[Electronics-Talk] Warning about using Aira!

David Diamond Daviddiamond2019 at outlook.com
Wed Jan 8 16:44:47 UTC 2020 

Just remember, there are no bad dogs, just bad trainers.  LOL.   Yes, I've worked with some trainers that I have no idea how they ever got to be dog trainers it certainly was not by their training skills.  To keep this tech related I remember the topic of robotic guide dogs came up.  No thanks.  I want some personality in my dog.  Not some robotic dog with no emotion or does everything perfect.  As someone mentioned perhaps flippantly, what happens if the batteries on your robotic guide dog run down right in the middle of crossing a busy intersection?  

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From: Electronics-Talk <electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Jenny Perdue via Electronics-Talk
Sent: January 7, 2020 1:56 PM
To: Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Jenny Perdue <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Warning about using Aira!

Wow, that’s what I liked about having a guy dog. You didn’t veer

With my health and other issues. I just can’t do it again. Not to mention I had the two most disastrous guide dogs ever :-)

Jenny

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:33 AM, David Diamond via Electronics-Talk <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> It was an adventure to say the least and one person not on this list did think I was nuts.  But, you have to do what you have to do and as mentioned, I was helping a fellow student.  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Electronics-Talk <electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf 
> Of Pamela Dominguez via Electronics-Talk
> Sent: January 7, 2020 7:23 AM
> To: Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances 
> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Pamela Dominguez <pammygirl99 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Warning about using Aira!
> 
> I've never crossed a street that has that many lanes!  Pam.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jenny Perdue via Electronics-Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2020 4:18 AM
> To: Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances
> Cc: Jenny Perdue
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Warning about using Aira!
> 
> Wow, you are much braver than me :-) maybe when I was younger and had a little bit more site. Now, no way.
> 
> That is totally awesome that you can do that. I just like the fact that they can tell you if you are veering. That’s worth the money right there.
> 
> Jenny
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 6, 2020, at 6:44 PM, David Diamond via Electronics-Talk 
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I have crossed a street in Flushing New York.  It was I would guess 
>> a
>> 16 lane crossing.  All I know was it was close to the JFK airport.  
>> There is no way I would trust someone using my iPhone camera to guide 
>> me across the street.
>> 
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>> From: Electronics-Talk <electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> on 
>> behalf of Mike via Electronics-Talk <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 1:50:34 AM
>> To: 'Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances' 
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Mike <m6795556 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Warning about using Aira!
>> 
>> As a totally blind person I have crossed thousands of streets in many 
>> city's! And my opinion is no blind person can  know 100% of the time 
>> when is the right time to leave right at the beginning of a walk cycle!
>> Sometimes there is to many things going on in an intersection. My 
>> favorite is a driver running a red light making me think I now have 
>> the walk signal! A Aira agent is not supposed to guess if he can see 
>> that walk signal, mine did. That is what I wanted everyone to know.
>> Mike
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Electronics-Talk <electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On 
>> Behalf Of Lori Motis via Electronics-Talk
>> Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2020 10:19 AM
>> To: Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances 
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Lori Motis <ljm2561 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Warning about using Aira!
>> 
>> yes, I agree whole heartedly. I also know that when I signed up for 
>> their services I had to agree that I would not use them or count on 
>> them for any mobility skills especially crossing the street. We 
>> should only use other services to assist us with vision but it is up 
>> to us to know when it is safe to cross a street or not.
>> Lori
>> 
>>> On Jan 4, 2020, at 4:53 PM, Jenny Perdue via Electronics-Talk 
>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Aira is not a substitute for your own mobility skills. It was never 
>>> meant to be that.
>>> 
>>> If you have issues crossing the street, anyone, including me. It is 
>>> not Iris responsibility to make sure your mobility skills are right.
>>> If you’re not coming trouble crossing the street, don’t. Aira or not.
>>> 
>>> Jenny
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>>>> On Dec 21, 2019, at 10:45 PM, David Andrews via Electronics-Talk 
>>>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Personally I don't think you should be using Aira this way. 
>>>>>> Initially they wouldn't do that kind of thing, I guess they have 
>>>>>> changed -- and I think it is dangerous. They have no control over 
>>>>>> where you are looking,so it would be easy to miss something, nor 
>>>>>> not be able to see it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> At 06:25 AM 12/21/2019, you wrote:
>>>>>> Warning about using Aira & street crossing!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have been using Aira for over 1 year now. Sometimes an Aira 
>>>>>> agent can see the walk signal & sometimes not. When they cannot 
>>>>>> the agent tells me & then I point the camera at the traffic 
>>>>>> signal & not the walk signal. This was working!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Not this time. The Aira agent said I had the walk signal. I heard 
>>>>>> no moving traffic. So, I put 1 foot out in the street & wiz a car 
>>>>>> went across my path
>>>>>> 2 lanes away. I pulled my foot back & to more cars went right 
>>>>>> where my foot was!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Obviously that Aira agent could not see the walk signal. Bad 
>>>>>> information is worse than no information.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yes, I did report that to Aira. Because I could have died, I just 
>>>>>> wanted you to know for your safety. Sometimes I cannot tell if I 
>>>>>> have the walk signal because of noises or a lack of traffic flow.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Mike
>>>> 
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