[Electronics-talk] [EXTERNAL] Color Identification Technology

Sun Dec 20 06:15:30 UTC 2015

I don't know about chocolate, but I am sweet.  [grins]

However, I am American of African descent.  We have 2 color identifiers. 
The older one says I am brown, and the newer one says I am dark brown.
the older one says my wife whose of the Caucasian persuasion, says she is 
orange, and the  newer one says she is orange brown on her leg, and beige on 
her belly.

Vince

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From: "Tracy Carcione via Electronics-talk" <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
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Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] [EXTERNAL] Color Identification Technology

> Vince, are you actually chocolate-colored?  My color detector says I'm
> orange, at least where I'm not brown or red.  I'm Caucasian, so I'd think
> I'm more pink than orange. It always amuses me.
> Tracy
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> Behalf Of cheez via Electronics-talk
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> I've seen the color identifier you mentioned before, Andy.  I knew a guy
> that had one and he used it to see if a page was blank.
> It also would tell you the color spectrum, I believe.  Like, it would tell
> you how much red and blue and the such were in the color.
> The one thing I thought was weird about it was the bingo calling feature.
> There was no way to review the winning numbers.
> This same identifier said that I was vivid chocolate when I put it on my
> skin.  I've never heard of vivid chocolate until then.
>
> Vince
>
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>> In 2000 I purchased the Colortest 150 which was marketed by APH. At that
>> time it was the only product available. It was expensive, about $600.
>> Actually, this device performs several functions related to color and
>> light, and is not just a simple color identifier. My experience is that
>> it is accurate, even though at times my wife disagreed with its
>> rendering. This usually happened with an article of clothing that the
>> unit said was a very dark blue, but it looked black to my wife. It is
>> true that human perception of color can vary depending on lighting, etc.
>> The unit uses a very bright high intensity light. You place the unit
>> right up in physical contact with the item that you want to text. In
>> real life, we do not live in a world of bright light, so our perception
>> of color will vary. When my wife placed the garment under a high
>> intensity reading lamp that she had, she finally agreed that the garment
>> was indeed a very dark blue.
>>
>> The Colortest will speak shadings in addition to a simple blue, red,
>> etc. It will also give a reading for hue and intensity of the color. It
>> can also give you a reading in terms of wave length. A chart in print
>> and Braille is included, giving you the scale to use if you want to use
>> this reading. The device has a kind of panning mode where it emits a
>> tone that rises and falls as you move the device over a surface,
>> allowing you to detect changes in color that might denote a pattern on
>> the garment. It also serves as a simple light detector. So this device
>> will render a lot of info, perhaps more than you want to know, but it
>> will serve you well if you want to spend that amount of money. The
>> device has undergone changes since I bought mine, and will detect even
>> more colors and shades, and the price has risen accordingly. Since I
>> bought mine, other cheaper devices have come on the market, but I have
>> not tested them. Also, there are color detection apps for smart phones,
>> but I think that these serve more as a source of entertainment than a
>> useful service. Hopefully you will get feedback about the other devices
>> available, but I would advise that you stick with a dedicated device as
>> opposed to the smart phone apps.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>>
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>> Behalf Of Benjamin Vercellone via Electronics-talk
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>> Cc: Benjamin Vercellone
>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Electronics-talk] Color Identification Technology
>>
>>> Hello.
>>> I have some questions regarding color identification technology. This
>> could include dedicated devices, smart phone apps, etc.
>>> I would like to know if anyone on this list has used a color
>> identifier and found it to be consistently helpful. I have used several
>> hardware solutions up to this point, and have encountered considerable
>> difficulty. With each color identification tool I have owned over the
>> years (maybe 2 or 3), I have asked sighted family members or friends to
>> tell me if they agree or disagree with the answer given by the
>> technology. The problem in my experience is that a large percentage of
>> the time, the sighted people disagree with the answer given by the
>> technology. I have had people tell me all kinds of things, like how
>> everyone interprets colors differently. Some people have told me that
>> the human brain doesn't see the actual color anyway. I don't know if
>> this is true, but I honestly don't care very much personally. I simply
>> want to coordinate my clothing largely according to color, and to do
>> this as effectively, independently, and spontaneously as possible. I
>> desire to use technology to this
>> end if possible. I therefore care how people interpret the colors of my
>> clothing. I want to have technology that agrees with the color analysis
>> of sighted people most of the time. If it's not perfect, that's fine.
>> But the technology I have tried has given results different from the
>> human answers a huge percentage of the time. Even if this has been less
>> than half of the time, it still concerns me a lot. Furthermore, most
>> sighted people from whom I gather color information give answers that
>> are mostly the same. Most people say a garment is a certain color, and
>> if there has been an outlier in terms of the answer, it is usually on
>> the part of the technology I have tried.
>>> Has anyone else experienced this? Also, if anyone has bought a more
>> expensive color identifier, I am wondering if this has increased
>> accuracy. I am open to suggessions as well as questions.
>>> I have also tried using some apps on my iPhone. I have definitely had
>> the most success, though still spotty, with Tap Tap See. I am confident
>> that others have tried this kind of approach as well. I like Tap Tap see
>> more than other solutions I have tried thus far for a couple reasons.
>> Most of all, I am pleased that there are humans available on the other
>> end. This allows me to get an answer that I feel I can trust somewhat
>> more. Also, when this method works its best, I am often told the pattern
>> of my garment as well, such as plaid. I am totally blind, by the way. I
>> know that many blind people have used various types of low-tech labeling
>> solutions with clothing, such as metallic braille tags, various shapes,
>> etc. I am open to using these methods as well. However, I want to gather
>> information and perspectives from other blind people who have used color
>> identification technology.
>>> To summarize my opinions, I believe that color identification
>> technology is one of the least reliable technologies I have used for
>> independence up to this point. If others have had much better
>> experiences, I would love to hear more, and be proven wrong. However, I
>> can say for certain that in my experience, I have not had enough success
>> with color identification technology to confidently coordinate my
>> clothing by this means alone. Also, I went completely blind at age 4,
>> and only know about 10 to 15 colors accurately in my head. In other
>> words, I do not desire a color identifier that boasts more than 600
>> colors or whatever. I am able to understand light, medium, and dark for
>> many colors. Also, if there is a color that I did not have in my
>> vocabulary as a small child, I will need someone to describe it in
>> relation to the basic colors. This helps me a fare amount. Still, I
>> prefer simpler answers over sophisticated ones. Finally, can anyone give
>> advice regarding how to find optimal ligh
>> ting for apps like Tap Tap See? Any and all advice is appreciated!
>>> Thank you,
>>> Ben
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