[Electronics-talk] Braille Label Maker

Fri Oct 2 04:18:33 UTC 2015

I don't even wish to see it in my Spam folder and therefore, I don't
wish to see it as a subject one more day! It is just empty pointless
discussion. Ive seen much of the same on other lists! beating a topic
till it's dead. And the point is?

Moderators should start limiting topics and shutting them and/or the
repeat posters down when people start repeating themselves,  sharing
experiences for the sake of keeping a topic going, or just agreeing.
If not, then why do we have list moderators? They do this with
one-liners and some lists have a posts per day limit! This forces
people to think before they write, limits the lennth of a thread,
helps them to learn to write meaningful and informative concise
messages, and allows others the opportunity to contribute without
becoming fatigued at about the 67th message on the topic or, the 10th
new thread on the same subject in a month's time! If one is trying to
be productive while still contributing to list discussions, as in
working at home, they will have to sacrifice one or the other. Not
fair! Who would object to that?

If you aare on any other lists I'm on I will be writing the same
message if this unnecessary bantering continues without moderator
interjection. Get ready!

On 10/1/15, Christopher Chaltain via Electronics-talk
<electronics-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> IMHO, this thread is off topic for this list, but that's a call for the
> moderator to make. It isn't up to individual users to determine what
> other list members can talk about. I'm not particularly interested in
> this thread, especially on this list, but it's been no problem for me to
> keep up with this thread using my delete key and especially using a
> threaded email client.
>
> On 10/01/2015 08:18 PM, Danielle Ledet via Electronics-talk wrote:
>> Ladies and gentlemen! This thread is quite worn! Might I suggest we
>> move on? I read everything because I thought this was something great
>> and new and improved and it is clearly just another ply for us
>> SSI-dependent blinks to spend money we *do not* have! I consider
>> checking into the Jot-A-Dot but since it is no longer available in the
>> US what more is there to say? The good ol' slae and stylus? yep we
>> covered that. I have one but not with the labeling slot. I just bought
>> a new and improved Braille Labeler for $20 too. Im happy with that!
>> This thread is through. The 21 gun saluete has been given. Let's go!
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/1/15, Pamela Dominguez via Electronics-talk
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Okay, so how is that not backward?  Pam.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Mike Freeman via Electronics-talk
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 2:03 PM
>>> To: 'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'
>>> Cc: Mike Freeman
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Braille Label Maker
>>>
>>> Indeed, Braille on a slate and stylus is not written "backward"; the
>>> cell
>>> is, rather, rotated 180 degrees around the vertical axis. Put another
>>> way,
>>> the cell as written on a slate and stylus is a mirror image of the way
>>> it's
>>> written on a Perkins Braillewriter. I like Fred Schroeder's "first side,
>>> second side" lingo for Braille.
>>>
>>> Mike Freeman
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Steve Jacobson via Electronics-talk
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 10:40 AM
>>> To: 'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'
>>> Cc: Steve Jacobson
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Braille Label Maker
>>>
>>> I have heard of the Jot-a-Dot but don't honestly remember how it works.
>>> However, those of us who have used a slate and stylus for a while don't
>>> really think of writing everything backward.  I understand it seems that
>>> way
>>> at first, though.  Do you know if the Jot-a-Dot would work on labeling
>>> tape?
>>> It would have to have the ability to hold the tape in place and to emboss
>>> a
>>> heavier material.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Steve Jacobson
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of cheez via Electronics-talk
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 11:29 PM
>>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: cheez <cheez at cox.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Braille Label Maker
>>>
>>> Steve:
>>>
>>> Have you ever heard or seen the Jot-a-Dot?
>>> It cost about $300.  I think it would be a better tool for the newly
>>> blind
>>> to learn how to write braille instead of the slate and stylus.  At least
>>> you
>>>
>>> don't have to think backwards when you use the Jot-a-Dot.
>>> One can use any kind of paper, too.
>>>
>>> Vince
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Steve Jacobson via Electronics-talk"
>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> To: "'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'"
>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 8:59 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Braille Label Maker
>>>
>>>
>>>> In addition to these points, I would like to add that the costs of
>>>> making
>>>> reliable mechanical devices has risen greatly.  I once saw a prototype
>>>> of
>>>> a
>>>> label maker with a Perkins style keyboard that was all mechanical.  It
>>>> worked very nicely, but the price was not going to be much cheaper than
>>>> this
>>>> device is.  Look at the price of the Perkins Brailler itself as an
>>>> example,
>>>> and the development costs of that device have long been covered.
>>>>
>>>> I've tried a number of different label making devices over the years,
>>>> including that little frame you can put into a Perkins brailler.  I
>>>> have
>>>> pretty much gone back to using a slate and stylus for labels.  This is
>>>> an
>>>> option that is often overlooked.  Even if one is not fast at using a
>>>> slate
>>>> and stylus, the time it takes is not that bad when you take into
>>>> account
>>>> the
>>>> time one spends spinning a dial on a label gun or lining up a frame in
>>>> a
>>>> braille writer.
>>>>
>>>> I have also found that often simply brailling on mailing labels is a
>>>> good
>>>> alternative when the size doesn't matter too much.  Mailing labels are
>>>> not
>>>> as durable as is labeling tape, but the braille lasts longer than you
>>>> might
>>>> think.  This works especially well when the label is only needed for a
>>>> month
>>>> or so such on a package of food.
>>>>
>>>> Therefore, there are some cheap alternatives, but the convenience of
>>>> this
>>>> device makes it something I might consider.  I wonder what the quality
>>>> of
>>>> the braille is?  That is one thing I like about using the slate and
>>>> stylus.
>>>> I get nicer dot quality than I did either with a labeling gun or the
>>>> frame
>>>> for the Perkins Brailler, even though both produced reasonable braille.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> Steve Jacobson
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Brett Boyer via Electronics-talk
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2015 7:54 PM
>>>> To: 'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'
>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Brett Boyer <bboyer202 at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Braille Label Maker
>>>>
>>>> Great points!
>>>> Thanks
>>>> bb
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Annette Carr via Electronics-talk
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2015 4:42 PM
>>>> To: 'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'
>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Annette Carr <amcarr1 at verizon.net>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Braille Label Maker
>>>>
>>>> The label maker is battery operated or can be plugged in to an
>>>> electronic
>>>> outlet.  It has a Perkins style keyboard.  The label tape is
>>>> automatically
>>>> advanced as you write, and I believe that there is no need to advance
>>>> the
>>>> tape prior to cutting.  Probably the biggest difference is that you can
>>>> plug
>>>> a standard computer USB keyboard into the unit to produce the braille
>>>> label.
>>>> The use of a QWERTY allows family members, teachers, employers and
>>>> co-workers to create labels easier and faster.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, the price does appear to be high, but the cost of research,
>>>> development
>>>> and production is high.  It is the first major change in the area of
>>>> braille
>>>> label makers in the more than 40 years that I have been aware of them.
>>>> They
>>>> are selling a product that only has the potential of being sold to a
>>>> small
>>>> segment of the population.  In order for them to recuperate their
>>>> financial
>>>> investment in a reasonable amount of time, the price is set higher than
>>>> many
>>>> can afford.  Does anyone remember the price of refreshable braille
>>>> displays
>>>> when they first came out?  Was it something like $10,000 to $20,000 for
>>>> a
>>>> 40
>>>> or 80 cell display?  Through the end of tomorrow (September 30) you can
>>>> purchase the Perkins Mini 24 cell refreshable braille display for less
>>>> than
>>>> $1900 including shipping.
>>>>
>>>> Annette
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman via Electronics-talk
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2015 6:13 PM
>>>> To: 'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'
>>>> Cc: Mike Freeman
>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Braille Label Maker
>>>>
>>>> It's so expensive because it has (as I understand it) a Perkins-style
>>>> keyboard and because it's electronic.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Star Gazer via Electronics-talk
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2015 10:27 AM
>>>> To: 'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'
>>>> Cc: Star Gazer
>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Braille Label Maker
>>>>
>>>> Yes I'm curious what exactly does this
>>>> labeler do and why is it so expensive?
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of lauren--- via Electronics-talk
>>>> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 11:53 PM
>>>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: lauren at catlines.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Braille Label Maker
>>>>
>>>> Hi, I can't believe that a LabelMaker would cost $600 or more. How in
>>>> the
>>>> world do they justify that price?
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 28, 2015, at 5:42 PM, cheez via Electronics-talk
>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry to hear that.
>>>>> Too bad we don't have more repairers out there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Vince
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pamela Dominguez via
>>>>> Electronics-talk"
>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Cc: "Pamela Dominguez" <geodom at optonline.net>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 5:20 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Braille Label Maker
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> George died in 2012.  Pam.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: cheez via Electronics-talk
>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 2:16 AM
>>>>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>>>> Cc: cheez
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Braille Label Maker
>>>>>
>>>>> I've never seen one that didn't have some of the braille contractions
>>>>> on
>>>> it.
>>>>> What happened to George?  Does he still fix them?
>>>>>
>>>>> Vince
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pamela Dominguez via
>>>>> Electronics-talk"
>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Cc: "Pamela Dominguez" <geodom at optonline.net>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 12:27 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Braille Label Maker
>>>>>
>>>>>
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