[Electronics-talk] [EXTERNAL] knfb reader app?

Mon Jul 13 23:53:35 UTC 2015

Well, point taken, but all Pam said was that she wishes the Nokia was 
still being updated so she didn't have to move to an iPhone. This simple 
little statement lead to someone saying she was stuck in the past and 
someone else saying it was sad because her rejection of new technology 
was making her more disabled. These statements and this jumping to 
conclusions seems more dramatic than anything I said.

I'm all for answering questions and giving advice, but IMHO it sometimes 
seems like a line is crossed and people start judging others and putting 
others down because they made a different choice or don't need the same 
solution someone else does. Not everyone needs a high end smart phone. 
Some people just need a simple feature phone. That's just an example, 
since we're obviously talking about more than a feature phone here since 
we're talking OCR.

I see what you're saying about gradually moving from one technology to 
the other, but I'm not sure how much this happens in real life. When I 
moved from my Nokia phone running Symbian and Talks to an iPhone, it was 
all or nothing. Once I bought the iPhone, I was committed to making it 
work. I wasn't going to move my sim card back and forth between the two 
devices. Doing it when I did four years ago wouldn't be any different 
for me than it would be doing it now.

On 07/13/2015 09:22 AM, Jim Barbour wrote:
> Let's not be quite so dramatic here Christopher :)
>
> Many blind people, like many people generally, don't like change. However, it's worth pointing out the hanging back has benefits but also comes at a price.
>
> Specifically, sticking with a Symbian based Nokia phone that runs talks and an older version of the KNFB reader has the disadvantage that neither the hardware, operating system, screen reader, or KNFB reader are being actively developed.  So, one can use it until the hardware dies or they find that the phone, talks, or the knfb reader can no longer do what they rely on it to do.
>
> They'll then be left with the iPhone v. Android choice.  Whichever choice one makes, it will be a big change from Nokia and Talks.  In my opinion, this should be a slow and controlled change, not a changed one is forced to make quickly because some technology they rely on has stopped working.
>
> Jim
>
> On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 02:33:32AM -0500, Christopher Chaltain via Electronics-talk wrote:
>> I think it's sad when a blind person thinks that what works for them and the
>> choice they made applies to all blind people. Blind people should be allowed
>> to get what works for them and ask for the features they want without being
>> made to feel bad and like they're stuck in the dark ages.
>>
>> On 07/12/2015 04:58 PM, Poppa Bear via Electronics-talk wrote:
>>> Well, if she wants' to keep using it, as time goes on she may continue to
>>> wish that it was able to take advantage of newer apps made for the blind and
>>> as more time go by the learning curve will possibly continue to grow and the
>>> fear of change will grow exponentially as well. This is just my Two pennies,
>>> but I thought I would share because it is sad when us blind people don't go
>>> forward with techknoledgy and grow more disabled in new ways because we
>>> reject new tools that are available to make us more independent.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Dennis via Electronics-talk
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 1:46 PM
>>> To: 'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'
>>> Cc: Dennis
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] [EXTERNAL] knfb reader app?
>>>
>>> No you don't.  if nokia works for someone you should use it.  They can still
>>> get nokia phones.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Poppa Bear via Electronics-talk
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 5:36 PM
>>> To: 'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'
>>> Cc: Poppa Bear
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] [EXTERNAL] knfb reader app?
>>>
>>> Unfortunately Nokia is sinking about as quick as Black Berry was. It is kind
>>> of like trying to hold onto the old industrial 20 pound Perkins brailler
>>> instead of a Braille light, at some point you have to take a step forward
>>> out of the past.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Electronics-talk
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 11:31 AM
>>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>> Cc: Pamela Dominguez
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] [EXTERNAL] knfb reader app?
>>>
>>> I wish they had an update for the nokia for people who don't want an iPhone.
>>>
>>> Pam.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Tracy Carcione via Electronics-talk
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 12:23 PM
>>> To: 'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'
>>> Cc: Tracy Carcione
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] [EXTERNAL] knfb reader app?
>>>
>>> I am having better success reading stuff with the KNFB iPhone app than I was
>>> having with the old Nokia.
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Electronics-talk
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 1:12 PM
>>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>> Cc: Pamela Dominguez
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] [EXTERNAL] knfb reader app?
>>>
>>> I have not gotten my phone to read a restaurant menu yet, and I've had it
>>> since 2013.  I have the n95 with the Kyrzweil.  It reads some things fine,
>>> but I haven't gotten it to read the restaurant menu.  Pam.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Tracy Carcione via Electronics-talk
>>> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 9:26 AM
>>> To: 'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'
>>> Cc: Tracy Carcione
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] [EXTERNAL] knfb reader app?
>>>
>>> I've used it several times to read a restaurant menu.  I think it misses
>>> some things, but I know a lot more than I would otherwise.  Beats the heck
>>> out of the "What do you have?"  "What do you want?" circle.
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Baracco, Andrew W via Electronics-talk
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 4:59 PM
>>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>> Cc: Baracco, Andrew W
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] [EXTERNAL] knfb reader app?
>>>
>>> It is meant for mobile use, i. e. reading handouts at conferences, scanning
>>> mail, etc.
>>>
>>> Andy
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Star Gazer via Electronics-talk
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 12:28 PM
>>> To: 'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'
>>> Cc: Star Gazer
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] [EXTERNAL] knfb reader app?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>> Can it read books or is it more meant for packages like "cook this package
>>> of chicken nugets for x amout of time and y temperature"?
>>> Caan you try it out before buying?
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Baracco, Andrew W via Electronics-talk
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2015 3:23 PM
>>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>> Cc: Baracco, Andrew W
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] [EXTERNAL] knfb reader app?
>>>
>>> It uses the iPhone and its camera to scan and read printed material out
>>> loud. It is normally $99 but if you buy it before july 10 it is $74.95.
>>>
>>> Andy
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Star Gazer via Electronics-talk
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 12:13 PM
>>> To: 'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'
>>> Cc: Star Gazer
>>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Electronics-talk] knfb reader app?
>>>
>>> Hi folks.
>>>
>>> I accidentally blew away David Andrews' note on the reduced price for the
>>> KNFB reader. Can somebody get me smart, what does this app do and how much
>>> is it now? How long will the sale last?
>>>
>>>
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