[Electronics-talk] Braille Label Maker

cheez cheez at cox.net
Thu Oct 1 04:55:03 UTC 2015 

Well, if the reason for the stoppage of selling them here was due to not 
much interest, that was their own fault.  I saw only one ad for it.

The one thing I didn't like about the Jot-a-Dot was that small protrusion by 
the paper feed knob.
I even told the manufacturer about it.  It had no affect on the performance.
I was told that was one of those incidental things, and they'd submit my 
concern and see if a modification could be done.

Vince

Original Message ----- 
From: "River Linda via Electronics-talk" <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances" 
<electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
Cc: "River Linda" <waterinmyroom at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 9:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Braille Label Maker


>I inquired about the Jot a Dot last year. They are not being sold in the
> U.S. any more. Humanware dug one up for me for $100. I did not like it, 
> and
> gave it away.
>
> On Thursday, October 1, 2015, cheez via Electronics-talk <
> electronics-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>> Steve:
>>
>> Have you ever heard or seen the Jot-a-Dot?
>> It cost about $300.  I think it would be a better tool for the newly 
>> blind
>> to learn how to write braille instead of the slate and stylus.  At least
>> you don't have to think backwards when you use the Jot-a-Dot.
>> One can use any kind of paper, too.
>>
>> Vince
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Jacobson via Electronics-talk" 
>> <
>> electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> To: "'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'" <
>> electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 8:59 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Braille Label Maker
>>
>>
>> In addition to these points, I would like to add that the costs of making
>>> reliable mechanical devices has risen greatly.  I once saw a prototype 
>>> of
>>> a
>>> label maker with a Perkins style keyboard that was all mechanical.  It
>>> worked very nicely, but the price was not going to be much cheaper than
>>> this
>>> device is.  Look at the price of the Perkins Brailler itself as an
>>> example,
>>> and the development costs of that device have long been covered.
>>>
>>> I've tried a number of different label making devices over the years,
>>> including that little frame you can put into a Perkins brailler.  I have
>>> pretty much gone back to using a slate and stylus for labels.  This is 
>>> an
>>> option that is often overlooked.  Even if one is not fast at using a 
>>> slate
>>> and stylus, the time it takes is not that bad when you take into account
>>> the
>>> time one spends spinning a dial on a label gun or lining up a frame in a
>>> braille writer.
>>>
>>> I have also found that often simply brailling on mailing labels is a 
>>> good
>>> alternative when the size doesn't matter too much.  Mailing labels are 
>>> not
>>> as durable as is labeling tape, but the braille lasts longer than you
>>> might
>>> think.  This works especially well when the label is only needed for a
>>> month
>>> or so such on a package of food.
>>>
>>> Therefore, there are some cheap alternatives, but the convenience of 
>>> this
>>> device makes it something I might consider.  I wonder what the quality 
>>> of
>>> the braille is?  That is one thing I like about using the slate and
>>> stylus.
>>> I get nicer dot quality than I did either with a labeling gun or the 
>>> frame
>>> for the Perkins Brailler, even though both produced reasonable braille.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Steve Jacobson
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Brett Boyer via Electronics-talk
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2015 7:54 PM
>>> To: 'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'
>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Brett Boyer <bboyer202 at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Braille Label Maker
>>>
>>> Great points!
>>> Thanks
>>> bb
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Annette Carr via Electronics-talk
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2015 4:42 PM
>>> To: 'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'
>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Annette Carr <amcarr1 at verizon.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Braille Label Maker
>>>
>>> The label maker is battery operated or can be plugged in to an 
>>> electronic
>>> outlet.  It has a Perkins style keyboard.  The label tape is 
>>> automatically
>>> advanced as you write, and I believe that there is no need to advance 
>>> the
>>> tape prior to cutting.  Probably the biggest difference is that you can
>>> plug
>>> a standard computer USB keyboard into the unit to produce the braille
>>> label.
>>> The use of a QWERTY allows family members, teachers, employers and
>>> co-workers to create labels easier and faster.
>>>
>>> Yes, the price does appear to be high, but the cost of research,
>>> development
>>> and production is high.  It is the first major change in the area of
>>> braille
>>> label makers in the more than 40 years that I have been aware of them.
>>> They
>>> are selling a product that only has the potential of being sold to a 
>>> small
>>> segment of the population.  In order for them to recuperate their
>>> financial
>>> investment in a reasonable amount of time, the price is set higher than
>>> many
>>> can afford.  Does anyone remember the price of refreshable braille
>>> displays
>>> when they first came out?  Was it something like $10,000 to $20,000 for 
>>> a
>>> 40
>>> or 80 cell display?  Through the end of tomorrow (September 30) you can
>>> purchase the Perkins Mini 24 cell refreshable braille display for less
>>> than
>>> $1900 including shipping.
>>>
>>> Annette
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman via Electronics-talk
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2015 6:13 PM
>>> To: 'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'
>>> Cc: Mike Freeman
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Braille Label Maker
>>>
>>> It's so expensive because it has (as I understand it) a Perkins-style
>>> keyboard and because it's electronic.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Star Gazer via Electronics-talk
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2015 10:27 AM
>>> To: 'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'
>>> Cc: Star Gazer
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Braille Label Maker
>>>
>>> Yes I'm curious what exactly does this
>>> labeler do and why is it so expensive?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of lauren--- via Electronics-talk
>>> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 11:53 PM
>>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: lauren at catlines.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Braille Label Maker
>>>
>>> Hi, I can't believe that a LabelMaker would cost $600 or more. How in 
>>> the
>>> world do they justify that price?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Sep 28, 2015, at 5:42 PM, cheez via Electronics-talk
>>>>
>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sorry to hear that.
>>>> Too bad we don't have more repairers out there.
>>>>
>>>> Vince
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pamela Dominguez via
>>>> Electronics-talk"
>>>>
>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>
>>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>>>>
>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>
>>>> Cc: "Pamela Dominguez" <geodom at optonline.net>
>>>> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 5:20 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Braille Label Maker
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> George died in 2012.  Pam.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: cheez via Electronics-talk
>>>> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 2:16 AM
>>>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>>> Cc: cheez
>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Braille Label Maker
>>>>
>>>> I've never seen one that didn't have some of the braille contractions
>>>> on
>>>>
>>> it.
>>>
>>>> What happened to George?  Does he still fix them?
>>>>
>>>> Vince
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pamela Dominguez via
>>>> Electronics-talk"
>>>>
>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>
>>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: "Pamela Dominguez" <geodom at optonline.net>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 12:27 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Braille Label Maker
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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