[Electronics-talk] My brailled ATM cards are here

David Andrews dandrews at visi.com
Sun May 10 21:09:20 UTC 2015 

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At 07:09 PM 5/9/2015, you wrote:
>Eh, Mike, what's the BlindTalk list's email address?
>Vince
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Freeman via 
>Electronics-talk" <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>To: "'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'" 
><electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>Cc: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2015 5:00 PM
>Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] My brailled ATM cards are here
>
>
>>With great respect, I humbly ask if this discussion might better be taken to
>>BlindTalk? IMO we're getting rather far afield from consumer electronics
>>which is the topic of this list.
>>
>>Mike Freeman
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>Behalf Of cheez via Electronics-talk
>>Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2015 4:24 PM
>>To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>Cc: cheez
>>Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] My brailled ATM cards are here
>>
>>My mistake.  I forgot about gift cards.  I have a bus pass that's smooth on
>>both sides.  So I stuck a round label on one side to know which side has the
>>
>>strip.
>>Vince
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Drew Hunthausen via 
>>Electronics-talk" <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>To: "'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'"
>><electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>Cc: "Drew Hunthausen" <dhunthausen at gmail.com>
>>Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2015 3:50 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] My brailled ATM cards are here
>>
>>
>>>Vince,
>>>I had mentioned having sighted help so you don't put a label over the
>>>magnetic strip only because I had also mentioned gift cards which often
>>>don't have any tacktile markings to note which side is front and which is
>>>the back. I only label my cards with the name of the specific card as I
>>>put
>>>all the other info on my note taker that I can refer to when making an on
>>>line purchase. When I am at a store I do not need the extra info.
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>Behalf Of cheez via Electronics-talk
>>>Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2015 1:42 PM
>>>To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>>Cc: cheez
>>>Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] My brailled ATM cards are here
>>>
>>>Why not place the dyno tape above the number on the front of the card,
>>>Drew?
>>>The backs of most cards contain the signature strip, the magnetic strip
>>>and
>>>a phone number to call in case you lose or damage the card.
>>>The 7-digits that appear are the last 4 of the account, and the last 3 is
>>>the security code.
>>>Vince
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Drew Hunthausen via Electronics-talk" <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>To: "'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'"
>>><electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>Cc: "Drew Hunthausen" <dhunthausen at gmail.com>
>>>Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2015 11:18 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] My brailled ATM cards are here
>>>
>>>
>>>>Barb,
>>>>What I do for my credit cards as well as i.d. cards or gift cards is to
>>>>Braille a label on the labeling tape you can purchase from any of the
>>>>blind
>>>>supply stores on line. I usually have a friend or family member help me
>>>>with
>>>>this so I don't put the label over the magnetic strip or some important
>>>>information.
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>Behalf Of Barb O'Connor via Electronics-talk
>>>>Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2015 10:34 AM
>>>>To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>>>Cc: Barb O'Connor
>>>>Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] My brailled ATM cards are here
>>>>
>>>>Will the KNFBReader read that number? I don't have it so am curious. I,
>>>>too,
>>>>am fortunate to have friends and family that I can trust so I don't think
>>>>too much about that. When I get my new card, I take a 4 by 6 index card,
>>>>write down the name of credit card, account number, expiration date, the
>>>>all-important security code and, last, the customer service number. I've
>>>>just gotten so used to doing this that I don't even think twice about it.
>>>>The one thing I don't like about not having a braille card is that if I'm
>>>>shopping by myself, I have to ask someone else to get the card I want out
>>>>of
>>>>my wallet. I usually try to remember to do that before I leave the house
>>>>and
>>>>put it where I can locate it without difficulty but, sometimes I do
>>>>forget.
>>>>
>>>>Barb
>>>>  ----- Original Message -----  From: Christopher Chaltain via 
>>>> Electronics-talk
>>>>  To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>>>  Cc: Christopher Chaltain
>>>>  Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 7:31 PM
>>>>  Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] My brailled ATM cards are here
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Well, I think the blind have bigger issues then getting the security
>>>>  code printed in braille on people's credit cards. I'm not saying this
>>>>  isn't an important issue, but I don't think it should be the number one
>>>>  issue being addressed by the blindness advocacy organizations. I'm also
>>>>  not as defeatist as Gerald and just assume that the advocacy groups
>>>>  haven't and aren't considering what to do about this issue. You may not
>>>>  like the answer, but a solution like the KNFB Reader does tell me that
>>>>  the advocacy groups are at least attempting something to address this
>>>>  and other related issues. Let's be honest, even if the advocacy groups
>>>>  were publicly addressing this issue, Gerald would be telling us how the
>>>>  credit card companies don't care, won't do anything anyway and all of
>>>>  the laws to force them to address this issue are too weak. Gerald always
>>>>  has a reason why trying to change something and making something better
>>>>  for someone else is a waste of time. I always find it ironic how much
>>>>  negativity and selfishness is found on this NFB sponsored list.
>>>>
>>>>  On 05/08/2015 03:52 PM, cheez via Electronics-talk wrote:
>>>>  > Gerald, when I had my brailled cards, I thought we had at least one
>>>>  > barrier licked.  But it seems they found the brailled cards'
>>>>production
>>>>  > too costly.
>>>>  > The whole thing makes no sense to me at all.  And apparently the
>>>>  > blindness advocacy groups don't care about those that don't have a
>>>>KNFB
>>>>  > Reader or a trusted sighted person--like Jim Barbour stated in his
>>>>posting.
>>>>  > So come down off your mountain Jim and get in touch with reality.
>>>>Some
>>>>  > aren't as fortune as others.  I don't have the KNFB Reader as of yet.
>>>>  > Hope that helps you understand the problem here.
>>>>  > Vince
>>>>  >
>>>>  > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald Levy via Electronics-talk"
>>>>  > <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>  > To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>>>>  > <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>  > Cc: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited at verizon.net>
>>>>  > Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 12:41 PM
>>>>  > Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] My brailled ATM cards are here
>>>>  >
>>>>  >
>>>>  >>
>>>>  >> Yes, the inability to read the security code without having a sighted
>>>>  >> person physically pick up the card and read it is a big problem.
>>>>What
>>>>  >> are the blindness advocacy groups doing to address this issue?
>>>>  >> Nothing, as usual.
>>>>  >>
>>>>  >> Gerald
>>>>  >>
>>>>  >>
>>>>  >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barb O'Connor via
>>>>  >> Electronics-talk" <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>  >> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>>>>  >> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>  >> Cc: "Barb O'Connor" <broconnor1972 at comcast.net>
>>>>  >> Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 3:32 PM
>>>>  >> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] My brailled ATM cards are here
>>>>  >>
>>>>  >>
>>>>  >>> So, how do you get that all-important security number then?  You'll
>>>>  >>> once again have to wait till someone sighted whom you trust is
>>>>  >>> available to help you as the credit card companies or banks won't
>>>>  >>> help you at all.  It would have been nice if they would have added
>>>>  >>> that, too.
>>>>  >>>
>>>>  >>> Barb
>>>>  >>>  ----- Original Message -----  From: Diane Vlasoff via
>>>>Electronics-talk
>>>>  >>>  To: electronics talk n f b list serve
>>>>  >>>  Cc: Diane Vlasoff
>>>>  >>>  Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 4:54 PM
>>>>  >>>  Subject: [Electronics-talk] My brailled ATM cards are here
>>>>  >>>
>>>>  >>>
>>>>  >>>  I told you all I would keep you up-to-date. My ATM card in braille
>>>>  >>> arrived today!
>>>>  >>>  They have my account number my name and the expiration date on them
>>>>  >>> it doesn't happen. It doesn't have the security number on the back
>>>>  >>> ground unfortunately but this is great! Also please excuse any odd
>>>>  >>> things in this message I'm using Siri.
>>>>  >>>
>>>>  >>>  Diane Vlasoff

         David Andrews and long white cane Harry.
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