[Electronics-Talk] Smartphone for visually impaired people, There Are Ways To Fund It

Sat Dec 23 15:47:59 UTC 2017

I concur, Christopher.

Vince

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Christopher Chaltain via Electronics-Talk" 
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To: "Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances" 
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Cc: "Christopher Chaltain" <chaltain at gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Smartphone for visually impaired people, 
There Are Ways To Fund It

> This isn't true at all. Begging is asking for something without giving 
> anything in return https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging
>
>
> A street performer is providing entertainment in return for your money. If 
> a guitar player is performing on the patio of my winery and I decide to 
> tip them, how is this any different then if the same performer sets up on 
> the corner in front of my winery?
>
>
> Obviously, some performers aren't very good and may just be using a poor 
> performance as a ruse to begging. Others will use their blindness or other 
> ploys to have people take pity on them and maybe contribute more than they 
> would otherwise, but this doesn't mean that there aren't good street 
> performers out there working hard at their craft.
>
>
>
> On 12/22/2017 04:31 PM, Gerald Levy via Electronics-Talk wrote:
>>
>> Give me a break. This is begging,plain and simple. There is no way to 
>> sugar coat it as anything else. The only reason people perform on the 
>> street in the first place is because they can't get a real job and must 
>> resort to this activity to supplement whatever meager income they receive 
>> from other sources. Regardless of whether a street performer is blind or 
>> sighted, most members of the general public would regard it as begging. 
>> Being blind actually gives a street performer an advantage because it 
>> elicits even more pity from passersby, and more pity means more money. So 
>> for anyone who wants to raise money to buy an expensive smart phone, be 
>> sure to wear your dark glasses and bring along a tin cup, and watch how 
>> fast those coins plop in as you fiddle away or blow on your trombone. And 
>> if you have a guidedog, be sure to have him sitting patiently by your 
>> side. The more helpless you appear, the more money you will make.
>>
>> Gerald
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Andy Baracco via Electronics-Talk
>> Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 4:34 PM
>> To: Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances
>> Cc: Andy Baracco
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Smartphone for visually impaired people, 
>> There Are Ways To Fund It
>>
>> I think that the determination of whether busking is performing or 
>> begging
>> depends on the quality of the performance. Also, I agree that there
>> shouldn't be a difference as to whether the performer is blind or not if 
>> the
>> blind performer does not advertise or call attention to the fact that he 
>> is
>> blind.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tracy Carcione via Electronics-Talk" 
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> To: "'Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances'"
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>> Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 6:54 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Smartphone for visually impaired people,
>> There Are Ways To Fund It
>>
>>
>>> If busking is a way for sighted musicians to earn some money, why is it 
>>> unacceptable for a blind musician to do the same? I know it might look 
>>> like begging, but it looks to me like a double standard to say it's OK 
>>> for sighted folks, but horrible for blind folks to do the exact same 
>>> thing.
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Electronics-Talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Andrews, David B (DEED) via Electronics-Talk
>>> Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 8:33 AM
>>> To: Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances
>>> Cc: Andrews, David B (DEED)
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Smartphone for visually impaired people, 
>>> There Are Ways To Fund It
>>>
>>> How do you know he is a Federationist ... I will say no more.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> David Andrews | Chief Technology Officer Minnesota Department of 
>>> Employment and Economic Development State Services for the Blind
>>> 2200 University Ave West, Suite 240, St. Paul MN 55114
>>> Direct: 651-539-2294
>>> Web | Twitter | Facebook
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Electronics-Talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Electronics-Talk
>>> Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 5:20 AM
>>> To: Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances 
>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Gerald Levy <bwaylimited at verizon.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Smartphone for visually impaired people, 
>>> There Are Ways To Fund It
>>>
>>>
>>> It is absolutely astonishing to me that a Federationist would suggest 
>>> that a blind person short on cash grovel on a street corner with fiddle 
>>> and tin cup to raise enough money just to buy a smart phone. This is 
>>> prcisely the type of behavior that reinforces the negative stereotype 
>>> that is widely held by the general public that many blind people are 
>>> just a bunch of lazy mendicants who are looking for a handout.
>>>
>>> Gerald
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Ashley Bramlett via Electronics-Talk
>>> Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 1:11 AM
>>> To: Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances
>>> Cc: Ashley Bramlett
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Smartphone for visually impaired people, 
>>> There Are Ways To Fund It
>>>
>>> Peter,
>>>
>>> good ideas and I was going to recommend that.
>>> I know the price for adaptive equipment is high and I'd have more things 
>>> like a braillle display if it were affordable.
>>> I make do with what I have such as my old braille notetaker.
>>>
>>> However, if you really cannot afford a product and cannot get assistance 
>>> from family, you can do what you suggested or there are usually 
>>> assistive tech loans out there.
>>> I know virginia has some sort of low interest loan for adaptive tech. 
>>> And also, there might be help from NFB national or state affiliates.
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Peter Donahue via Electronics-Talk
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 4:07 PM
>>> To: 'Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances'
>>> Cc: Peter Donahue
>>> Subject: [Electronics-Talk] Smartphone for visually impaired people, 
>>> There Are Ways To Fund It
>>>
>>> Good afternoon everyone,
>>>
>>> There's always Busking, Crowdfunding, Dumpster diving,Network Marketing, 
>>> and other ways to increase one's income to cover the cost of assistive 
>>> technology without getting rehab involved. If you want it bad enough 
>>> you'll find a way to raise funds to buy it. That's what you would need 
>>> to do if you were sighted. Some of the ideas above even allow you to do 
>>> a little community service in the process of increasing your income to 
>>> cover these costs.
>>>
>>> Peter Donahue
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Electronics-Talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Michael Russillo via Electronics-Talk
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 3:00 PM
>>> To: S L Johnson via Electronics-Talk
>>> Cc: Michael Russillo
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] FW: Smartphone for visually impaired 
>>> people
>>>
>>> Amen to that; the blindness market is a smaller one--I know, I know, 
>>> that's been hashed over time and again. We should see if the company has 
>>> an installment plan to pay for those tech items gradually; alternatively 
>>> check with NFB for low-interest tech loans; just my 2 cents.
>>>
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/13/2017 3:26 PM, S L Johnson via Electronics-Talk wrote:
>>>> Hello:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for this information. I got excited when I began to read about
>>>> a phone that I could use that was a smart phone with real easy to feel
>>>> buttons. Then I got to the price. Why do all the companies making
>>>> products for the blind price them so high that most of us cannot
>>>> afford them? I know you will all say research and development but the
>>>> reality is that most blind people, especially retired seniors who have
>>>> to live on less than $760 per month, cannot afford it. I wish there
>>>> was some way of making these products more affordable to all of us. A
>>>> smart phone with GPS, OCR scanning and other helpful apps would be a
>>>> great help to all blind people but only those with the financial
>>>> resources will be able to have it. The same is true with the Braille
>>>> notetakers. All of these wonderful products will never be in the
>>>> hands of most of the blind because of their high price. I know it
>>>> will never change but I wish it would because I really could use this
>>>> phone and a new Braille notetaker that is still supported and up to
>>>> date instead of used equipment that I can no longer get repaired by
>>>> companies who no longer support them. I apologize for venting but I
>>>> am reallyfrustrated!
>>>>
>>>> Sandra Johnson
>>>> SLJohnson25 at comcast.net
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Tracy Carcione via Electronics-Talk
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 11:37 AM
>>>> To: 'Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances'
>>>> Cc: Tracy Carcione
>>>> Subject: [Electronics-Talk] FW: Smartphone for visually impaired
>>>> people
>>>>
>>>> Some people recently were asking about easy-to-use phones, so I
>>>> forward this
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>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 11:31 AM
>>>> Subject: Smartphone for visually impaired people
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