[Electronics-Talk] Accessible Micro Waves, the Battle is Lost

Fri Oct 28 01:30:49 UTC 2016

Well, Pam, Tina kind of said what I was going to say.  As you know, braille 
readers are a dying breed.  And let me be perfectly clear, I'm not putting 
down those that choose not to learn braille.  For most of those that are 
losing their vision are in their 80's and some may have tactile issues.  And 
as you know, braille requires remembering 63 characters.
[Oops!  My bad.  There are less than 63 characters with the new braille.]

But I agree with Tina.  If folks learned just enough braille to be able to 
read labels perhaps manufacturers would offer them.

In my own opinion, I think a smooth flat surface must be more pleasing to 
the eye.  I don't know.
But I'm sure it's easier to clean than a surface that has high profile or 
semi-high profile buttons.  Even I would love to have a ceramic top stove. 
No burners or dip trays to clean.

Vince

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tina Sohl via Electronics-Talk" <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
To: <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
Cc: "Tina Sohl" <tinabir80 at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Accessible Micro Waves, the Battle is Lost

> If more people learned even enough braille just to read labels maybe the 
> overlays would still be around. I hace met too many1! blind people who 
> refuse to learn cane travel even, and never mind braille. This is just 
> sad! It makes you in my mind, illiterate. Sighted people still read and 
> write print all the time we should too.
> Original message:
>> I'm not sure what is meant by "the lazy sighted boon". What are these
>> devices for if not making our lives easier? If the blind benefit from
>> such a feature, then so much the better IMHO!
>
>> On 27/10/16 08:19, George Dominguez via Electronics-Talk wrote:
>>> No, I never thought the Zenith VCR was made with us in mind.  But
>>> braille overlays for stuff is a totally different deal.  That is made
>>> specifically for the blind.  But I guess not enough people asked for
>>> them, and most people don't even think the blind exist.  Pam.
>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: cheez via Electronics-Talk
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 9:25 PM
>>> To: Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances
>>> Cc: cheez
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Accessible Micro Waves, the Battle is 
>>> Lost
>
>>> A lot of things are novelties, that so happen to benefit the blind
>>> community.  I hope you didn't think the VCR which had verbal onscreen 
>>> timer
>>> setting was done with us in mind?  That was just the beginning of the 
>>> lazy
>>> sighted boon.
>
>>> Vince
>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Dominguez via
>>> Electronics-Talk" <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> To: "Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances"
>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: <geodom at optonline.net>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 5:58 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Accessible Micro Waves, the Battle is 
>>> Lost
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>
>>>> I have no idea why any company starts and then stops something: maybe
>>>> not enough people used it, or maybe also changes in management with
>>>> different ideas about what is needed, or budget, all kinds of
>>>> reasons.  Pam.
>
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Ashley Bramlett via Electronics-Talk
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 10:50 PM
>>>> To: Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances
>>>> Cc: Ashley Bramlett
>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Accessible Micro Waves, the Battle is
>>>> Lost
>
>>>> Hello,
>>>> That's too bad GE no longer has braille overlays. why did they stop?
>>>> Does any appliance maker do this anymore? Whirlpool?
>
>>>> Ashley
>
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: George Dominguez via Electronics-Talk
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 4:44 PM
>>>> To: Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances
>>>> Cc: geodom at optonline.net
>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Accessible Micro Waves, the Battle is
>>>> Lost
>
>>>> I remember when I first moved into this building in 1984, the 
>>>> appliances
>>>> were GE.  I had heard that GE made overlays for stoves and ovens.  So, 
>>>> I
>>>> called them, and found out that they no longer did that.  They just had
>>>> overlays for microwave ovens.  And now, I guess they don't have that.
>>>> Pam.
>
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Annette Carr via Electronics-Talk
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 4:18 PM
>>>> To: 'Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances'
>>>> Cc: Annette Carr
>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Accessible Micro Waves, the Battle is
>>>> Lost
>
>>>> I can confirm that GE no longer provides braille overlays for
>>>> microwaves. I
>>>> did not inquire about other appliances, but I'm guessing they no longer
>>>> provide braille overlays for them either.
>
>>>> Annette
>
>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Electronics-Talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of cheez via Electronics-Talk
>>>> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 10:31 PM
>>>> To: Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances
>>>> Cc: cheez
>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Accessible Micro Waves, the Battle is
>>>> Lost
>
>>>> Whirlpool no longer makes braille overlays, and I'm sure GE has 
>>>> followed
>>>> suit.
>
>>>> Vince
>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Robin Frost via Electronics-Talk" <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> To: "Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances"
>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: "Robin Frost" <robini71 at gmail.com>
>>>> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 1:50 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Accessible Micro Waves, the Battle is
>>>> Lost
>
>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> doesn't Whirlpool make braille overlays for their appliances? they
>>>>> used to
>
>>>>> do so.  Perhaps a call to them might shed light on this situation?
>>>>> Robin
>
>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Annette Carr via Electronics-Talk
>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 4:37 PM
>>>>> To: 'Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances'
>>>>> Cc: Annette Carr
>>>>> Subject: [Electronics-Talk] Accessible Micro Waves, the Battle is Lost
>
>>>>> Hi All,
>
>
>
>>>>> Well I am at a dead-end when it comes to finding an accessible over 
>>>>> the
>>>>> range microwave.  They just do not exist.  We are left with no option
>>>>> but
>>>>> to
>>>>> purchase one that I cannot use as we need the exhaust.  We cannot just
>>>>> replace the microwave with a traditional exhaust hood as we would
>>>>> have to
>>>>> replace the cabinet above the range to position the hood at the 
>>>>> required
>>>>> height.  Well, that is not going to happen since it is not possible to
>>>>> match
>>>>> a new cabinets to the existing cabinets.
>
>
>
>>>>> The appliance manufacturers think that making an appliance ADA
>>>>> accessible
>>>>> requires them to only meet physical access requirements.  Access for 
>>>>> the
>>>>> blind is not even a consideration.  It is just a matter of time before
>>>>> access to all appliances are out of our reach.
>
>
>
>>>>> Annette
>
>
>
>
>
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