[Electronics-Talk] My Review of the ProxTalkerElectronicsBrailleLabeler
cheez
cheez at cox.net
Thu Dec 31 16:58:23 UTC 2015
Forgive me for being pedantic, but you'd have to throw in the number sign in
order to get the en in Brent. But that would be cool if you were allowed to
use it.
The contracted braile I referenced was literary braille. I don't no anyone
that uses computer braille outside of the programmers I've encountered.
Which was very scarce.
Vince
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ProxTalkerElectronicsBrailleLabeler
> Yes, computer braille was one of those things they didn't teach when I was
> in grade school. I only learned a few of the odd symbols through the
> Braille 'n Speak trying to name files with contractions and seeing what I
> got. At times, I wish the FCC would let me change my ham radio call to
> BR5T, which is what you would have to type on the qwerty keyboard to get a
> grade 2 of Brent on the label.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jude DaShiell via Electronics-Talk" <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> To: "cheez via Electronics-Talk" <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: "Jude DaShiell" <jdashiel at panix.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 8:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] My Review of the ProxTalker
> ElectronicsBrailleLabeler
>
>
>> If an external keyboard generated computer braille A user could generate
>> grade 2 and grade 3 braille but they would have to do translations in
>> their head to hit the right keys. The of dots 12356 would be the left
>> parentheses and with 23456 would be the right parentheses. I'd hate to
>> have to do that, but it would be a good mental exercise.
>>
>> On Thu, 31 Dec 2015, cheez via Electronics-Talk wrote:
>>
>>> Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 06:18:50
>>> From: cheez via Electronics-Talk <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> To: Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances
>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: cheez <cheez at cox.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] My Review of the ProxTalker
>>> ElectronicsBrailleLabeler
>>>
>>> No contractions can be made using an external keyboard, and I've never
>>> heard of any keyboards ever having that capability.
>>> And yes, translation software would drive the price higher.
>>> But the majority of those that know braille I've met in the past 10
>>> years or so, only know braille one. Older minds seem to have less
>>> patience when it comes to learning new things.
>>>
>>> Vince
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brent Harding via Electronics-Talk"
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>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] My Review of the ProxTalker
>>> ElectronicsBrailleLabeler
>>>
>>>
>>>> Is this the same thing as the Six Dot I heard of on Accessible World?
>>>> If so, their presentation suggests that even if you bought the USB
>>>> keyboard, you will get grade 1 braille when using that since it sounds
>>>> like this thing doesn't have the smarts to do braille translation. As
>>>> far as speech recognition goes, I can see why that wouldn't be
>>>> included. It would take on the order of a computer processor in power
>>>> to do that accurately, not to mention that they would have to license
>>>> Dragon or some other technology, which would likely increase the price
>>>> further. The reason we have speech recognition in our phones is because
>>>> Apple and Google have remote servers at their disposal to do the hard
>>>> work.
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "cheez via Electronics-Talk"
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>>>> To: "Electronic Talks" <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: "cheez" <cheez at cox.net>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2015 9:27 PM
>>>> Subject: [Electronics-Talk] My Review of the ProxTalker Electronics
>>>> BrailleLabeler
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Well, I've received the electronic braille labeler from ProxTalker,
>>>>> and here is what I think of this gadget.
>>>>> Perhaps I'll tell you what I like about it first.
>>>>>
>>>>> It makes beautiful braille. The dots are well prominent. I like the
>>>>> way they feel when reading. And since metal pins are used for the
>>>>> embossing, duration should be much longer than plastic pins.
>>>>>
>>>>> The weight isn't too bad. Probably in the neighborhood of a Pac Mate.
>>>>>
>>>>> I like the "done" beep the unit issues when it is finished embossing.
>>>>> I also like the fact that the unit will emit a series of beeps if it
>>>>> is turned on accidentally when in a backpack. I had this happen to me
>>>>> once. It took me a couple of minutes to realize where the beeps were
>>>>> coming from. Since the power button is a toggle switch, the unit can
>>>>> be turned on rather easily.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now since I didn't purchase the qwerty keyboard the company offers, I
>>>>> don't know how it performs when using that peripheral. But I assume
>>>>> the result wouldn't be any different.
>>>>> Now what I don't like about the electronic labeler.
>>>>>
>>>>> The shape. I find the kidney shape rather odd. I expected it to be
>>>>> rectangular. Even oblong would have been fine. But kidney? Even the
>>>>> lady that took my order said she was taken aback when she saw the
>>>>> shape for the first time.
>>>>>
>>>>> The speed. It is surprisingly slow. I thought it would be faster
>>>>> than what it is. When I brailled a label with my granddude's name on
>>>>> it, it took about 5 seconds to finish the 3 letters I wrote! To
>>>>> reiterate what I said above. I don't think a qwerty keyboard would
>>>>> speed up the performance. And speaking of the qwerty keyboard. I was
>>>>> disappointed that a micro USB adaptor wasn't included. But I guess
>>>>> they get a percentage from Dell for the sale of the qwerty keyboard
>>>>> they offer.
>>>>>
>>>>> They say a carrying case can be used. However, no such case exist for
>>>>> the labeler. I was told there is one in development. Availability is
>>>>> to be announced.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are 2 hooks for a neck strap, which the company does not offer
>>>>> either.
>>>>>
>>>>> Although the unit can run on ac power, the ac adaptor is not included
>>>>> in the package.
>>>>>
>>>>> I found it queer that the unit has an audio jack installed. I asked
>>>>> why, and I was told that other features were under consideration
>>>>> during the production. But nothing never came to fruition.
>>>>> [My assumption is, an MP3 player was one feature. I would have
>>>>> suggested a microphone jack for speech input.]
>>>>>
>>>>> I assume, since there weren't any braille or audio instructions for
>>>>> the unit, this was geared more for a non-braille reader/user. The
>>>>> manual has a chart showing how to make braille letters.
>>>>>
>>>>> Overall, I like the labeler. I don't have to worry about label
>>>>> imperfections. However, I feel, that for $599 ac and USB adaptors
>>>>> should have been included. I also think a lock button would have been
>>>>> nice to prevent accidental activations. One may not hear the beep if
>>>>> one is in a noisy environment. I remove one battery when it is in my
>>>>> backpack.
>>>>> Another thing about the price. At last check, a brailler cost about
>>>>> $200 more than this labeler. but that's technology.
>>>>>
>>>>> So that's it. I have nothing more to say. I do use it at work.
>>>>> That's what I got it for anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>> Vince
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