[Electronics-Talk] Identifying dog users

Mary Donahue braille at satx.rr.com
Tue Apr 10 17:35:06 UTC 2018 

Good afternoon everyone,

	And the NFB settled a lawsuit with Uber and Lift due to their
drivers not being willing to obey the law. Those who are trying to undermine
the work of the federation and calling themselves members would do well to
get with the program and uphold the NFB's philosophy and stand on this issue
to insure that those using guide and other service dogs aren't denied
service by these outfits and the effectivness of the NFB's work is
perfected.

Peter and Mary Donahue who prefer an organization with a very tight
infrastructure and one that dosn't have members that undermine its work.


-----Original Message-----
From: Electronics-Talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Jordan Gallacher via Electronics-Talk
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 12:19 PM
To: 'Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances'
Cc: Jordan Gallacher
Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Identifying dog users

Had to do the same with Lyft, and also the cab company around here.  I am
goingto be testing the cab company soon I think, and see if they have
learned their lesson or if I have to put them in a corner again.
Jordan

-----Original Message-----
From: Electronics-Talk <electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of
Tracy Carcione via Electronics-Talk
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 12:02 PM
To: Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances
<electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
Subject: [Electronics-Talk] Identifying dog users

Ben, do you realize that you're saying a person can choose to ignore a law
because they don't like it?  Because it is the law that taxi drivers have to
transport me with my dog.  I filed a complaint with Uber against a driver
who refused to take me with my dog.  I got another driver in time to make my
appointment, but there have been cases where people could not get another
driver quickly, or were left stranded somewhere for a long time, waiting.
That's not right.  And what next?  Should drivers be able to say "I'm afraid
of young, black men, so I don't want to drive any of them."?  I don't think
so.

I keep my dog clean, under control, and on the floor.  That's my job, and
reasonable.  Expecting me to wait around for someone who likes dogs is not.
I will sometimes tell a driver I'm the blind person with the guide dog, so
the driver can find me, but I am not obligated to do so.
Tracy


> Hi Ron,
>
> I agree with your position. I tried to weigh in on this earlier, but 
> my response didn't post to the list somehow. I personally identify 
> that I do have a dog. There are some airlines that ask if you are 
> travelling with a service dog, and I always tell them I am.
>
> I also tell taxi companies that I am blind, and that I have a dog. If 
> the driver doesn't know that you are blind, they may be expecting you 
> to use vision to locate the vehicle. - Uber lets passengers know the 
> make of the car, but as I can't see the car, this information is not 
> helpful, so I let uber drivers know that I am blind and that I have a 
> dog. - There is an uber Ex option, that I will use to signify that 
> there is something extra about my ride.
>
> I like your point about other passengers having an allergy, especially 
> if people are using the car pool option. On a bus the person with an 
> allergy would be able to get farther away from the dog, and it would 
> be less of a problem than in a car.
>
> I got my dog in August, and I also noticed in the last few months how 
> many people are afraid of dogs. Once when getting on an elevator there 
> was a child about 8 or ten years old who was starting to freak out 
> because he was afraid of dogs, so I took the next elevator. On public 
> transit, I have noticed a number of people, some of them in their 
> twenties,or older having a strong reaction to my guide dog, even 
> though she is the most peaceful quiet dog one could ever imagine. Just 
> the site of the dog makes some people very nervous, and these people 
> need to be accommodated as well.
>
> I think that if we want to be granted accommodations then we should be 
> willing to consider the positions of other people. Everyone has a 
> right to a work environment that is free of harassment. If a driver 
> identifies as someone who does not want to transport a dog then the 
> company can exclude them from the pool of drivers chosen to transport 
> a passenger with a dog.
> Then if the ap had a place to indicate if you have a dog, the company 
> could match people with drivers that are fine with dogs.
>
> There was also some talk about drivers being able to give low ratings 
> to passengers, and some speculation as to how this could be used to 
> discriminate against dog users. Personally I have not had trouble 
> using uber, and I don't think I have negative reviews, but maybe this 
> is because of how respectful I have been in proactively communicating 
> my guide dog to drivers before they come to pick me up. I would be 
> interested if anyone had some evidence that guide dog users are being 
> given low ratings by drivers with uber.
>
> Also, my dog stays on the floor of the car, but I am wondering if 
> anyone is allowing their dog to go on the seat of the vehicle. I can 
> understand drivers being upset about the hair, and dirt that could 
> come off a dog's paws, if they are on the seat.
>
> When it comes to employment, I and many other blind people that I 
> know, have difficulty in obtaining employment. We don't want to be 
> discriminated against, but there are certain jobs we cannot do. I for 
> one cannot work for Uber as a driver, as much as I would like to, It 
> is just something I am not capable of. However, there are many other 
> things that I could do, but many employers don't want to hire me 
> because they focus on what I can't do, rather than working with what I 
> can do. Getting people fired because they don't want to transport a 
> dog, is just another form of discrimination. The person is quite able 
> to transport people without dogs, so the driver should have the chance 
> to transport people, and to retain his job. Getting fired because 
> there is one aspect of the job that you cannot do seems very unfair to 
> me. I was dismissed from a job for not being able to read the order 
> screen, even though I could do everything else and I was pretty good 
> at it,
> - rest assured I got a settlement from human rights over the wrongfull 
> dismissal, but that is quite off topic for this thread.
>
> This thread is for electronics, so I would like to focus the 
> conversation towards a system where dog users can self identify, and 
> be matched to drivers that will take dogs without a problem.
>
> Respectfully yours,
> Ben Fulton
>
>
> From: "Ronald Smith" <ronsmith131 at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances"
> 	<electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] New Way to Use Uber and Lyft Without a
> 	Smartphone
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> I disagree with Tracy's position and a few others below!
> I'm blind, but not a dog user.
>
> If a driver is indeed allergic to dogs, a blind person should have the 
> curtosy to inform Uber or Lyft that they have a dog guide.
> This may influence the size of vehicle if there are several people 
> traveling with or without dogs and especially if one selects a pool 
> trip.
> You could have a pool passenger who is allergic to dogs as well. Now, 
> I don't know how one would handle this sticky situation.
> But 99&44 100% people on Uber I'm sure don't ride with dogs. So why 
> penalize one driver who can pick up many more non dog users than dog 
> users?
> To me, having a dog guide is like adding a second passenger or PCA 
> equivalent, thus should be required to declare itwhen booking a trip 
> with above or even Access or train and air as well...
>
> Just my opinion.
> ronsmith131 at gmail.com
>
> From: "cheez" <cheez at cox.net>
> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2018 7:14 PM
>
> Long live the golden rule.
> Wow!
>
> Vince
>
> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2018 6:44 AM
>
> I do not say I have a service dog when I call for Uber.  If someone is 
> allergic, then they shouldn't be driving for the public.  Harsh?
> Maybe, but it's excuse #1, and most of the time it's just that, an 
> excuse not to do something.
> Tracy
>
> On Behalf Of Carol Feazell via Electronics-Talk
> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 6:05 PM
>
> As a point of curiosity and personally not a service dog user, do you 
> identify the fact that you have a dog when calling for a ride? I'm 
> thinking that what if a person was legitimately allergic to dogs. I 
> realize that this is not the reason most would not want them in their 
> cars. Understand, I do appreciate anyone getting a raw deal with a dog 
> and I personally am a doglover, just don't have a dog of any type 
> currently. Still think of the ones from the past, however. Oh well, so 
> much for that. Do take care and hope for good rides for all.
>
> Carol Jean
>
> From: Gerald Levy <bwaylimited at verizon.net>
> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 3:55 PM
>
> Well, if this driver admitted directly to you that he was allergic to 
> dogs, he wasn't very bright.  I suppose he could have given you a low 
> rating instead to protect himself, and then you would have had no way 
> of knowing why you were being denied service in the future.
>
> Gerald
>
> From: Mike via Electronics-Talk
> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 3:34 PM
>
> I just got a lyft driver permanently removed because he said he was 
> allergic to dogs. It was very easy & all done with in 1 hour. They 
> even gave me back the money I payed another driver to go home & gave 
> me a $5 credit. You can call Lyft at 503-503-1748.
> Mike
>
> From: Andy Baracco  <wq6r at socal.rr.com>
> Sent: Friday, April 6, 2018 2:39 PM
>
> What you say can be true, but it also can be true for taxi and even 
> paratransit drivers.  Uber and lyft do have policies in place 
> regarding service animals, but that doesn't garantee that there won't 
> be
issues.
> This is why it is important to be familiar with local, state, and 
> Federal antidiscrimination laws, especially those that pertain to 
> people with disabilities and service animals.
>
> Andy
>
> From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited at verizon.net>
> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 3:37 AM
>
> Keep in mind that Uber and Lift may not be available in all areas.  In 
> general, if you live in a large city and your neighborhood is not well 
> served by yellow taxi cabs, it is not likely to be served by these 
> ride-sharing services, either.  That's because Uber and Lift drivers 
> tend to concentrate where the cabs are, because that's where the 
> business is.
> Taxi cabs tend to serve rich neighborhoods and avoid poor neighborhoods.
> The same is true of Uber and Lift.  Another dirty little secret about 
> these services that many consumers are not aware of is that drivers 
> actually rate passengers, so that passengers that consistently receive 
> negative ratings from drivers bmay not be able to book rides in the 
> future.  So a blind passenger who travels with a guide dog may 
> constantly receive negative ratings from drivers who dislike dogs 
> riding in their vehicles.  To me, this is a blatant violation of 
> privacy rights.
>
> Gerald
>
> From: Andy Baracco via Electronics-Talk
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2018 10:25 PM I believe that you set up 
>>>> payment info when you sign up for Go Go. It is done with a credit 
>>>> card, as Uber and Lyft drivers do not accept cash, even though I 
>>>> believe that you can tip an Uber driver with cash.
>>>>
>>>> Andy
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Michael Russillo via Electronics-Talk"
>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> To: "Drew Hunthausen via Electronics-Talk"
>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: "Michael Russillo" <plrussillo at comcast.net>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2018 6:57 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] New Way to Use Uber and Lyft 
>>>> Without a Smartphone
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Ah, interesting. Good idea; I'm curious as to how one pays their 
>>>>> driver; I understand with the smartphone app the rider sets up 
>>>>> payment through PayPal or something so the Uber or Lyft driver can 
>>>>> be paid; I'm curious if this'll work with this service, and how 
>>>>> safe is it to give monetary info to Gogo if one goes through them 
>>>>> to register? Meanwhile i'll take a gander at the site; thanks for 
>>>>> that info; could be really helpful as I don't own any smartphone 
>>>>> and I'm not of the tapping school, but old-school physical buttons.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Peter
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/5/2018 9:45 PM, Drew Hunthausen via Electronics-Talk wrote:
>>>>>> So this service uses Uber and Lift drivers?
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> The No Excuses Blind Guy
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Electronics-Talk <electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On 
>>>>>> Behalf Of cheez via Electronics-Talk
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2018 6:31 PM
>>>>>> To: Electronic Talks <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Cc: cheez <cheez at cox.net>
>>>>>> Subject: [Electronics-Talk] New Way to Use Uber and Lyft Without 
>>>>>> a Smartphone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> New Way to Use Uber and Lyft Without a Smartphone:
>>>>>> GoGo is an automated hotline that lets people use Uber and Lyft 
>>>>>> without needing a smartphone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Uber and Lyft are available nationally; when you use 
>>>>>> GoGoGrandparent, we'll send you whichever one is cheapest at the 
>>>>>> time that you make your request for a ride. Their prices are 
>>>>>> typically up to 40 percent less than the cost of a cab.
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Vince
>
>
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