[Electronics-Talk] Identifying dog users

Tue Apr 10 17:18:56 UTC 2018

Had to do the same with Lyft, and also the cab company around here.  I am
goingto be testing the cab company soon I think, and see if they have
learned their lesson or if I have to put them in a corner again.
Jordan

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From: Electronics-Talk <electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of
Tracy Carcione via Electronics-Talk
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 12:02 PM
To: Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances
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Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
Subject: [Electronics-Talk] Identifying dog users

Ben, do you realize that you're saying a person can choose to ignore a law
because they don't like it?  Because it is the law that taxi drivers have to
transport me with my dog.  I filed a complaint with Uber against a driver
who refused to take me with my dog.  I got another driver in time to make my
appointment, but there have been cases where people could not get another
driver quickly, or were left stranded somewhere for a long time, waiting.
That's not right.  And what next?  Should drivers be able to say "I'm afraid
of young, black men, so I don't want to drive any of them."?  I don't think
so.

I keep my dog clean, under control, and on the floor.  That's my job, and
reasonable.  Expecting me to wait around for someone who likes dogs is not.
I will sometimes tell a driver I'm the blind person with the guide dog, so
the driver can find me, but I am not obligated to do so.
Tracy

> Hi Ron,
>
> I agree with your position. I tried to weigh in on this earlier, but 
> my response didn't post to the list somehow. I personally identify 
> that I do have a dog. There are some airlines that ask if you are 
> travelling with a service dog, and I always tell them I am.
>
> I also tell taxi companies that I am blind, and that I have a dog. If 
> the driver doesn't know that you are blind, they may be expecting you 
> to use vision to locate the vehicle. - Uber lets passengers know the 
> make of the car, but as I can't see the car, this information is not 
> helpful, so I let uber drivers know that I am blind and that I have a 
> dog. - There is an uber Ex option, that I will use to signify that 
> there is something extra about my ride.
>
> I like your point about other passengers having an allergy, especially 
> if people are using the car pool option. On a bus the person with an 
> allergy would be able to get farther away from the dog, and it would 
> be less of a problem than in a car.
>
> I got my dog in August, and I also noticed in the last few months how 
> many people are afraid of dogs. Once when getting on an elevator there 
> was a child about 8 or ten years old who was starting to freak out 
> because he was afraid of dogs, so I took the next elevator. On public 
> transit, I have noticed a number of people, some of them in their 
> twenties,or older having a strong reaction to my guide dog, even 
> though she is the most peaceful quiet dog one could ever imagine. Just 
> the site of the dog makes some people very nervous, and these people 
> need to be accommodated as well.
>
> I think that if we want to be granted accommodations then we should be 
> willing to consider the positions of other people. Everyone has a 
> right to a work environment that is free of harassment. If a driver 
> identifies as someone who does not want to transport a dog then the 
> company can exclude them from the pool of drivers chosen to transport 
> a passenger with a dog.
> Then if the ap had a place to indicate if you have a dog, the company 
> could match people with drivers that are fine with dogs.
>
> There was also some talk about drivers being able to give low ratings 
> to passengers, and some speculation as to how this could be used to 
> discriminate against dog users. Personally I have not had trouble 
> using uber, and I don't think I have negative reviews, but maybe this 
> is because of how respectful I have been in proactively communicating 
> my guide dog to drivers before they come to pick me up. I would be 
> interested if anyone had some evidence that guide dog users are being 
> given low ratings by drivers with uber.
>
> Also, my dog stays on the floor of the car, but I am wondering if 
> anyone is allowing their dog to go on the seat of the vehicle. I can 
> understand drivers being upset about the hair, and dirt that could 
> come off a dog's paws, if they are on the seat.
>
> When it comes to employment, I and many other blind people that I 
> know, have difficulty in obtaining employment. We don't want to be 
> discriminated against, but there are certain jobs we cannot do. I for 
> one cannot work for Uber as a driver, as much as I would like to, It 
> is just something I am not capable of. However, there are many other 
> things that I could do, but many employers don't want to hire me 
> because they focus on what I can't do, rather than working with what I 
> can do. Getting people fired because they don't want to transport a 
> dog, is just another form of discrimination. The person is quite able 
> to transport people without dogs, so the driver should have the chance 
> to transport people, and to retain his job. Getting fired because 
> there is one aspect of the job that you cannot do seems very unfair to 
> me. I was dismissed from a job for not being able to read the order 
> screen, even though I could do everything else and I was pretty good 
> at it,
> - rest assured I got a settlement from human rights over the wrongfull 
> dismissal, but that is quite off topic for this thread.
>
> This thread is for electronics, so I would like to focus the 
> conversation towards a system where dog users can self identify, and 
> be matched to drivers that will take dogs without a problem.
>
> Respectfully yours,
> Ben Fulton
>
>
> From: "Ronald Smith" <ronsmith131 at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances"
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> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] New Way to Use Uber and Lyft Without a
> 	Smartphone
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> I disagree with Tracy's position and a few others below!
> I'm blind, but not a dog user.
>
> If a driver is indeed allergic to dogs, a blind person should have the 
> curtosy to inform Uber or Lyft that they have a dog guide.
> This may influence the size of vehicle if there are several people 
> traveling with or without dogs and especially if one selects a pool 
> trip.
> You could have a pool passenger who is allergic to dogs as well. Now, 
> I don't know how one would handle this sticky situation.
> But 99&44 100% people on Uber I'm sure don't ride with dogs. So why 
> penalize one driver who can pick up many more non dog users than dog 
> users?
> To me, having a dog guide is like adding a second passenger or PCA 
> equivalent, thus should be required to declare itwhen booking a trip 
> with above or even Access or train and air as well...
>
> Just my opinion.
> ronsmith131 at gmail.com
>
> From: "cheez" <cheez at cox.net>
> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2018 7:14 PM
>
> Long live the golden rule.
> Wow!
>
> Vince
>
> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2018 6:44 AM
>
> I do not say I have a service dog when I call for Uber.  If someone is 
> allergic, then they shouldn't be driving for the public.  Harsh?  
> Maybe, but it's excuse #1, and most of the time it's just that, an 
> excuse not to do something.
> Tracy
>
> On Behalf Of Carol Feazell via Electronics-Talk
> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 6:05 PM
>
> As a point of curiosity and personally not a service dog user, do you 
> identify the fact that you have a dog when calling for a ride? I'm 
> thinking that what if a person was legitimately allergic to dogs. I 
> realize that this is not the reason most would not want them in their 
> cars. Understand, I do appreciate anyone getting a raw deal with a dog 
> and I personally am a doglover, just don't have a dog of any type 
> currently. Still think of the ones from the past, however. Oh well, so 
> much for that. Do take care and hope for good rides for all.
>
> Carol Jean
>
> From: Gerald Levy <bwaylimited at verizon.net>
> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 3:55 PM
>
> Well, if this driver admitted directly to you that he was allergic to 
> dogs, he wasn't very bright.  I suppose he could have given you a low 
> rating instead to protect himself, and then you would have had no way 
> of knowing why you were being denied service in the future.
>
> Gerald
>
> From: Mike via Electronics-Talk
> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 3:34 PM
>
> I just got a lyft driver permanently removed because he said he was 
> allergic to dogs. It was very easy & all done with in 1 hour. They 
> even gave me back the money I payed another driver to go home & gave 
> me a $5 credit. You can call Lyft at 503-503-1748.
> Mike
>
> From: Andy Baracco  <wq6r at socal.rr.com>
> Sent: Friday, April 6, 2018 2:39 PM
>
> What you say can be true, but it also can be true for taxi and even 
> paratransit drivers.  Uber and lyft do have policies in place 
> regarding service animals, but that doesn't garantee that there won't be
issues.
> This is why it is important to be familiar with local, state, and 
> Federal antidiscrimination laws, especially those that pertain to 
> people with disabilities and service animals.
>
> Andy
>
> From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited at verizon.net>
> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 3:37 AM
>
> Keep in mind that Uber and Lift may not be available in all areas.  In 
> general, if you live in a large city and your neighborhood is not well 
> served by yellow taxi cabs, it is not likely to be served by these 
> ride-sharing services, either.  That's because Uber and Lift drivers 
> tend to concentrate where the cabs are, because that's where the 
> business is.
> Taxi cabs tend to serve rich neighborhoods and avoid poor neighborhoods.
> The same is true of Uber and Lift.  Another dirty little secret about 
> these services that many consumers are not aware of is that drivers 
> actually rate passengers, so that passengers that consistently receive 
> negative ratings from drivers bmay not be able to book rides in the 
> future.  So a blind passenger who travels with a guide dog may 
> constantly receive negative ratings from drivers who dislike dogs 
> riding in their vehicles.  To me, this is a blatant violation of 
> privacy rights.
>
> Gerald
>
> From: Andy Baracco via Electronics-Talk
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2018 10:25 PM I believe that you set up 
>>>> payment info when you sign up for Go Go. It is done with a credit 
>>>> card, as Uber and Lyft drivers do not accept cash, even though I 
>>>> believe that you can tip an Uber driver with cash.
>>>>
>>>> Andy
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Michael Russillo via Electronics-Talk"
>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> To: "Drew Hunthausen via Electronics-Talk"
>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: "Michael Russillo" <plrussillo at comcast.net>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2018 6:57 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] New Way to Use Uber and Lyft 
>>>> Without a Smartphone
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Ah, interesting. Good idea; I'm curious as to how one pays their 
>>>>> driver; I understand with the smartphone app the rider sets up 
>>>>> payment through PayPal or something so the Uber or Lyft driver can 
>>>>> be paid; I'm curious if this'll work with this service, and how 
>>>>> safe is it to give monetary info to Gogo if one goes through them 
>>>>> to register? Meanwhile i'll take a gander at the site; thanks for 
>>>>> that info; could be really helpful as I don't own any smartphone 
>>>>> and I'm not of the tapping school, but old-school physical buttons.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Peter
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/5/2018 9:45 PM, Drew Hunthausen via Electronics-Talk wrote:
>>>>>> So this service uses Uber and Lift drivers?
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Electronics-Talk <electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On 
>>>>>> Behalf Of cheez via Electronics-Talk
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2018 6:31 PM
>>>>>> To: Electronic Talks <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Cc: cheez <cheez at cox.net>
>>>>>> Subject: [Electronics-Talk] New Way to Use Uber and Lyft Without 
>>>>>> a Smartphone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> New Way to Use Uber and Lyft Without a Smartphone:
>>>>>> GoGo is an automated hotline that lets people use Uber and Lyft 
>>>>>> without needing a smartphone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Uber and Lyft are available nationally; when you use 
>>>>>> GoGoGrandparent, we'll send you whichever one is cheapest at the 
>>>>>> time that you make your request for a ride. Their prices are 
>>>>>> typically up to 40 percent less than the cost of a cab.
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Vince
>
>
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