[Electronics-talk] Color Identification Technology

Mon Dec 21 04:38:18 UTC 2015

Those are the kind I have.  They don't destroy the socks like safety pins 
do.  Most of the time the socks last longer than the tuckers.
They had some other kind that had 2 holes you pulled the socks through.  But 
you couldn't get them on thick socks very well.

Vince

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From: "Pamela Dominguez via Electronics-talk" <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances" 
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Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Color Identification Technology

> My mother had these disks she got that looked like the inside was cut in 
> quarters, and the very outside was not cut.  You were supposed to pull the 
> socks through the slots to keep them together.  I never used them, because 
> I didn't know how that would not destroy the threads.  Pam.
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: cheez via Electronics-talk
> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2015 12:49 AM
> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
> Cc: cheez
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Color Identification Technology
>
> I use sock tuckers for my socks.  I used to use safety pins to keep the
> colors together, but the pins started tearing the socks after a while. 
> The
> sock tuckers can be bought at Maxiaid.
>
> For my plain white shirts, I cut a slit in the tag for identification.
> Fortunately, all of my white shirts have tags.  I know most shirts don't
> have tags these days.  However, if I do happen to get tagless shirts, I 
> will
> sew a small bump of thread in an in conspicuous place.
>
> Vince
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tracy Carcione via Electronics-talk" <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
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> Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2015 7:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Color Identification Technology
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>
>> Hi Ben.
>> That sounds like a good solution, though a safety pin seems simpler to 
>> me.
>> They're fine in the wash, in my experience. I believe I've seen a kind of
>> safety pin meant especially to go through the laundry, too, maybe at
>> BlindMiceMart.
>> I guess I don't have so many labelled clothes to put in the wash at one 
>> time
>> that I can't keep track of which goes where.  I look at the label and the
>> garment, then toss it in the wash, and put it back with its label when 
>> it's
>> clean.  The only exception would be plain, colored T-shirts that look the
>> same except for the color, but my color detector does OK with plain 
>> colors,
>> so I could use it to re-identify them.
>> Tracy
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Benjamin Vercellone via Electronics-talk
>> Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 10:13 AM
>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>> Cc: Benjamin Vercellone
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Color Identification Technology
>>
>> Hello Tracy.
>> Thank you for your advice. I especially like the method you described 
>> that
>> involves Braille, twist ties, etc. My only question was how you keep 
>> track
>> of your clothing when it is in the washer and dryer? How do you know that
>> you're putting each garment back on the correct hanger or pairing it with
>> the right label if you don't hang a particular garment? I had one idea 
>> after
>> I read your message. I was thinking that I could write my own short code 
>> at
>> the end of the Braille description. The code could be anything I come up
>> with. Maybe I would start with K1, for example. I would write this at the
>> end of the Braille description. The next garment, according to this 
>> system,
>> would have K2 at the end. Anyway, I could take a 3 by 5 inch plastic card
>> which I got from the NFB Independence Market. I could cut it into strips,
>> write the same codes on the strips, punch a whole in one end of each 
>> strip,
>> and find a way to attach the strips to the garment just for the duration 
>> of
>> the washer and d  ryer cycles. I was thinking I could use a binding clip 
>> or
>> something to attach each strip to any point on the garment. This 
>> connection
>> point would probably be the tag in most cases. I would undo one side of 
>> the
>> binding clip, put this wire part through the personal Braille tag as well 
>> as
>> the tag of the garment, reattach the whire part to it's intended position 
>> in
>> the binding clip, and then throw the garment in the laundry.
>> These are my thoughts at this point. Please let me know what you think.
>> Ben
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Dec 18, 2015, at 7:49 AM, Tracy Carcione via Electronics-talk
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Ben.
>>> I have the Cobol color identifier, and it does OK.  I hear the
>>> Colorino does OK, too.  My Cobol works better than the Color ID app on
>>> my iPhone, which seems to require optimal light conditions for even
>> adequate results.
>>> The trouble with any of these solutions, IMO, is that they don't tell
>>> me anything about the pattern.  I have several multi-color skirts, and
>>> several tops with stripes, checks, or other patterns, and I need to know
>> that.
>>> Therefore, the best solution for clothes I have figured out is to rope
>>> in some sighted person whose color sense I trust, and get her to
>>> describe the item in question.  Then I write a braille label on a
>>> piece of braille paper (thick plastic would also work), punch a hole
>>> in the top of the label, attach a twist-tie, and attach the other end
>>> of the twist-tie to the hanger for the piece of clothing.  If it
>>> doesn't go on a hanger, I fold the label in with the clothing, or pin
>>> it on with a safety pin.  It takes more initial investment than
>>> zapping something with a color identifier, but, once it's done, it's 
>>> done
>> for years, and is very accurate.
>>> For example, I could write "blue, purple, brown leaf pattern", or
>>> "blue and white stripes".
>>>
>>> It would be possible to do something similar with something like the
>>> Pen Friend--create a recorded label with all the info needed and
>>> attach it to the clothing.
>>> HTH.
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Benjamin Vercellone via Electronics-talk
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>>> To: electronics-talk at nfbnet.org
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>>> Subject: [Electronics-talk] Color Identification Technology
>>>
>>>> Hello.
>>>> I have some questions regarding color identification technology. This
>>> could include dedicated devices, smart phone apps, etc.
>>>> I would like to know if anyone on this list has used a color
>>>> identifier
>>> and found it to be consistently helpful. I have used several hardware
>>> solutions up to this point, and have encountered considerable 
>>> difficulty.
>>> With each color identification tool I have owned over the years (maybe
>>> 2 or 3), I have asked sighted family members or friends to tell me if
>>> they agree or disagree with the answer given by the technology. The
>>> problem in my experience is that a large percentage of the time, the
>>> sighted people disagree with the answer given by the technology. I
>>> have had people tell me all kinds of things, like how everyone
>>> interprets colors differently. Some people have told me that the human
>>> brain doesn't see the actual color anyway. I don't know if this is
>>> true, but I honestly don't care very much personally. I simply want to
>>> coordinate my clothing largely according to color, and to do this as
>>> effectively, independently, and spontaneously as possible. I desire to
>>> use technology to this end if possible. I therefore care how people
>>> interpret the colors of my clothing. I want to have technology that
>>> agrees with the color analysis of sighted people most of the time. If
>>> it's not perfect, that's fine. But the technology I have tried has
>>> given results different from the human answers a huge percentage of
>>> the time. Even if this has been less than half of the time, it still
>>> concerns me a lot. Furthermore, most sighted people from whom I gather
>>> color information give answers that are mostly the same. Most people
>>> say a garment is a certain color, and if there has been an outlier in
>>> terms of the answer, it is usually on the part of the technology I have
>> tried.
>>>> Has anyone else experienced this? Also, if anyone has bought a more
>>> expensive color identifier, I am wondering if this has increased
>>> accuracy. I am open to suggessions as well as questions.
>>>> I have also tried using some apps on my iPhone. I have definitely had
>>>> the
>>> most success, though still spotty, with Tap Tap See. I am confident
>>> that others have tried this kind of approach as well. I like Tap Tap
>>> see more than other solutions I have tried thus far for a couple
>>> reasons. Most of all, I am pleased that there are humans available on
>>> the other end. This allows me to get an answer that I feel I can trust
>>> somewhat more. Also, when this method works its best, I am often told
>>> the pattern of my garment as well, such as plaid. I am totally blind,
>>> by the way. I know that many blind people have used various types of
>>> low-tech labeling solutions with clothing, such as metallic braille
>>> tags, various shapes, etc. I am open to using these methods as well.
>>> However, I want to gather information and perspectives from other blind
>> people who have used color identification technology.
>>>> To summarize my opinions, I believe that color identification
>>>> technology
>>> is one of the least reliable technologies I have used for independence
>>> up to this point. If others have had much better experiences, I would
>>> love to hear more, and be proven wrong. However, I can say for certain
>>> that in my experience, I have not had enough success with color
>>> identification technology to confidently coordinate my clothing by
>>> this means alone. Also, I went completely blind at age 4, and only
>>> know about 10 to 15 colors accurately in my head. In other words, I do
>>> not desire a color identifier that boasts more than 600 colors or
>>> whatever. I am able to understand light, medium, and dark for many
>>> colors. Also, if there is a color that I did not have in my vocabulary
>>> as a small child, I will need someone to describe it in relation to
>>> the basic colors. This helps me a fare amount. Still, I prefer simpler
>>> answers over sophisticated ones. Finally, can anyone give advice
>>> regarding how to find opti mal lighting for apps like Tap Tap See? Any 
>>> and
>> all advice is appreciated!
>>>> Thank you,
>>>> Ben
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