[Electronics-talk] Color Identification Technology

cheez cheez at cox.net
Mon Dec 21 05:07:47 UTC 2015 

Your husband is correct.  I learned how to tie one once, but I forgot, since 
I don't wear them.  So I just brought a clip-on.  They are better.  But I 
still don't like ties.

Vince

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From: "Pamela Dominguez via Electronics-talk" <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
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Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Color Identification Technology


>I think ties are barbaric.  When they made my husband start wearing them to 
>work, it looked like they were going to choke him to death.  He said they 
>felt like that, too.  Pam.
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: cheez via Electronics-talk
> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2015 12:53 AM
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> I hate ties.  I tried to eat one when I was 14.  I didn't know it was 
> lying
> on top of the chocolate cake I was attempting to eat.  Thought the cake 
> was
> rather tuff when the fork wouldn't penetrate it.
>
> Vince
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tracy Carcione via Electronics-talk" <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
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> Cc: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
> Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2015 7:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Color Identification Technology
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>
>>I remember Dr. Jernigan saying that his system for ties was to label each
>> with a braille number, then to add the number to a braille chart with as
>> much description as he felt was necessary.  Quite similar to Ben's idea 
>> of
>> adding a braille code to a label.
>> Tracy
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Jim McCarthy via Electronics-talk
>> Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 9:59 AM
>> To: 'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'
>> Cc: Jim McCarthy
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Color Identification Technology
>>
>> Ben, I agree with you about color identifiers, though I may not go as far 
>> as
>> to say they are the least supportive of independence of technologies. In 
>> my
>> opinion, they help me confirm clothing is that I believe it to be or help
>> when two items feel the same, two identical shirts of different colors, 
>> for
>> example. I also use to identify socks. Expensive solutions for those 
>> uses, I
>> suppose but I own one so... I agree completely with Tracy that the hard 
>> ware
>> devices work better than the mobile apps and that neither works with 
>> patters
>> as she described for her skirts and the like, information that is quite
>> necessary to coordinate well. I have used, with quite good success, the 
>> ID
>> Mate bar code readers to do this. That is a costly solution that the Pen
>> Friend could accomplish in quite the same manner for less cost. The 
>> reason I
>> think these better solutions than braille is that one can record
>> coordinating information for items like men's ties. You can say not only 
>> the
>> colors and patterns but what color suits you own that each tie would work
>> with and even how that might change based on the color of the shirt 
>> chosen.
>> That degree of detail takes up lots of braille, though one might come up
>> with short notations that works for him in braille. My biggest challenge 
>> in
>> all this is making the original investment of time, but as you said, once
>> made, the information remains available so it is definitely worth doing.
>> Best
>> Jim McCarthy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via Electronics-talk
>> Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 8:49 AM
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>> Cc: Tracy Carcione
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Color Identification Technology
>>
>> Hi Ben.
>> I have the Cobol color identifier, and it does OK.  I hear the Colorino 
>> does
>> OK, too.  My Cobol works better than the Color ID app on my iPhone, which
>> seems to require optimal light conditions for even adequate results.
>> The trouble with any of these solutions, IMO, is that they don't tell me
>> anything about the pattern.  I have several multi-color skirts, and 
>> several
>> tops with stripes, checks, or other patterns, and I need to know that.
>> Therefore, the best solution for clothes I have figured out is to rope in
>> some sighted person whose color sense I trust, and get her to describe 
>> the
>> item in question.  Then I write a braille label on a piece of braille 
>> paper
>> (thick plastic would also work), punch a hole in the top of the label,
>> attach a twist-tie, and attach the other end of the twist-tie to the 
>> hanger
>> for the piece of clothing.  If it doesn't go on a hanger, I fold the 
>> label
>> in with the clothing, or pin it on with a safety pin.  It takes more 
>> initial
>> investment than zapping something with a color identifier, but, once it's
>> done, it's done for years, and is very accurate.
>> For example, I could write "blue, purple, brown leaf pattern", or "blue 
>> and
>> white stripes".
>>
>> It would be possible to do something similar with something like the Pen
>> Friend--create a recorded label with all the info needed and attach it to
>> the clothing.
>> HTH.
>> Tracy
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Benjamin Vercellone via Electronics-talk
>> Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 6:14 AM
>> To: electronics-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Benjamin Vercellone
>> Subject: [Electronics-talk] Color Identification Technology
>>
>>> Hello.
>>> I have some questions regarding color identification technology. This
>> could include dedicated devices, smart phone apps, etc.
>>> I would like to know if anyone on this list has used a color
>>> identifier
>> and found it to be consistently helpful. I have used several hardware
>> solutions up to this point, and have encountered considerable difficulty.
>> With each color identification tool I have owned over the years (maybe 2 
>> or
>> 3), I have asked sighted family members or friends to tell me if they 
>> agree
>> or disagree with the answer given by the technology. The problem in my
>> experience is that a large percentage of the time, the sighted people
>> disagree with the answer given by the technology. I have had people tell 
>> me
>> all kinds of things, like how everyone interprets colors differently. 
>> Some
>> people have told me that the human brain doesn't see the actual color
>> anyway. I don't know if this is true, but I honestly don't care very much
>> personally. I simply want to coordinate my clothing largely according to
>> color, and to do this as effectively, independently, and spontaneously as
>> possible. I desire to use technology  to this end if possible. I 
>> therefore
>> care how people interpret the colors of my clothing. I want to have
>> technology that agrees with the color analysis of sighted people most of 
>> the
>> time. If it's not perfect, that's fine. But the technology I have tried 
>> has
>> given results different from the human answers a huge percentage of the
>> time. Even if this has been less than half of the time, it still concerns 
>> me
>> a lot. Furthermore, most sighted people from whom I gather color 
>> information
>> give answers that are mostly the same. Most people say a garment is a
>> certain color, and if there has been an outlier in terms of the answer, 
>> it
>> is usually on the part of the technology I have tried.
>>> Has anyone else experienced this? Also, if anyone has bought a more
>> expensive color identifier, I am wondering if this has increased 
>> accuracy. I
>> am open to suggessions as well as questions.
>>> I have also tried using some apps on my iPhone. I have definitely had
>>> the
>> most success, though still spotty, with Tap Tap See. I am confident that
>> others have tried this kind of approach as well. I like Tap Tap see more
>> than other solutions I have tried thus far for a couple reasons. Most of
>> all, I am pleased that there are humans available on the other end. This
>> allows me to get an answer that I feel I can trust somewhat more. Also, 
>> when
>> this method works its best, I am often told the pattern of my garment as
>> well, such as plaid. I am totally blind, by the way. I know that many 
>> blind
>> people have used various types of low-tech labeling solutions with 
>> clothing,
>> such as metallic braille tags, various shapes, etc. I am open to using 
>> these
>> methods as well. However, I want to gather information and perspectives 
>> from
>> other blind people who have used color identification technology.
>>> To summarize my opinions, I believe that color identification
>>> technology
>> is one of the least reliable technologies I have used for independence up 
>> to
>> this point. If others have had much better experiences, I would love to 
>> hear
>> more, and be proven wrong. However, I can say for certain that in my
>> experience, I have not had enough success with color identification
>> technology to confidently coordinate my clothing by this means alone. 
>> Also,
>> I went completely blind at age 4, and only know about 10 to 15 colors
>> accurately in my head. In other words, I do not desire a color identifier
>> that boasts more than 600 colors or whatever. I am able to understand 
>> light,
>> medium, and dark for many colors. Also, if there is a color that I did 
>> not
>> have in my vocabulary as a small child, I will need someone to describe 
>> it
>> in relation to the basic colors. This helps me a fare amount. Still, I
>> prefer simpler answers over sophisticated ones. Finally, can anyone give
>> advice regarding how to find opti  mal lighting for apps like Tap Tap 
>> See?
>> Any and all advice is appreciated!
>>> Thank you,
>>> Ben
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