[Electronics-Talk] Appliance Overlays - Was: gas stoves

Wed Nov 9 15:50:03 UTC 2016

Actually, I think there could be some flexibility in the plastic without
limiting its effectiveness. A plastic like the signature guides folks have
in the wallets would seem workable to me.
Jim McCarthy

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Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Appliance Overlays - Was: gas stoves

Tracy I think that in order to be effective the plastic needs to be rigid.
This is what allows you to orient the overlay and the openings consistently.

Brad

On 11/9/2016 10:31 AM, Tracy Carcione via Electronics-Talk wrote:
> I wonder if it would be feasible to create an overlay using thick 
> plastic, such as the plastic potting soil comes in, and something like a
hole punch.
> Someone would have to mark the plastic, then punch the holes.  It 
> wouldn't be as spiffy as Brad's plexiglass overlay, but it could, 
> theoretically, be made by an un-handy person.
> Tracy
>
>
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>
> I want to look into the combination of 3d printing and use of a lazar 
> cutter but again, I don't have the skills to do this. They may be 
> available around me though so it is my hope to have this take place 
> soon. I think the capacity to make these overlays has improved but 
> most of us are not probably active makers or DIY folks. This may be an 
> area for folks to get into doing some of that in the Maker Spacers 
> that are emerging or find folks within those who would like to help 
> with such projects. I do not believe this likely to be a moneymaking 
> operation alone. Perhaps some who are doing braille conversion will 
> think about adding this to their work but I still am not sure it would 
> be that profitable. In an earlier email on this point, I asked if 
> anyone was using overlays and it was this sort of thing about which I 
> wondered. As I said, I think our oven would be better with an overlay 
> than the braille we use, but we have more capacity to create the 
> braille than the overlay, and also to recreate it when it fails as a
result of time, Greece and so forth.
> Jim
>
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> From: Electronics-Talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Brad Hodges via Electronics-Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 10:43 AM
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> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Appliance Overlays - Was: gas stoves
>
> Annette:
>
>
> I have been suggesting that blind people give these kinds of overlays 
> a try for many years. So far there hasn't been that much interest.
>
>
> So far it is a custom process, so it will be best if folks find 
> someone with the skills and equipment to help fabricate the overlay 
> for their particular appliance.
>
>
> I do not attach the overlay permanently. I simply hold the overlay in 
> place with one hand and use the other to set the controls.
>
>
> I have also been thinking that with rather inexpensive rapid prototype 
> technology, also called 3D printing, that more elaborate templates can 
> be created which include braille labels etc.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 11/8/2016 8:08 AM, Annette Carr via Electronics-Talk wrote:
>> Hi Brad,
>>
>> Maybe your husband needs to start a business creating plesiglass 
>> overlays for appliance touch panels.
>>
>> How did you adhere the overlay?
>>
>> Annette
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Electronics-Talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>> On Behalf Of Brad Hodges via Electronics-Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 4:52 AM
>> To: Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances
>> Cc: Brad Hodges
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] gas stoves
>>
>> Annette:
>>
>>
>> My plexiglass overlay was crafted by my husband Joe. He is an amazing 
>> guy
> of
>> many talents which, thankfully, include the use of power tools.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/7/2016 8:33 PM, Annette Carr via Electronics-Talk wrote:
>>> Hi Brad,
>>>
>>> Where and/or did you get a plexiglass overlay?
>>>
>>> Annette
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
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>>> On Behalf Of Brad Hodges via Electronics-Talk
>>> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2016 7:26 PM
>>> To: Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances
>>> Cc: Brad Hodges
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] gas stoves
>>>
>>> Drew and list:
>>>
>>>
>>> First to Jim's question, in the UK it's a "cooker" here in the 
>>> States
> it's
>> a
>>> stove or range. I noticed that Consumer Reports uses the terms 
>>> electric range and gas range. To my mind by either name it's a 
>>> free-standing appliance, 30 inches wide. It most often fills an 
>>> opening between kitchen cabinets. A range includes a cook surface and an
oven.
>>>
>>>
>>> Less common are slide-in's and drop-in's these designs are 
>>> surrounded, in some part, by counter tops and cabinetry. They have 
>>> all controls on the front, because their design does not include the 
>>> upright control panel
>> found
>>> on ranges.
>>>
>>>
>>> Since you are looking for a gas range, the issue of burner controls 
>>> is rather simple, and works in your favor. Most all gas ranges use
>> conventional
>>> turn knobs located on the front of the appliance. Orienting yourself 
>>> to
>> the
>>> burners is straight forward.
>>>
>>>
>>> As for controls of the oven, you will be looking for something which 
>>> you
>> can
>>> plan to mark, unless you can find oven controls which have some 
>>> tactile indication on them. I do not know of any of this kind.
>>>
>>>
>>> To operate your oven, typically you will touch a relatively small 
>>> control region on the glassy surface of the control panel for Bake, or
Broil.
> Then
>>> the temperature is displayed. Repeatedly touching An up and down 
>>> region moves the temperature by 5 degree increments allowing you to 
>>> set the temperature and lastly an OK or "bake" control starts the 
>>> unit
> preheating.
>>>
>>> you are going to want to make sure that when you turn the oven off, 
>>> and
>> then
>>> on again, it always returns to the same temperature setting, this is
> often
>>> 350 degrees.
>>>
>>>
>>> You should also be able to touch  "clear" or "cancel" to begin again 
>>> if
>> you
>>> loose track of counting up or down beeps etc.
>>>
>>>
>>> Brands and models can differ significantly in the layout and 
>>> complexity of the touch regions. For instance rows of digits used to 
>>> set temperatures and advanced program settings. In my experience 
>>> avoiding this level of complexity is advisable both from the 
>>> perspective of marking the oven controls as well as recalling complex
control sequences.
>>>
>>>
>>> An alternative, which I use personally, is to create a plexiglass 
>>> template with cutouts corresponding to the various touch regions. 
>>> When using my template, I simply hold it against the rectangular 
>>> control panel and set the oven. I can keep the controls clean and I 
>>> don't have to be concerned about replacing bumps or other adhesive 
>>> labels which can come off.
>>>
>>>
>>> You should have the sales person connect the gas range to 110 
>>> electric service. This will power the controls and let you know 
>>> exactly how they operate. I always take my trusty 50 foot extension 
>>> cord when visiting the appliance store.
>>>
>>>
>>> Note, the Independence Market has 5 different sizes and shapes of 
>>> bumps which you can use to mark your appliance. Brenda did a 
>>> wonderful job of describing them all to me last week when I called 
>>> on behalf of one of our Chapter members.
>>>
>>>
>>> Before placing your control markers make sure that there is no 
>>> protective film on the smooth control surface
>>>
>>>
>>> Hope this is helpful.
>>>
>>>
>>> Brad
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/7/2016 6:02 PM, Jim Barbour via Electronics-Talk wrote:
>>>> If you're talking about stoves, and not ranges that include 
>>>> electric
>>> ovens, what do you worry about being accessible?
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Written While on the Move
>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 7, 2016, at 2:45 PM, Drew Hunthausen via Electronics-Talk
>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> Dear list,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm looking for some reccomendations on any particular gas ranges 
>>>>> that people have really liked or else what to look for when 
>>>>> investigating
> the
>>>>> different models. I am totally blind so want something accessible
>>> obviously!
>>>>> Thanks so much
>>>>>
>>>>> Drew Hunthausen
>>>>>
>>>>>
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