[Electronics-Talk] Identifying dog users

Tue Apr 10 18:27:55 UTC 2018

glad you said you keep your guide dog clean.

there are some guide dog owners that do not take the care to keep their 
dog clean... (the smeal- and the car will smell like dog for weeks).

On 4/10/2018 10:02 AM, Tracy Carcione via Electronics-Talk wrote:
> Ben, do you realize that you're saying a person can choose to ignore a law
> because they don't like it?  Because it is the law that taxi drivers have
> to transport me with my dog.  I filed a complaint with Uber against a
> driver who refused to take me with my dog.  I got another driver in time
> to make my appointment, but there have been cases where people could not
> get another driver quickly, or were left stranded somewhere for a long
> time, waiting.  That's not right.  And what next?  Should drivers be able
> to say "I'm afraid of young, black men, so I don't want to drive any of
> them."?  I don't think so.
>
> I keep my dog clean, under control, and on the floor.  That's my job, and
> reasonable.  Expecting me to wait around for someone who likes dogs is
> not.
> I will sometimes tell a driver I'm the blind person with the guide dog, so
> the driver can find me, but I am not obligated to do so.
> Tracy
>
>
>> Hi Ron,
>>
>> I agree with your position. I tried to weigh in on this earlier, but my
>> response didn't post to the list somehow. I personally identify that I do
>> have a dog. There are some airlines that ask if you are travelling with a
>> service dog, and I always tell them I am.
>>
>> I also tell taxi companies that I am blind, and that I have a dog. If the
>> driver doesn't know that you are blind, they may be expecting you to use
>> vision to locate the vehicle. - Uber lets passengers know the make of the
>> car, but as I can't see the car, this information is not helpful, so I let
>> uber drivers know that I am blind and that I have a dog. - There is an
>> uber
>> Ex option, that I will use to signify that there is something extra about
>> my
>> ride.
>>
>> I like your point about other passengers having an allergy, especially if
>> people are using the car pool option. On a bus the person with an allergy
>> would be able to get farther away from the dog, and it would be less of a
>> problem than in a car.
>>
>> I got my dog in August, and I also noticed in the last few months how many
>> people are afraid of dogs. Once when getting on an elevator there was a
>> child about 8 or ten years old who was starting to freak out because he
>> was
>> afraid of dogs, so I took the next elevator. On public transit, I have
>> noticed a number of people, some of them in their twenties,or older
>> having
>> a strong reaction to my guide dog, even though she is the most peaceful
>> quiet dog one could ever imagine. Just the site of the dog makes some
>> people
>> very nervous, and these people need to be accommodated as well.
>>
>> I think that if we want to be granted accommodations then we should be
>> willing to consider the positions of other people. Everyone has a right to
>> a
>> work environment that is free of harassment. If a driver identifies as
>> someone who does not want to transport a dog then the company can exclude
>> them from the pool of drivers chosen to transport a passenger with a dog.
>> Then if the ap had a place to indicate if you have a dog, the company
>> could
>> match people with drivers that are fine with dogs.
>>
>> There was also some talk about drivers being able to give low ratings to
>> passengers, and some speculation as to how this could be used to
>> discriminate against dog users. Personally I have not had trouble using
>> uber, and I don't think I have negative reviews, but maybe this is because
>> of how respectful I have been in proactively communicating my guide dog to
>> drivers before they come to pick me up. I would be interested if anyone
>> had
>> some evidence that guide dog users are being given low ratings by drivers
>> with uber.
>>
>> Also, my dog stays on the floor of the car, but I am wondering if anyone
>> is
>> allowing their dog to go on the seat of the vehicle. I can understand
>> drivers being upset about the hair, and dirt that could come off a dog's
>> paws, if they are on the seat.
>>
>> When it comes to employment, I and many other blind people that I know,
>> have
>> difficulty in obtaining employment. We don't want to be discriminated
>> against, but there are certain jobs we cannot do. I for one cannot work
>> for
>> Uber as a driver, as much as I would like to, It is just something I am
>> not
>> capable of. However, there are many other things that I could do, but many
>> employers don't want to hire me because they focus on what I can't do,
>> rather than working with what I can do. Getting people fired because they
>> don't want to transport a dog, is just another form of discrimination. The
>> person is quite able to transport people without dogs, so the driver
>> should
>> have the chance to transport people, and to retain his job. Getting fired
>> because there is one aspect of the job that you cannot do seems very
>> unfair
>> to me. I was dismissed from a job for not being able to read the order
>> screen, even though I could do everything else and I was pretty good at
>> it,
>> - rest assured I got a settlement from human rights over the wrongfull
>> dismissal, but that is quite off topic for this thread.
>>
>> This thread is for electronics, so I would like to focus the conversation
>> towards a system where dog users can self identify, and be matched to
>> drivers that will take dogs without a problem.
>>
>> Respectfully yours,
>> Ben Fulton
>>
>>
>> From: "Ronald Smith" <ronsmith131 at gmail.com>
>> To: "Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances"
>> 	<electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] New Way to Use Uber and Lyft Without a
>> 	Smartphone
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>> I disagree with Tracy's position and a few others below!
>> I'm blind, but not a dog user.
>>
>> If a driver is indeed allergic to dogs, a blind person should have the
>> curtosy to inform Uber or Lyft that they have a dog guide.
>> This may influence the size of vehicle if there are several people
>> traveling
>> with or without dogs and especially if one selects a pool trip.
>> You could have a pool passenger who is allergic to dogs as well. Now, I
>> don't know how one would handle this sticky situation.
>> But 99&44 100% people on Uber I'm sure don't ride with dogs. So why
>> penalize
>> one driver who can pick up many more non dog users than dog users?
>> To me, having a dog guide is like adding a second passenger or PCA
>> equivalent, thus should be required to declare itwhen booking a trip with
>> above or even Access or train and air as well...
>>
>> Just my opinion.
>> ronsmith131 at gmail.com
>>
>> From: "cheez" <cheez at cox.net>
>> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2018 7:14 PM
>>
>> Long live the golden rule.
>> Wow!
>>
>> Vince
>>
>> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2018 6:44 AM
>>
>> I do not say I have a service dog when I call for Uber.  If someone is
>> allergic, then they shouldn't be driving for the public.  Harsh?  Maybe,
>> but
>> it's excuse #1, and most of the time it's just that, an excuse not to do
>> something.
>> Tracy
>>
>> On Behalf Of Carol Feazell via Electronics-Talk
>> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 6:05 PM
>>
>> As a point of curiosity and personally not a service dog user, do you
>> identify the fact that you have a dog when calling for a ride? I'm
>> thinking
>> that what if a person was legitimately allergic to dogs. I realize that
>> this
>> is not the reason most would not want them in their cars. Understand, I do
>> appreciate anyone getting a raw deal with a dog and I personally am a
>> doglover, just don't have a dog of any type currently. Still think of the
>> ones from the past, however. Oh well, so much for that. Do take care and
>> hope for good rides for all.
>>
>> Carol Jean
>>
>> From: Gerald Levy <bwaylimited at verizon.net>
>> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 3:55 PM
>>
>> Well, if this driver admitted directly to you that he was allergic to
>> dogs,
>> he wasn't very bright.  I suppose he could have given you a low rating
>> instead to protect himself, and then you would have had no way of knowing
>> why you were being denied service in the future.
>>
>> Gerald
>>
>> From: Mike via Electronics-Talk
>> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 3:34 PM
>>
>> I just got a lyft driver permanently removed because he said he was
>> allergic
>> to dogs. It was very easy & all done with in 1 hour. They even gave me
>> back
>> the money I payed another driver to go home & gave me a $5 credit. You can
>> call Lyft at 503-503-1748.
>> Mike
>>
>> From: Andy Baracco  <wq6r at socal.rr.com>
>> Sent: Friday, April 6, 2018 2:39 PM
>>
>> What you say can be true, but it also can be true for taxi and even
>> paratransit drivers.  Uber and lyft do have policies in place regarding
>> service animals, but that doesn't garantee that there won't be issues.
>> This is why it is important to be familiar with local, state, and Federal
>> antidiscrimination laws, especially those that pertain to people with
>> disabilities and service animals.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>> From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited at verizon.net>
>> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 3:37 AM
>>
>> Keep in mind that Uber and Lift may not be available in all areas.  In
>> general, if you live in a large city and your neighborhood is not well
>> served by yellow taxi cabs, it is not likely to be served by these
>> ride-sharing services, either.  That's because Uber and Lift drivers tend
>> to
>> concentrate where the cabs are, because that's where the business is.
>> Taxi cabs tend to serve rich neighborhoods and avoid poor neighborhoods.
>> The same is true of Uber and Lift.  Another dirty little secret about
>> these
>> services that many consumers are not aware of is that drivers actually
>> rate
>> passengers, so that passengers that consistently receive negative ratings
>> from drivers bmay not be able to book rides in the future.  So a blind
>> passenger who travels with a guide dog may constantly receive negative
>> ratings from drivers who dislike dogs riding in their vehicles.  To me,
>> this
>> is a blatant violation of privacy rights.
>>
>> Gerald
>>
>> From: Andy Baracco via Electronics-Talk
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2018 10:25 PM I believe that you set up
>>>>> payment info when you sign up for Go Go. It is done with a credit
>>>>> card, as Uber and Lyft drivers do not accept cash, even though I
>>>>> believe that you can tip an Uber driver with cash.
>>>>>
>>>>> Andy
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Michael Russillo via Electronics-Talk"
>>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> To: "Drew Hunthausen via Electronics-Talk"
>>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Cc: "Michael Russillo" <plrussillo at comcast.net>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2018 6:57 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] New Way to Use Uber and Lyft Without
>>>>> a Smartphone
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ah, interesting. Good idea; I'm curious as to how one pays their
>>>>>> driver; I understand with the smartphone app the rider sets up
>>>>>> payment through PayPal or something so the Uber or Lyft driver can
>>>>>> be paid; I'm curious if this'll work with this service, and how
>>>>>> safe is it to give monetary info to Gogo if one goes through them
>>>>>> to register? Meanwhile i'll take a gander at the site; thanks for
>>>>>> that info; could be really helpful as I don't own any smartphone
>>>>>> and I'm not of the tapping school, but old-school physical buttons.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/5/2018 9:45 PM, Drew Hunthausen via Electronics-Talk wrote:
>>>>>>> So this service uses Uber and Lift drivers?
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Electronics-Talk <electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On
>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>> Of
>>>>>>> cheez via Electronics-Talk
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2018 6:31 PM
>>>>>>> To: Electronic Talks <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Cc: cheez <cheez at cox.net>
>>>>>>> Subject: [Electronics-Talk] New Way to Use Uber and Lyft Without a
>>>>>>> Smartphone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> New Way to Use Uber and Lyft Without a Smartphone:
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    Vince
>>
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