[Electronics-Talk] My Review of the ProxTalkerElectronicsBrailleLabeler

Jude DaShiell jdashiel at panix.com
Thu Dec 31 18:10:49 UTC 2015 

Probably the most a qwerty keyboard could do would be computer braille 
equivalent and using those symbols a user would have to mentally 
substitute those into Grade 2 or Grade 3 braille.

On Thu, 31 Dec 2015, cheez via Electronics-Talk wrote:

> Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 11:58:23
> From: cheez via Electronics-Talk <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> To: Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances
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> Cc: cheez <cheez at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] My Review of the
>     ProxTalkerElectronicsBrailleLabeler
> 
> Forgive me for being pedantic, but you'd have to throw in the number sign in 
> order to get the en in Brent.  But that would be cool if you were allowed to 
> use it.
>
> The contracted braile I referenced was literary braille.  I don't no anyone 
> that uses computer braille outside of the programmers I've encountered. Which 
> was very scarce.
>
> Vince
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brent Harding via Electronics-Talk" 
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> ProxTalkerElectronicsBrailleLabeler
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>> Yes, computer braille was one of those things they didn't teach when I was 
>> in grade school. I only learned a few of the odd symbols through the 
>> Braille 'n Speak trying to name files with contractions and seeing what I 
>> got. At times, I wish the FCC would let me change my ham radio call to 
>> BR5T, which is what you would have to type on the qwerty keyboard to get a 
>> grade 2 of Brent on the label.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jude DaShiell via Electronics-Talk" 
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> To: "cheez via Electronics-Talk" <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: "Jude DaShiell" <jdashiel at panix.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 8:00 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] My Review of the ProxTalker 
>> ElectronicsBrailleLabeler
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>> 
>>> If an external keyboard generated computer braille A user could generate 
>>> grade 2 and grade 3 braille but they would have to do translations in 
>>> their head to hit the right keys.  The of dots 12356 would be the left 
>>> parentheses and with 23456 would be the right parentheses.  I'd hate to 
>>> have to do that, but it would be a good mental exercise.
>>> 
>>> On Thu, 31 Dec 2015, cheez via Electronics-Talk wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 06:18:50
>>>> From: cheez via Electronics-Talk <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> To: Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances
>>>>     <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: cheez <cheez at cox.net>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] My Review of the ProxTalker
>>>>     ElectronicsBrailleLabeler
>>>> 
>>>> No contractions can be made using an external keyboard, and I've never 
>>>> heard of any keyboards ever having that capability.
>>>> And yes, translation software would drive the price higher.
>>>> But the majority of those that know braille I've met in the past 10 years 
>>>> or so, only know braille one.  Older minds seem to have less patience 
>>>> when it comes to learning new things.
>>>> 
>>>> Vince
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brent Harding via Electronics-Talk" 
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>>>> Cc: "Brent Harding" <brent at hostany.net>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2015 9:28 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] My Review of the ProxTalker 
>>>> ElectronicsBrailleLabeler
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Is this the same thing as the Six Dot I heard of on Accessible World? If 
>>>>> so, their presentation suggests that even if you bought the USB 
>>>>> keyboard, you will get grade 1 braille when using that since it sounds 
>>>>> like this thing doesn't have the smarts to do braille translation. As 
>>>>> far as speech recognition goes, I can see why that wouldn't be included. 
>>>>> It would take on the order of a computer processor in power to do that 
>>>>> accurately, not to mention that they would have to license Dragon or 
>>>>> some other technology, which would likely increase the price further. 
>>>>> The reason we have speech recognition in our phones is because Apple and 
>>>>> Google have remote servers at their disposal to do the hard work.
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "cheez via Electronics-Talk" 
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>>>>> Cc: "cheez" <cheez at cox.net>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2015 9:27 PM
>>>>> Subject: [Electronics-Talk] My Review of the ProxTalker Electronics 
>>>>> BrailleLabeler
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Well, I've received the electronic braille labeler from ProxTalker, and 
>>>>>> here is what I think of this gadget.
>>>>>> Perhaps I'll tell you what I like about it first.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It makes beautiful braille.  The dots are well prominent.  I like the 
>>>>>> way they feel when reading.  And since metal pins are used for the 
>>>>>> embossing, duration should be much longer than plastic pins.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The weight isn't too bad.  Probably in the neighborhood of a Pac Mate.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I like the "done" beep the unit issues when it is finished embossing. I 
>>>>>> also like the fact that the unit will emit a series of beeps if it is 
>>>>>> turned on accidentally when in a backpack.  I had this happen to me 
>>>>>> once. It took me a couple of minutes to realize where the beeps were 
>>>>>> coming from.  Since the power button is a toggle switch, the unit can 
>>>>>> be turned on rather easily.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Now since I didn't purchase the qwerty keyboard the company offers, I 
>>>>>> don't know how it performs when using that peripheral.  But I assume 
>>>>>> the result wouldn't be any different.
>>>>>> Now what I don't like about the electronic labeler.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The shape.  I find the kidney shape rather odd.  I expected it to be 
>>>>>> rectangular.  Even oblong would have been fine.  But kidney?  Even the 
>>>>>> lady that took my order said she was taken aback when she saw the shape 
>>>>>> for the first time.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The speed.  It is surprisingly slow.  I thought it would be faster than 
>>>>>> what it is.  When I brailled a label with my granddude's name on it, it 
>>>>>> took about 5 seconds to finish the 3 letters I wrote!  To reiterate 
>>>>>> what I said above.  I don't think a qwerty keyboard would speed up the 
>>>>>> performance.  And speaking of the qwerty keyboard.  I was disappointed 
>>>>>> that a micro USB adaptor wasn't included.  But I guess they get a 
>>>>>> percentage from Dell for the sale of the qwerty keyboard they offer.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> They say a carrying case can be used.  However, no such case exist for 
>>>>>> the labeler.  I was told there is one in development.  Availability is 
>>>>>> to be announced.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> There are 2 hooks for a neck strap, which the company does not offer 
>>>>>> either.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Although the unit can run on ac power, the ac adaptor is not included 
>>>>>> in the package.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I found it queer that the unit has an audio jack installed.  I asked 
>>>>>> why, and I was told that other features were under consideration during 
>>>>>> the production.  But nothing never came to fruition.
>>>>>> [My assumption is, an MP3 player was one feature.  I would have 
>>>>>> suggested a microphone jack for speech input.]
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I assume, since there weren't any braille or audio instructions for the 
>>>>>> unit, this was geared more for a non-braille reader/user.  The manual 
>>>>>> has a chart showing how to make braille letters.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Overall, I like the labeler.  I don't have to worry about label 
>>>>>> imperfections.  However, I feel, that for $599 ac and USB adaptors 
>>>>>> should have been included.  I also think a lock button would have been 
>>>>>> nice to prevent accidental activations.  One may not hear the beep if 
>>>>>> one is in a noisy environment.  I remove one battery when it is in my 
>>>>>> backpack.
>>>>>> Another thing about the price.  At last check, a brailler cost about 
>>>>>> $200 more than this labeler.  but that's technology.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So that's it.  I have nothing more to say.  I do use it at work. That's 
>>>>>> what I got it for anyway.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Vince
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