I have not had enough success with color identification
> technology to confidently coordinate my clothing by this means alone. 
> Also,
> I went completely blind at age 4, and only know about 10 to 15 colors
> accurately in my head. In other words, I do not desire a color identifier
> that boasts more than 600 colors or whatever. I am able to understand 
> light,
> medium, and dark for many colors. Also, if there is a color that I did not
> have in my vocabulary as a small child, I will need someone to describe it
> in relation to the basic colors. This helps me a fare amount. Still, I
> prefer simpler answers over sophisticated ones. Finally, can anyone give
> advice regarding how to find opti  mal lighting for apps like Tap Tap See?
> Any and all advice is appreciated!
>> Thank you,
>> Ben
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