[Electronics-talk] [EXTERNAL] knfb reader app?

Tue Jul 14 02:21:23 UTC 2015

I think you slightly changed what was said Christopher, but that happens now
and then.
Take care and I hope everyone gets along with their device of choice. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain via Electronics-talk
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2015 3:54 PM
To: Jim Barbour; Christopher Chaltain via Electronics-talk
Cc: Christopher Chaltain
Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] [EXTERNAL] knfb reader app?

Well, point taken, but all Pam said was that she wishes the Nokia was still
being updated so she didn't have to move to an iPhone. This simple little
statement lead to someone saying she was stuck in the past and someone else
saying it was sad because her rejection of new technology was making her
more disabled. These statements and this jumping to conclusions seems more
dramatic than anything I said.

I'm all for answering questions and giving advice, but IMHO it sometimes
seems like a line is crossed and people start judging others and putting
others down because they made a different choice or don't need the same
solution someone else does. Not everyone needs a high end smart phone. 
Some people just need a simple feature phone. That's just an example, since
we're obviously talking about more than a feature phone here since we're
talking OCR.

I see what you're saying about gradually moving from one technology to the
other, but I'm not sure how much this happens in real life. When I moved
from my Nokia phone running Symbian and Talks to an iPhone, it was all or
nothing. Once I bought the iPhone, I was committed to making it work. I
wasn't going to move my sim card back and forth between the two devices.
Doing it when I did four years ago wouldn't be any different for me than it
would be doing it now.

On 07/13/2015 09:22 AM, Jim Barbour wrote:
> Let's not be quite so dramatic here Christopher :)
>
> Many blind people, like many people generally, don't like change. However,
it's worth pointing out the hanging back has benefits but also comes at a
price.
>
> Specifically, sticking with a Symbian based Nokia phone that runs talks
and an older version of the KNFB reader has the disadvantage that neither
the hardware, operating system, screen reader, or KNFB reader are being
actively developed.  So, one can use it until the hardware dies or they find
that the phone, talks, or the knfb reader can no longer do what they rely on
it to do.
>
> They'll then be left with the iPhone v. Android choice.  Whichever choice
one makes, it will be a big change from Nokia and Talks.  In my opinion,
this should be a slow and controlled change, not a changed one is forced to
make quickly because some technology they rely on has stopped working.
>
> Jim
>
> On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 02:33:32AM -0500, Christopher Chaltain via
Electronics-talk wrote:
>> I think it's sad when a blind person thinks that what works for them 
>> and the choice they made applies to all blind people. Blind people 
>> should be allowed to get what works for them and ask for the features 
>> they want without being made to feel bad and like they're stuck in the
dark ages.
>>
>> On 07/12/2015 04:58 PM, Poppa Bear via Electronics-talk wrote:
>>> Well, if she wants' to keep using it, as time goes on she may 
>>> continue to wish that it was able to take advantage of newer apps 
>>> made for the blind and as more time go by the learning curve will 
>>> possibly continue to grow and the fear of change will grow 
>>> exponentially as well. This is just my Two pennies, but I thought I 
>>> would share because it is sad when us blind people don't go forward 
>>> with techknoledgy and grow more disabled in new ways because we reject
new tools that are available to make us more independent.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>> On Behalf Of Dennis via Electronics-talk
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 1:46 PM
>>> To: 'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'
>>> Cc: Dennis
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] [EXTERNAL] knfb reader app?
>>>
>>> No you don't.  if nokia works for someone you should use it.  They 
>>> can still get nokia phones.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>> On Behalf Of Poppa Bear via Electronics-talk
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 5:36 PM
>>> To: 'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'
>>> Cc: Poppa Bear
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] [EXTERNAL] knfb reader app?
>>>
>>> Unfortunately Nokia is sinking about as quick as Black Berry was. It 
>>> is kind of like trying to hold onto the old industrial 20 pound 
>>> Perkins brailler instead of a Braille light, at some point you have 
>>> to take a step forward out of the past.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>> On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Electronics-talk
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 11:31 AM
>>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>> Cc: Pamela Dominguez
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] [EXTERNAL] knfb reader app?
>>>
>>> I wish they had an update for the nokia for people who don't want an
iPhone.
>>>
>>> Pam.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Tracy Carcione via Electronics-talk
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 12:23 PM
>>> To: 'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'
>>> Cc: Tracy Carcione
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] [EXTERNAL] knfb reader app?
>>>
>>> I am having better success reading stuff with the KNFB iPhone app 
>>> than I was having with the old Nokia.
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>> On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Electronics-talk
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 1:12 PM
>>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>> Cc: Pamela Dominguez
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] [EXTERNAL] knfb reader app?
>>>
>>> I have not gotten my phone to read a restaurant menu yet, and I've 
>>> had it since 2013.  I have the n95 with the Kyrzweil.  It reads some 
>>> things fine, but I haven't gotten it to read the restaurant menu.  Pam.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Tracy Carcione via Electronics-talk
>>> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 9:26 AM
>>> To: 'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'
>>> Cc: Tracy Carcione
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] [EXTERNAL] knfb reader app?
>>>
>>> I've used it several times to read a restaurant menu.  I think it 
>>> misses some things, but I know a lot more than I would otherwise.  
>>> Beats the heck out of the "What do you have?"  "What do you want?"
circle.
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>> On Behalf Of Baracco, Andrew W via Electronics-talk
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 4:59 PM
>>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>> Cc: Baracco, Andrew W
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] [EXTERNAL] knfb reader app?
>>>
>>> It is meant for mobile use, i. e. reading handouts at conferences, 
>>> scanning mail, etc.
>>>
>>> Andy
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>> On Behalf Of Star Gazer via Electronics-talk
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 12:28 PM
>>> To: 'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'
>>> Cc: Star Gazer
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] [EXTERNAL] knfb reader app?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>> Can it read books or is it more meant for packages like "cook this 
>>> package of chicken nugets for x amout of time and y temperature"?
>>> Caan you try it out before buying?
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>> On Behalf Of Baracco, Andrew W via Electronics-talk
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2015 3:23 PM
>>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>> Cc: Baracco, Andrew W
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] [EXTERNAL] knfb reader app?
>>>
>>> It uses the iPhone and its camera to scan and read printed material 
>>> out loud. It is normally $99 but if you buy it before july 10 it is
$74.95.
>>>
>>> Andy
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>> On Behalf Of Star Gazer via Electronics-talk
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2015 12:13 PM
>>> To: 'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'
>>> Cc: Star Gazer
>>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Electronics-talk] knfb reader app?
>>>
>>> Hi folks.
>>>
>>> I accidentally blew away David Andrews' note on the reduced price 
>>> for the KNFB reader. Can somebody get me smart, what does this app 
>>> do and how much is it now? How long will the sale last?
>>>
>>>
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