[Electronics-talk] Braille Label Maker

Fri Oct 2 05:37:39 UTC 2015

Nobody threatened anybody. You just didn't like what I wrote, and I'm
alright with that. truth is truth and usually everybody won't like
truth. I am very acquainted with the delete key and I usually do not
chime in, to complain or actively participate daily,  but enough is
enough! Something needed to be said and I was the chosen one. I said
it, yes I did! Goodnight chris!

On 10/1/15, Christopher Chaltain via Electronics-talk
<electronics-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Yes, and that's exactly how I feel about the message below. I hope we're
> not on many of the same lists because I'd rather my list mates use the
> delete key then waste my time posting a message like this one below. As
> I said, I think this whole thread is off topic for this list, but you
> never saw me make that point on list. I only weighed in when I started
> seeing messages like the one below where one list member thinks hey have
> the right to determine when a thread they're not interested in has gone
> on too long. IMHO, if you're not interested in a thread then delete it.
> If you don't like how the list is moderated then contact the moderator
> off list or find another list. When list members start to think they can
> dictate what can and cannot be discussed on a list then lists turn into
> disorganized flame wars. I too hope the moderator steps in, but I hope
> it's to curb messages like the one below and the threats being made. I
> find it ironic that someone who complains about how their time is being
> wasted has the time to write the following message and threaten this and
> other lists with more of the same.
>
> On 10/01/2015 11:18 PM, Danielle Ledet via Electronics-talk wrote:
>> I don't even wish to see it in my Spam folder and therefore, I don't
>> wish to see it as a subject one more day! It is just empty pointless
>> discussion. Ive seen much of the same on other lists! beating a topic
>> till it's dead. And the point is?
>>
>> Moderators should start limiting topics and shutting them and/or the
>> repeat posters down when people start repeating themselves,  sharing
>> experiences for the sake of keeping a topic going, or just agreeing.
>> If not, then why do we have list moderators? They do this with
>> one-liners and some lists have a posts per day limit! This forces
>> people to think before they write, limits the lennth of a thread,
>> helps them to learn to write meaningful and informative concise
>> messages, and allows others the opportunity to contribute without
>> becoming fatigued at about the 67th message on the topic or, the 10th
>> new thread on the same subject in a month's time! If one is trying to
>> be productive while still contributing to list discussions, as in
>> working at home, they will have to sacrifice one or the other. Not
>> fair! Who would object to that?
>>
>> If you aare on any other lists I'm on I will be writing the same
>> message if this unnecessary bantering continues without moderator
>> interjection. Get ready!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/1/15, Christopher Chaltain via Electronics-talk
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> IMHO, this thread is off topic for this list, but that's a call for the
>>> moderator to make. It isn't up to individual users to determine what
>>> other list members can talk about. I'm not particularly interested in
>>> this thread, especially on this list, but it's been no problem for me to
>>> keep up with this thread using my delete key and especially using a
>>> threaded email client.
>>>
>>> On 10/01/2015 08:18 PM, Danielle Ledet via Electronics-talk wrote:
>>>> Ladies and gentlemen! This thread is quite worn! Might I suggest we
>>>> move on? I read everything because I thought this was something great
>>>> and new and improved and it is clearly just another ply for us
>>>> SSI-dependent blinks to spend money we *do not* have! I consider
>>>> checking into the Jot-A-Dot but since it is no longer available in the
>>>> US what more is there to say? The good ol' slae and stylus? yep we
>>>> covered that. I have one but not with the labeling slot. I just bought
>>>> a new and improved Braille Labeler for $20 too. Im happy with that!
>>>> This thread is through. The 21 gun saluete has been given. Let's go!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 10/1/15, Pamela Dominguez via Electronics-talk
>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> Okay, so how is that not backward?  Pam.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Mike Freeman via Electronics-talk
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 2:03 PM
>>>>> To: 'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'
>>>>> Cc: Mike Freeman
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Braille Label Maker
>>>>>
>>>>> Indeed, Braille on a slate and stylus is not written "backward"; the
>>>>> cell
>>>>> is, rather, rotated 180 degrees around the vertical axis. Put another
>>>>> way,
>>>>> the cell as written on a slate and stylus is a mirror image of the way
>>>>> it's
>>>>> written on a Perkins Braillewriter. I like Fred Schroeder's "first
>>>>> side,
>>>>> second side" lingo for Braille.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike Freeman
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Steve Jacobson via Electronics-talk
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 10:40 AM
>>>>> To: 'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'
>>>>> Cc: Steve Jacobson
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Braille Label Maker
>>>>>
>>>>> I have heard of the Jot-a-Dot but don't honestly remember how it
>>>>> works.
>>>>> However, those of us who have used a slate and stylus for a while
>>>>> don't
>>>>> really think of writing everything backward.  I understand it seems
>>>>> that
>>>>> way
>>>>> at first, though.  Do you know if the Jot-a-Dot would work on labeling
>>>>> tape?
>>>>> It would have to have the ability to hold the tape in place and to
>>>>> emboss
>>>>> a
>>>>> heavier material.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve Jacobson
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of cheez via Electronics-talk
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 11:29 PM
>>>>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Cc: cheez <cheez at cox.net>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Braille Label Maker
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve:
>>>>>
>>>>> Have you ever heard or seen the Jot-a-Dot?
>>>>> It cost about $300.  I think it would be a better tool for the newly
>>>>> blind
>>>>> to learn how to write braille instead of the slate and stylus.  At
>>>>> least
>>>>> you
>>>>>
>>>>> don't have to think backwards when you use the Jot-a-Dot.
>>>>> One can use any kind of paper, too.
>>>>>
>>>>> Vince
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Steve Jacobson via Electronics-talk"
>>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> To: "'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'"
>>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Cc: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 8:59 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Braille Label Maker
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> In addition to these points, I would like to add that the costs of
>>>>>> making
>>>>>> reliable mechanical devices has risen greatly.  I once saw a
>>>>>> prototype
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> label maker with a Perkins style keyboard that was all mechanical.
>>>>>> It
>>>>>> worked very nicely, but the price was not going to be much cheaper
>>>>>> than
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> device is.  Look at the price of the Perkins Brailler itself as an
>>>>>> example,
>>>>>> and the development costs of that device have long been covered.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've tried a number of different label making devices over the years,
>>>>>> including that little frame you can put into a Perkins brailler.  I
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> pretty much gone back to using a slate and stylus for labels.  This
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> an
>>>>>> option that is often overlooked.  Even if one is not fast at using a
>>>>>> slate
>>>>>> and stylus, the time it takes is not that bad when you take into
>>>>>> account
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> time one spends spinning a dial on a label gun or lining up a frame
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> braille writer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have also found that often simply brailling on mailing labels is a
>>>>>> good
>>>>>> alternative when the size doesn't matter too much.  Mailing labels
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> as durable as is labeling tape, but the braille lasts longer than you
>>>>>> might
>>>>>> think.  This works especially well when the label is only needed for
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> month
>>>>>> or so such on a package of food.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Therefore, there are some cheap alternatives, but the convenience of
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> device makes it something I might consider.  I wonder what the
>>>>>> quality
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> the braille is?  That is one thing I like about using the slate and
>>>>>> stylus.
>>>>>> I get nicer dot quality than I did either with a labeling gun or the
>>>>>> frame
>>>>>> for the Perkins Brailler, even though both produced reasonable
>>>>>> braille.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Steve Jacobson
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>> On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Brett Boyer via Electronics-talk
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2015 7:54 PM
>>>>>> To: 'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'
>>>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Cc: Brett Boyer <bboyer202 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Braille Label Maker
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Great points!
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>> bb
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>> On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Annette Carr via Electronics-talk
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2015 4:42 PM
>>>>>> To: 'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'
>>>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Cc: Annette Carr <amcarr1 at verizon.net>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Braille Label Maker
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The label maker is battery operated or can be plugged in to an
>>>>>> electronic
>>>>>> outlet.  It has a Perkins style keyboard.  The label tape is
>>>>>> automatically
>>>>>> advanced as you write, and I believe that there is no need to advance
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> tape prior to cutting.  Probably the biggest difference is that you
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> plug
>>>>>> a standard computer USB keyboard into the unit to produce the braille
>>>>>> label.
>>>>>> The use of a QWERTY allows family members, teachers, employers and
>>>>>> co-workers to create labels easier and faster.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, the price does appear to be high, but the cost of research,
>>>>>> development
>>>>>> and production is high.  It is the first major change in the area of
>>>>>> braille
>>>>>> label makers in the more than 40 years that I have been aware of
>>>>>> them.
>>>>>> They
>>>>>> are selling a product that only has the potential of being sold to a
>>>>>> small
>>>>>> segment of the population.  In order for them to recuperate their
>>>>>> financial
>>>>>> investment in a reasonable amount of time, the price is set higher
>>>>>> than
>>>>>> many
>>>>>> can afford.  Does anyone remember the price of refreshable braille
>>>>>> displays
>>>>>> when they first came out?  Was it something like $10,000 to $20,000
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> 40
>>>>>> or 80 cell display?  Through the end of tomorrow (September 30) you
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> purchase the Perkins Mini 24 cell refreshable braille display for
>>>>>> less
>>>>>> than
>>>>>> $1900 including shipping.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Annette
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>> On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman via Electronics-talk
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2015 6:13 PM
>>>>>> To: 'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'
>>>>>> Cc: Mike Freeman
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Braille Label Maker
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's so expensive because it has (as I understand it) a Perkins-style
>>>>>> keyboard and because it's electronic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>> On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Star Gazer via Electronics-talk
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2015 10:27 AM
>>>>>> To: 'Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances'
>>>>>> Cc: Star Gazer
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Braille Label Maker
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes I'm curious what exactly does this
>>>>>> labeler do and why is it so expensive?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Electronics-talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>> On
>>>>>> Behalf Of lauren--- via Electronics-talk
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 11:53 PM
>>>>>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Cc: lauren at catlines.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Braille Label Maker
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi, I can't believe that a LabelMaker would cost $600 or more. How in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> world do they justify that price?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sep 28, 2015, at 5:42 PM, cheez via Electronics-talk
>>>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry to hear that.
>>>>>>> Too bad we don't have more repairers out there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Vince
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pamela Dominguez via
>>>>>>> Electronics-talk"
>>>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>>>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Cc: "Pamela Dominguez" <geodom at optonline.net>
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 5:20 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Braille Label Maker
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> George died in 2012.  Pam.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: cheez via Electronics-talk
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 2:16 AM
>>>>>>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>>>>>>> Cc: cheez
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Braille Label Maker
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've never seen one that didn't have some of the braille
>>>>>>> contractions
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>> What happened to George?  Does he still fix them?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Vince
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pamela Dominguez via
>>>>>>> Electronics-talk"
>>>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> To: "Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances"
>>>>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Cc: "Pamela Dominguez" <geodom at optonline.net>
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 12:27 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-talk] Braille Label Maker
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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