[Electronics-Talk] Appliance Overlays - Was: gas stoves

Wed Nov 9 23:06:30 UTC 2016

I do think that it is worth testing various types of material.  If something
like the plastic used for signature guides can be used without allowing
accidental activation because it allows the fingertip to get too close to
the button before you want to activate it, it would be a less expensive
material to use as compared to plexiglass.

Annette

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Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Appliance Overlays - Was: gas stoves

Actually, I think there could be some flexibility in the plastic without
limiting its effectiveness. A plastic like the signature guides folks have
in the wallets would seem workable to me.
Jim McCarthy

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Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Appliance Overlays - Was: gas stoves

Tracy I think that in order to be effective the plastic needs to be rigid.
This is what allows you to orient the overlay and the openings consistently.

Brad

On 11/9/2016 10:31 AM, Tracy Carcione via Electronics-Talk wrote:
> I wonder if it would be feasible to create an overlay using thick 
> plastic, such as the plastic potting soil comes in, and something like 
> a
hole punch.
> Someone would have to mark the plastic, then punch the holes.  It 
> wouldn't be as spiffy as Brad's plexiglass overlay, but it could, 
> theoretically, be made by an un-handy person.
> Tracy
>
>
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> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Appliance Overlays - Was: gas stoves
>
> I want to look into the combination of 3d printing and use of a lazar 
> cutter but again, I don't have the skills to do this. They may be 
> available around me though so it is my hope to have this take place 
> soon. I think the capacity to make these overlays has improved but 
> most of us are not probably active makers or DIY folks. This may be an 
> area for folks to get into doing some of that in the Maker Spacers 
> that are emerging or find folks within those who would like to help 
> with such projects. I do not believe this likely to be a moneymaking 
> operation alone. Perhaps some who are doing braille conversion will 
> think about adding this to their work but I still am not sure it would 
> be that profitable. In an earlier email on this point, I asked if 
> anyone was using overlays and it was this sort of thing about which I 
> wondered. As I said, I think our oven would be better with an overlay 
> than the braille we use, but we have more capacity to create the 
> braille than the overlay, and also to recreate it when it fails as a
result of time, Greece and so forth.
> Jim
>
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> From: Electronics-Talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Brad Hodges via Electronics-Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 10:43 AM
> To: Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances
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> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Appliance Overlays - Was: gas stoves
>
> Annette:
>
>
> I have been suggesting that blind people give these kinds of overlays 
> a try for many years. So far there hasn't been that much interest.
>
>
> So far it is a custom process, so it will be best if folks find 
> someone with the skills and equipment to help fabricate the overlay 
> for their particular appliance.
>
>
> I do not attach the overlay permanently. I simply hold the overlay in 
> place with one hand and use the other to set the controls.
>
>
> I have also been thinking that with rather inexpensive rapid prototype 
> technology, also called 3D printing, that more elaborate templates can 
> be created which include braille labels etc.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 11/8/2016 8:08 AM, Annette Carr via Electronics-Talk wrote:
>> Hi Brad,
>>
>> Maybe your husband needs to start a business creating plesiglass 
>> overlays for appliance touch panels.
>>
>> How did you adhere the overlay?
>>
>> Annette
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> On Behalf Of Brad Hodges via Electronics-Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 4:52 AM
>> To: Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances
>> Cc: Brad Hodges
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] gas stoves
>>
>> Annette:
>>
>>
>> My plexiglass overlay was crafted by my husband Joe. He is an amazing 
>> guy
> of
>> many talents which, thankfully, include the use of power tools.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/7/2016 8:33 PM, Annette Carr via Electronics-Talk wrote:
>>> Hi Brad,
>>>
>>> Where and/or did you get a plexiglass overlay?
>>>
>>> Annette
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
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>>> On Behalf Of Brad Hodges via Electronics-Talk
>>> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2016 7:26 PM
>>> To: Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances
>>> Cc: Brad Hodges
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] gas stoves
>>>
>>> Drew and list:
>>>
>>>
>>> First to Jim's question, in the UK it's a "cooker" here in the 
>>> States
> it's
>> a
>>> stove or range. I noticed that Consumer Reports uses the terms 
>>> electric range and gas range. To my mind by either name it's a 
>>> free-standing appliance, 30 inches wide. It most often fills an 
>>> opening between kitchen cabinets. A range includes a cook surface 
>>> and an
oven.
>>>
>>>
>>> Less common are slide-in's and drop-in's these designs are 
>>> surrounded, in some part, by counter tops and cabinetry. They have 
>>> all controls on the front, because their design does not include the 
>>> upright control panel
>> found
>>> on ranges.
>>>
>>>
>>> Since you are looking for a gas range, the issue of burner controls 
>>> is rather simple, and works in your favor. Most all gas ranges use
>> conventional
>>> turn knobs located on the front of the appliance. Orienting yourself 
>>> to
>> the
>>> burners is straight forward.
>>>
>>>
>>> As for controls of the oven, you will be looking for something which 
>>> you
>> can
>>> plan to mark, unless you can find oven controls which have some 
>>> tactile indication on them. I do not know of any of this kind.
>>>
>>>
>>> To operate your oven, typically you will touch a relatively small 
>>> control region on the glassy surface of the control panel for Bake, 
>>> or
Broil.
> Then
>>> the temperature is displayed. Repeatedly touching An up and down 
>>> region moves the temperature by 5 degree increments allowing you to 
>>> set the temperature and lastly an OK or "bake" control starts the 
>>> unit
> preheating.
>>>
>>> you are going to want to make sure that when you turn the oven off, 
>>> and
>> then
>>> on again, it always returns to the same temperature setting, this is
> often
>>> 350 degrees.
>>>
>>>
>>> You should also be able to touch  "clear" or "cancel" to begin again 
>>> if
>> you
>>> loose track of counting up or down beeps etc.
>>>
>>>
>>> Brands and models can differ significantly in the layout and 
>>> complexity of the touch regions. For instance rows of digits used to 
>>> set temperatures and advanced program settings. In my experience 
>>> avoiding this level of complexity is advisable both from the 
>>> perspective of marking the oven controls as well as recalling 
>>> complex
control sequences.
>>>
>>>
>>> An alternative, which I use personally, is to create a plexiglass 
>>> template with cutouts corresponding to the various touch regions.
>>> When using my template, I simply hold it against the rectangular 
>>> control panel and set the oven. I can keep the controls clean and I 
>>> don't have to be concerned about replacing bumps or other adhesive 
>>> labels which can come off.
>>>
>>>
>>> You should have the sales person connect the gas range to 110 
>>> electric service. This will power the controls and let you know 
>>> exactly how they operate. I always take my trusty 50 foot extension 
>>> cord when visiting the appliance store.
>>>
>>>
>>> Note, the Independence Market has 5 different sizes and shapes of 
>>> bumps which you can use to mark your appliance. Brenda did a 
>>> wonderful job of describing them all to me last week when I called 
>>> on behalf of one of our Chapter members.
>>>
>>>
>>> Before placing your control markers make sure that there is no 
>>> protective film on the smooth control surface
>>>
>>>
>>> Hope this is helpful.
>>>
>>>
>>> Brad
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/7/2016 6:02 PM, Jim Barbour via Electronics-Talk wrote:
>>>> If you're talking about stoves, and not ranges that include 
>>>> electric
>>> ovens, what do you worry about being accessible?
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Written While on the Move
>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 7, 2016, at 2:45 PM, Drew Hunthausen via Electronics-Talk
>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> Dear list,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm looking for some reccomendations on any particular gas ranges 
>>>>> that people have really liked or else what to look for when 
>>>>> investigating
> the
>>>>> different models. I am totally blind so want something accessible
>>> obviously!
>>>>> Thanks so much
>>>>>
>>>>> Drew Hunthausen
>>>>>
>>>>>
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