[Electronics-Talk] phone service through router

Fri Dec 21 15:52:23 UTC 2018

Sorry if this gets over the head of those on this list!

asterisk, yes is a VoIP PBX system ran on a Linux box.

a Cable or other Internet Router that has a Analog or POTS (Plain old Telephone Service) Jack or a RJ11 on it is a VoIP MTA device.  For those who know VoIP systems and VoIP PBX systems consider these boxes a ATA (Analog Terminal Adapter)

ATA's on ANY VoIP system is basically taking the VoIP Data over the network and recoding it into a analog signal, problem is the ringer on analog phones is done by a high voltage spike on the line.  Really good ATAs like the Cisco ones can be configured for how much voltage to send out for the ringer as well as how it should be pulsed for distinctive ring!

Problem with the Cable MTA devices is that they're locked down by the internet provider and you can't change the ringer voltage! so, if your having ringer problems go to a newer phone that requires less voltage to ring. cordless phones work great!

Same thing for fax machines, a lot of people think these Cable MTAs do not support fax machines and that's 100% incorrect!  The VoIP protocol that's used must be changed to a uncompressed protocol.  Some people have had success getting a competent Comcast phone rep to change the protocol to the fax capable protocol. (Sorry can't remember what it is right now!) for those who can't they have to resort to lowering the fax machines baud rate!

Thanks,

David Eugene Waybright
CompTIA A+, NET+, & Security+ Technician

IT Operations & Secure Infrastructure Specialist
CyberCore Technologies

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: phone service through router (Christopher Gilland)
   2. Accessible TV's (Tracy Carcione)
   3. Re: phone service through router (Andrews, David B (DEED))
   4. New cable box (Tracy Carcione)
   5. BrailleNote Touch Music Question (Nicole Torcolini)

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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2018 11:01:22 -0500
From: Christopher Gilland <clgilland07 at gmail.com>
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So, given that I used to run my own PBX asterisk system which was voice
over IP, and also may I add administrated/configured it from absolutely
ground 0, I'm curious why having an electronic ringer vs. having a
physical bell would matter? I just don't see how that's logical. I'm not
arguing what's being said. I'm just trying to better educate myself and
better understand you all's reason of thinking here.

Chris.

On 12/19/2018 09:47 AM, Tracy Carcione via Electronics-Talk wrote:
> I'm pretty sure my regular landline phone has an electronic ringer.  It's
> connected to the cable modem, and rings fine.
> I do remember some trouble with the phone and router where the router added
> a loud noise to the phone signal.  I had to buy some kind of damper to stop
> it.  But, eventually, we were able to get rid of most of the dampers.
> Tracy
>
>
>
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> From: Electronics-Talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Jude DaShiell via Electronics-Talk
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> To: David Waybright via Electronics-Talk
> Cc: Jude DaShiell; David Waybright
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] phone service through router
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> Hi David, thanks for this information.  If I'm not much mistaken the
> modern cordless phones use electronic ringers.  The old phone that was
> connected had a physical bell in it.  I'm living in a house so probably
> will get me a cordless phone system with a base station to attach to the
> router if that will even work.
>
> On Wed, 19 Dec 2018, David Waybright via Electronics-Talk wrote:
>
>> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2018 07:24:04
>> From: David Waybright via Electronics-Talk <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> To: "electronics-talk at nfbnet.org" <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: David Waybright <link at pt-solutions.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] phone service through router
>>
>> The phone port on the routers or cable modems are NOT RJ45 they are RJ11.
>>
>>
>> As for ringing, NO phone with a physical bell will work with a VoIP
> system, router, or cable modem.  you need a phone that has a electronically
> produced ringer for it to work.
>>
>> Another suggestion is to call the phone and when you expect it should be
> ringing, pick it up to see if a call went thru. if not you might have a
> problem other then the ringer not working!
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>> David Eugene Waybright
>> CompTIA A+, NET+, & Security+ Technician
>>
>> IT Operations & Secure Infrastructure Specialist
>> CyberCore Technologies
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>> The router I have has an RJ45 port on the back to plug in phone equipment.
>> I had tried using an old phone and by old the phone was made back in the
>> 1960's.  Though that was able to call out, it couldn't ring when an
>> incoming phone call tried to connect.  Probably since the routers do not
>> put out 25 volts which is what verizon puts out on their traditional
>> copper wire connected to landline phones that connect into the wall.
>> I'm curious do phones or phone systems exist that will ring with lower
>> voltages sent through RJ45 ports on routers?
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2018 11:12:17 -0500
From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
To: "'Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances'"
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Subject: [Electronics-Talk] Accessible TV's
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There are 2 reviews of accessible TV's in the latest AccessWorld.  I shall
now attempt to paste in the links.  If I fail, as always, Google can be your
friend.

Access to Multimedia Streaming Devices, Part 2: A Review of the NVIDIA
Shield TV, by J.J. Meddaugh
<https://afb.us11.list-manage.com/track/click?u=bd3c8fefc9f905f5ccf41c577&id
=f98c3400ba&e=502a51ad37>

The Insignia Smart TV, Fire TV Edition: an Exploration and Review, by Aaron
Preece
<https://afb.us11.list-manage.com/track/click?u=bd3c8fefc9f905f5ccf41c577&id
=72005d7285&e=502a51ad37>

Tracy

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I suspect people are confusing and/or mixing voice over IP phones and analog phones.

Dave

David Andrews | Chief Technology Officer
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Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] phone service through router

So, given that I used to run my own PBX asterisk system which was voice over IP, and also may I add administrated/configured it from absolutely ground 0, I'm curious why having an electronic ringer vs. having a physical bell would matter? I just don't see how that's logical. I'm not arguing what's being said. I'm just trying to better educate myself and better understand you all's reason of thinking here.

Chris.

On 12/19/2018 09:47 AM, Tracy Carcione via Electronics-Talk wrote:
> I'm pretty sure my regular landline phone has an electronic ringer.
> It's connected to the cable modem, and rings fine.
> I do remember some trouble with the phone and router where the router
> added a loud noise to the phone signal.  I had to buy some kind of
> damper to stop it.  But, eventually, we were able to get rid of most of the dampers.
> Tracy
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Electronics-Talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Jude DaShiell via Electronics-Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 9:25 AM
> To: David Waybright via Electronics-Talk
> Cc: Jude DaShiell; David Waybright
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] phone service through router
>
> Hi David, thanks for this information.  If I'm not much mistaken the
> modern cordless phones use electronic ringers.  The old phone that was
> connected had a physical bell in it.  I'm living in a house so
> probably will get me a cordless phone system with a base station to
> attach to the router if that will even work.
>
> On Wed, 19 Dec 2018, David Waybright via Electronics-Talk wrote:
>
>> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2018 07:24:04
>> From: David Waybright via Electronics-Talk
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> To: "electronics-talk at nfbnet.org" <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: David Waybright <link at pt-solutions.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] phone service through router
>>
>> The phone port on the routers or cable modems are NOT RJ45 they are RJ11.
>>
>>
>> As for ringing, NO phone with a physical bell will work with a VoIP
> system, router, or cable modem.  you need a phone that has a
> electronically produced ringer for it to work.
>>
>> Another suggestion is to call the phone and when you expect it should
>> be
> ringing, pick it up to see if a call went thru. if not you might have
> a problem other then the ringer not working!
>>
>> Thanks,

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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2018 13:06:45 -0500
From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
To: "'Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances'"
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Subject: [Electronics-Talk] New cable box
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The cable provider just called.  They're going to replace the very klugey
accessibility system they gave us last year with a new Altees cable box,
which is supposed to talk.  This should be much better.

I know people were talking about it recently.  Is it easy to use?

If anyone knows how to spell it, let me know, and then I could Google it or
something.

Hopefully at last we'll have an accessible TV solution that actually works.

Tracy

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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2018 19:54:48 -0800
From: "Nicole Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
To: <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [Electronics-Talk] BrailleNote Touch Music Question
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            I know that this may be slightly off topic, but I am not sure
where else to ask it. Does anyone know of an app for the BrailleNote Touch
that will play multiple music files on an SD card or USB thumb drive either
by selecting them and playing all of them or by opening a playlist file? The
BrailleNote Apex used to support m3u files, but it seems that HumanWare did
away with the music player in KeySoft. I am not interested in learning how
to export my iTunes playlists or create a playlist in one of those apps
where you have to download your music from the cloud, so please only reply
if you have an answer to my question.

Thanks,

Nicole

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