[Electronics-Talk] Help Android double-tap

Wed Jan 25 02:58:37 UTC 2017

The various skins out their on Android don't affect how the double tap 
works.

It is true that Talk Back on Android doesn't support a split tap, which 
is an alternative on the iPhone to the double tap.

It's also true that for the best accessibility experience on Android, 
you want a later version of Android, such as Android 5 or later.

The high end Samsung phones do come with Voice Assistant, Samsung's 
screen reader, which is a fork of Google's Talk Back. Voice Assistant 
has it's pros and cons when compared to Talk Back. If you prefer Talk 
Back, you can always install it on a Samsung phone and use it instead of 
Talk Back. You can set up the triple click of the home button to restart 
Talk Back, Voice Assistant or let you choose between the two.

On 24/01/17 20:39, Santiago Velasquez via Electronics-Talk wrote:
> Most of the higher end Samsung phones running Android have the best accessibility features out of most of the android range. As such, their accessibility is pretty similar to that of the iPhone and Voice Over. However, since manufacturers can alter the look of their android phones to stand out from the competition, How talkBack works on one android phone might differ to an other. If your android phone is running a version of android below 4.0, talkback is pretty much useless. This is because prior to android 4.0 explore by touch was not available. Before explore by touch was available, the phone would tell you what you touched after you touched it. However, it would not tell you prior from executing the program, or action. An other factor are the apps, and skin that your phone is running. Android doesn’t have the same requirements for an App as IOS, as such, some apps don’t have any of their controls labeled. If the controls in an App aren’t labeled, the only thing that the screen reader can say is (Unlabelled button). In IOS you can drag one finger around the screen, and stop when you hear the action that you want to execute. Without moving your selector finger, then with a second finger you can tap anywhere on the screen and what you selected with your first finger will be executed. This is not the case for most of the android phones. you can still drag your finger around the screen, and as long as explore by touch is enabled, it will read out  loud what ever is underneath your finger. However, when you want to make a selection you have to stop with your finger and double tap with the same finger that you were using to explore the screen. obviously you cannot move your finger from the selection that you want to make, since you might activate something else. A while a go I heard that with the newer Samsung phones, Samsung moved away from Talkback, and they now use their own screen reader. Somebody please correct me if I am wrong, but this might explain why their screen reader might be closer to Voice Over in some aspects. At the beginning of this message I stated that TalkBack differs from Android Phone to Android phone based on the skin that the manufacturer decides to put on it. TalkBack’s commands are still the same regardless of the skin bundled with the phone, what changes is what TalkBack ends up reading. As stated before, some manufacturer’s skins aren’t as accessible as others, so TalkBack can’t read some of the buttons.
>
> I hope this message clears up some of the confusion, and I hope it does not confuse anybody any more.
> All the best
> Santi
>
>
>> On 25 Jan 2017, at 10:59 AM, Christopher Chaltain via Electronics-Talk <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> This is not true. Find the icon you want to activate either by exploring or swiping and then double tap anywhere you want to on the screen. You also don't have to do this right away. For example, I just picked up my s7, touched the Apps icon at the bottom of the screen, flicked away from it and flicked back to it, waited about 20 seconds and then did a double tap at the top of the screen. My App Drawer came up just fine.
>>
>> There is a slight difference from device to device, but in general, Android is not as sensitive as you all are making it out to be. During the day, I'm constantly going back and forth between my personal Android phone and my employer provided iPhone, and I don't find double tapping to be noticeably different between the two devices.
>>
>> On 24/01/17 11:15, Tina Sohl via Electronics-Talk wrote:
>>> It needs to be a rapid double tap find the icon you want then lift your
>>> fingers then double tAp just where ur finger just was
>>>
>>> sent from my android
>>>
>>> On Jan 24, 2017 7:52 AM, "Carol Feazell via Electronics-Talk" <
>>> electronics-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, there is a trick to this finding and tapping exactly what one intends
>>> to do. I did something really stupid and more than once so get ready to
>>> laugh, push the delete key or whatever is your pleasure. I was trying to
>>> read things on my  phone and could hear it making noise as though I had made
>>> connection with the speech portion but nothing was coming out in the way of
>>> any words. Something told me to check my blue tooth which I hadn't put on
>>> yes. You smart buys got it right. The blue tooth was on and so everything
>>> was coming out of that. Turned the off key and the phone spoke beautifully.
>>>
>>> Carol Jean
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Electronics-Talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via Electronics-Talk
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 7:25 AM
>>> To: 'Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances'
>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Help Android double-tap
>>>
>>> Thanks to everyone who gave me suggestions.  I got a friend to come over,
>>> and he messed with it until he got it to work, then he showed me what to do.
>>> The answer was, very light and very fast.
>>> So I'm OK now.
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Electronics-Talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Jude DaShiell via Electronics-Talk
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2017 12:41 PM
>>> To: Tracy Carcione via Electronics-Talk
>>> Cc: Jude DaShiell
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Help Android double-tap
>>>
>>> has that device ever talked?  If yes, and you slide your finger around the
>>> screen and it's now silent my guess is one of three possibilities:
>>> 1) the device is turned off,
>>> 2) speech is now turned off,
>>> 3) device is in unknown state but needs a battery charge.
>>> More than that I'm clueless and probably less than that too.
>>>
>>> On Sat, 21 Jan 2017, Tracy Carcione via Electronics-Talk wrote:
>>>
>>>> Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2017 12:14:13
>>>> From: Tracy Carcione via Electronics-Talk
>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> To: 'Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances'
>>>>    <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Help Android double-tap
>>>>
>>>> Is there a spot?  I've tried tapping the button, near as I can manage,
>>>> and tapping on other parts of the screen, but nothing works.
>>>> Tracy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Electronics-Talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Carol Feazell via Electronics-Talk
>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2017 10:51 AM
>>>> To: 'Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances'
>>>> Cc: Carol Feazell
>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Help Android double-tap
>>>>
>>>> All I can say, and it no doubt might not help a great deal, is that
>>>> you learn where the spot is and get better by practice, at least that
>>>> was the case for me and my Android phone so presume anything else would be
>>> the same.
>>>> It is a bit frustrating. Those things are sensitive and it's easy to
>>>> get off the spot as you lift your finger to double tap.
>>>>
>>>> Carol Jean
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Electronics-Talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via Electronics-Talk
>>>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 1:57 PM
>>>> To: 'Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances'
>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
>>>> Subject: [Electronics-Talk] Help Android double-tap
>>>>
>>>> Help!  We just got an accessible TV hookup from Cablevision, but they
>>>> control the TV through an Android MotoG phone app.  I use an iPhone,
>>>> and the Android double-tap has totally defeated me.  I find the thing
>>>> I want to double-tap, then the cable guy said to move my finger to a
>>>> different place and double-tap, slowly.  I tried at least 100 times,
>>>> but was only successful once, and couldn't replicate it.  Please
>>>> someone tell me how to do this, if it can be explained over email.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Tracy
>>>>
>>>>
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