[Electronics-Talk] Appliance Overlays - Was: gas stoves

Wed Nov 9 15:47:46 UTC 2016

Tracy I think that in order to be effective the plastic needs to be 
rigid. This is what allows you to orient the overlay and the openings 
consistently.

Brad

On 11/9/2016 10:31 AM, Tracy Carcione via Electronics-Talk wrote:
> I wonder if it would be feasible to create an overlay using thick plastic,
> such as the plastic potting soil comes in, and something like a hole punch.
> Someone would have to mark the plastic, then punch the holes.  It wouldn't
> be as spiffy as Brad's plexiglass overlay, but it could, theoretically, be
> made by an un-handy person.
> Tracy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Electronics-Talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Jim McCarthy via Electronics-Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 10:00 AM
> To: 'Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances'
> Cc: Jim McCarthy
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Appliance Overlays - Was: gas stoves
>
> I want to look into the combination of 3d printing and use of a lazar cutter
> but again, I don't have the skills to do this. They may be available around
> me though so it is my hope to have this take place soon. I think the
> capacity to make these overlays has improved but most of us are not probably
> active makers or DIY folks. This may be an area for folks to get into doing
> some of that in the Maker Spacers that are emerging or find folks within
> those who would like to help with such projects. I do not believe this
> likely to be a moneymaking operation alone. Perhaps some who are doing
> braille conversion will think about adding this to their work but I still am
> not sure it would be that profitable. In an earlier email on this point, I
> asked if anyone was using overlays and it was this sort of thing about which
> I wondered. As I said, I think our oven would be better with an overlay than
> the braille we use, but we have more capacity to create the braille than the
> overlay, and also to recreate it when it fails as a result of time, Greece
> and so forth.
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Electronics-Talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Brad Hodges via Electronics-Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 10:43 AM
> To: Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances
> Cc: Brad Hodges
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Appliance Overlays - Was: gas stoves
>
> Annette:
>
>
> I have been suggesting that blind people give these kinds of overlays a try
> for many years. So far there hasn't been that much interest.
>
>
> So far it is a custom process, so it will be best if folks find someone with
> the skills and equipment to help fabricate the overlay for their particular
> appliance.
>
>
> I do not attach the overlay permanently. I simply hold the overlay in place
> with one hand and use the other to set the controls.
>
>
> I have also been thinking that with rather inexpensive rapid prototype
> technology, also called 3D printing, that more elaborate templates can
> be created which include braille labels etc.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 11/8/2016 8:08 AM, Annette Carr via Electronics-Talk wrote:
>> Hi Brad,
>>
>> Maybe your husband needs to start a business creating plesiglass overlays
>> for appliance touch panels.
>>
>> How did you adhere the overlay?
>>
>> Annette
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Electronics-Talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Brad Hodges via Electronics-Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 4:52 AM
>> To: Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances
>> Cc: Brad Hodges
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] gas stoves
>>
>> Annette:
>>
>>
>> My plexiglass overlay was crafted by my husband Joe. He is an amazing guy
> of
>> many talents which, thankfully, include the use of power tools.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/7/2016 8:33 PM, Annette Carr via Electronics-Talk wrote:
>>> Hi Brad,
>>>
>>> Where and/or did you get a plexiglass overlay?
>>>
>>> Annette
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Electronics-Talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Brad Hodges via Electronics-Talk
>>> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2016 7:26 PM
>>> To: Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances
>>> Cc: Brad Hodges
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] gas stoves
>>>
>>> Drew and list:
>>>
>>>
>>> First to Jim's question, in the UK it's a "cooker" here in the States
> it's
>> a
>>> stove or range. I noticed that Consumer Reports uses the terms electric
>>> range and gas range. To my mind by either name it's a free-standing
>>> appliance, 30 inches wide. It most often fills an opening between kitchen
>>> cabinets. A range includes a cook surface and an oven.
>>>
>>>
>>> Less common are slide-in's and drop-in's these designs are surrounded, in
>>> some part, by counter tops and cabinetry. They have all controls on the
>>> front, because their design does not include the upright control panel
>> found
>>> on ranges.
>>>
>>>
>>> Since you are looking for a gas range, the issue of burner controls is
>>> rather simple, and works in your favor. Most all gas ranges use
>> conventional
>>> turn knobs located on the front of the appliance. Orienting yourself to
>> the
>>> burners is straight forward.
>>>
>>>
>>> As for controls of the oven, you will be looking for something which you
>> can
>>> plan to mark, unless you can find oven controls which have some tactile
>>> indication on them. I do not know of any of this kind.
>>>
>>>
>>> To operate your oven, typically you will touch a relatively small control
>>> region on the glassy surface of the control panel for Bake, or Broil.
> Then
>>> the temperature is displayed. Repeatedly touching An up and down region
>>> moves the temperature by 5 degree increments allowing you to set the
>>> temperature and lastly an OK or "bake" control starts the unit
> preheating.
>>>
>>> you are going to want to make sure that when you turn the oven off, and
>> then
>>> on again, it always returns to the same temperature setting, this is
> often
>>> 350 degrees.
>>>
>>>
>>> You should also be able to touch  "clear" or "cancel" to begin again if
>> you
>>> loose track of counting up or down beeps etc.
>>>
>>>
>>> Brands and models can differ significantly in the layout and complexity
>>> of the touch regions. For instance rows of digits used to set
>>> temperatures and advanced program settings. In my experience avoiding
>>> this level of complexity is advisable both from the perspective of
>>> marking the oven controls as well as recalling complex control sequences.
>>>
>>>
>>> An alternative, which I use personally, is to create a plexiglass
>>> template with cutouts corresponding to the various touch regions. When
>>> using my template, I simply hold it against the rectangular control
>>> panel and set the oven. I can keep the controls clean and I don't have
>>> to be concerned about replacing bumps or other adhesive labels which can
>>> come off.
>>>
>>>
>>> You should have the sales person connect the gas range to 110 electric
>>> service. This will power the controls and let you know exactly how they
>>> operate. I always take my trusty 50 foot extension cord when visiting
>>> the appliance store.
>>>
>>>
>>> Note, the Independence Market has 5 different sizes and shapes of bumps
>>> which you can use to mark your appliance. Brenda did a wonderful job of
>>> describing them all to me last week when I called on behalf of one of
>>> our Chapter members.
>>>
>>>
>>> Before placing your control markers make sure that there is no
>>> protective film on the smooth control surface
>>>
>>>
>>> Hope this is helpful.
>>>
>>>
>>> Brad
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/7/2016 6:02 PM, Jim Barbour via Electronics-Talk wrote:
>>>> If you're talking about stoves, and not ranges that include electric
>>> ovens, what do you worry about being accessible?
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Written While on the Move
>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 7, 2016, at 2:45 PM, Drew Hunthausen via Electronics-Talk
>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> Dear list,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm looking for some reccomendations on any particular gas ranges that
>>>>> people have really liked or else what to look for when investigating
> the
>>>>> different models. I am totally blind so want something accessible
>>> obviously!
>>>>> Thanks so much
>>>>>
>>>>> Drew Hunthausen
>>>>>
>>>>>
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