[Electronics-talk] [EXTERNAL] knfb reader app?

Tue Jul 14 00:01:15 UTC 2015

Personally, I still like the Nokia phones.  There are times when 
there's no substitute for good ol' fashioned physical buttons.  Case 
in point:  try doing automated banking or some other automated 
service on an iPhone.  Take too long and you're timed out.--Matthew Chao

At 06:53 PM 7/13/2015 -0500, you wrote:
>Well, point taken, but all Pam said was that she wishes the Nokia 
>was still being updated so she didn't have to move to an iPhone. 
>This simple little statement lead to someone saying she was stuck in 
>the past and someone else saying it was sad because her rejection of 
>new technology was making her more disabled. These statements and 
>this jumping to conclusions seems more dramatic than anything I said.
>
>I'm all for answering questions and giving advice, but IMHO it 
>sometimes seems like a line is crossed and people start judging 
>others and putting others down because they made a different choice 
>or don't need the same solution someone else does. Not everyone 
>needs a high end smart phone. Some people just need a simple feature 
>phone. That's just an example, since we're obviously talking about 
>more than a feature phone here since we're talking OCR.
>
>I see what you're saying about gradually moving from one technology 
>to the other, but I'm not sure how much this happens in real life. 
>When I moved from my Nokia phone running Symbian and Talks to an 
>iPhone, it was all or nothing. Once I bought the iPhone, I was 
>committed to making it work. I wasn't going to move my sim card back 
>and forth between the two devices. Doing it when I did four years 
>ago wouldn't be any different for me than it would be doing it now.
>
>On 07/13/2015 09:22 AM, Jim Barbour wrote:
>>Let's not be quite so dramatic here Christopher :)
>>
>>Many blind people, like many people generally, don't like change. 
>>However, it's worth pointing out the hanging back has benefits but 
>>also comes at a price.
>>
>>Specifically, sticking with a Symbian based Nokia phone that runs 
>>talks and an older version of the KNFB reader has the disadvantage 
>>that neither the hardware, operating system, screen reader, or KNFB 
>>reader are being actively developed.  So, one can use it until the 
>>hardware dies or they find that the phone, talks, or the knfb 
>>reader can no longer do what they rely on it to do.
>>
>>They'll then be left with the iPhone v. Android choice.  Whichever 
>>choice one makes, it will be a big change from Nokia and Talks.  In 
>>my opinion, this should be a slow and controlled change, not a 
>>changed one is forced to make quickly because some technology they 
>>rely on has stopped working.
>>
>>Jim
>>
>>On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 02:33:32AM -0500, Christopher Chaltain via 
>>Electronics-talk wrote:
>>>I think it's sad when a blind person thinks that what works for them and the
>>>choice they made applies to all blind people. Blind people should be allowed
>>>to get what works for them and ask for the features they want without being
>>>made to feel bad and like they're stuck in the dark ages.
>>>
>>>On 07/12/2015 04:58 PM, Poppa Bear via Electronics-talk wrote:
>>>>Well, if she wants' to keep using it, as time goes on she may continue to
>>>>wish that it was able to take advantage of newer apps made for 
>>>>the blind and
>>>>as more time go by the learning curve will possibly continue to 
>>>>grow and the
>>>>fear of change will grow exponentially as well. This is just my 
>>>>Two pennies,
>>>>but I thought I would share because it is sad when us blind people don't go
>>>>forward with techknoledgy and grow more disabled in new ways because we
>>>>reject new tools that are available to make us more independent.
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>Behalf Of Dennis via Electronics-talk
>>>>Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 1:46 PM
>>>>To: 'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'
>>>>Cc: Dennis
>>>>Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] [EXTERNAL] knfb reader app?
>>>>
>>>>No you don't.  if nokia works for someone you should use 
>>>>it.  They can still
>>>>get nokia phones.
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>Behalf Of Poppa Bear via Electronics-talk
>>>>Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 5:36 PM
>>>>To: 'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'
>>>>Cc: Poppa Bear
>>>>Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] [EXTERNAL] knfb reader app?
>>>>
>>>>Unfortunately Nokia is sinking about as quick as Black Berry was. 
>>>>It is kind
>>>>of like trying to hold onto the old industrial 20 pound Perkins brailler
>>>>instead of a Braille light, at some point you have to take a step forward
>>>>out of the past.
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Electronics-talk
>>>>Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 11:31 AM
>>>>To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>>>Cc: Pamela Dominguez
>>>>Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] [EXTERNAL] knfb reader app?
>>>>
>>>>I wish they had an update for the nokia for people who don't want 
>>>>an iPhone.
>>>>
>>>>Pam.
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Tracy Carcione via Electronics-talk
>>>>Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 12:23 PM
>>>>To: 'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'
>>>>Cc: Tracy Carcione
>>>>Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] [EXTERNAL] knfb reader app?
>>>>
>>>>I am having better success reading stuff with the KNFB iPhone app 
>>>>than I was
>>>>having with the old Nokia.
>>>>Tracy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Electronics-talk
>>>>Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 1:12 PM
>>>>To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>>>Cc: Pamela Dominguez
>>>>Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] [EXTERNAL] knfb reader app?
>>>>
>>>>I have not gotten my phone to read a restaurant menu yet, and I've had it
>>>>since 2013.  I have the n95 with the Kyrzweil.  It reads some things fine,
>>>>but I haven't gotten it to read the restaurant menu.  Pam.
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Tracy Carcione via Electronics-talk
>>>>Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 9:26 AM
>>>>To: 'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'
>>>>Cc: Tracy Carcione
>>>>Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] [EXTERNAL] knfb reader app?
>>>>
>>>>I've used it several times to read a restaurant menu.  I think it misses
>>>>some things, but I know a lot more than I would otherwise.  Beats the heck
>>>>out of the "What do you have?"  "What do you want?" circle.
>>>>Tracy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>Behalf Of Baracco, Andrew W via Electronics-talk
>>>>Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 4:59 PM
>>>>To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>>>Cc: Baracco, Andrew W
>>>>Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] [EXTERNAL] knfb reader app?
>>>>
>>>>It is meant for mobile use, i. e. reading handouts at conferences, scanning
>>>>mail, etc.
>>>>
>>>>Andy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>Behalf Of Star Gazer via Electronics-talk
>>>>Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 12:28 PM
>>>>To: 'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'
>>>>Cc: Star Gazer
>>>>Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] [EXTERNAL] knfb reader app?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Thank you.
>>>>Can it read books or is it more meant for packages like "cook this package
>>>>of chicken nugets for x amout of time and y temperature"?
>>>>Caan you try it out before buying?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>Behalf Of Baracco, Andrew W via Electronics-talk
>>>>Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2015 3:23 PM
>>>>To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>>>Cc: Baracco, Andrew W
>>>>Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] [EXTERNAL] knfb reader app?
>>>>
>>>>It uses the iPhone and its camera to scan and read printed material out
>>>>loud. It is normally $99 but if you buy it before july 10 it is $74.95.
>>>>
>>>>Andy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>Behalf Of Star Gazer via Electronics-talk
>>>>Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 12:13 PM
>>>>To: 'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'
>>>>Cc: Star Gazer
>>>>Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Electronics-talk] knfb reader app?
>>>>
>>>>Hi folks.
>>>>
>>>>I accidentally blew away David Andrews' note on the reduced price for the
>>>>KNFB reader. Can somebody get me smart, what does this app do and how much
>>>>is it now? How long will the sale last?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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