[Electronics-Talk] Warning about using Aira!

Tue Jan 7 21:56:26 UTC 2020

Wow, that’s what I liked about having a guy dog. You didn’t veer

With my health and other issues. I just can’t do it again. Not to mention I had the two most disastrous guide dogs ever :-)

Jenny

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:33 AM, David Diamond via Electronics-Talk <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> It was an adventure to say the least and one person not on this list did think I was nuts.  But, you have to do what you have to do and as mentioned, I was helping a fellow student.  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Electronics-Talk <electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Electronics-Talk
> Sent: January 7, 2020 7:23 AM
> To: Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Pamela Dominguez <pammygirl99 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Warning about using Aira!
> 
> I've never crossed a street that has that many lanes!  Pam.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jenny Perdue via Electronics-Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2020 4:18 AM
> To: Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances
> Cc: Jenny Perdue
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Warning about using Aira!
> 
> Wow, you are much braver than me :-) maybe when I was younger and had a little bit more site. Now, no way.
> 
> That is totally awesome that you can do that. I just like the fact that they can tell you if you are veering. That’s worth the money right there.
> 
> Jenny
> 
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>> On Jan 6, 2020, at 6:44 PM, David Diamond via Electronics-Talk 
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I have crossed a street in Flushing New York.  It was I would guess a 
>> 16 lane crossing.  All I know was it was close to the JFK airport.  
>> There is no way I would trust someone using my iPhone camera to guide 
>> me across the street.
>> 
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>> From: Electronics-Talk <electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> on behalf 
>> of Mike via Electronics-Talk <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 1:50:34 AM
>> To: 'Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances' 
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Mike <m6795556 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Warning about using Aira!
>> 
>> As a totally blind person I have crossed thousands of streets in many 
>> city's! And my opinion is no blind person can  know 100% of the time 
>> when is the right time to leave right at the beginning of a walk cycle!
>> Sometimes there is to many things going on in an intersection. My 
>> favorite is a driver running a red light making me think I now have 
>> the walk signal! A Aira agent is not supposed to guess if he can see 
>> that walk signal, mine did. That is what I wanted everyone to know.
>> Mike
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Electronics-Talk <electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf 
>> Of Lori Motis via Electronics-Talk
>> Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2020 10:19 AM
>> To: Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances 
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Lori Motis <ljm2561 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Warning about using Aira!
>> 
>> yes, I agree whole heartedly. I also know that when I signed up for 
>> their services I had to agree that I would not use them or count on 
>> them for any mobility skills especially crossing the street. We should 
>> only use other services to assist us with vision but it is up to us to 
>> know when it is safe to cross a street or not.
>> Lori
>> 
>>> On Jan 4, 2020, at 4:53 PM, Jenny Perdue via Electronics-Talk 
>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Aira is not a substitute for your own mobility skills. It was never 
>>> meant to be that.
>>> 
>>> If you have issues crossing the street, anyone, including me. It is 
>>> not Iris responsibility to make sure your mobility skills are right. 
>>> If you’re not coming trouble crossing the street, don’t. Aira or not.
>>> 
>>> Jenny
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>>>> On Dec 21, 2019, at 10:45 PM, David Andrews via Electronics-Talk 
>>>>>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Personally I don't think you should be using Aira this way. 
>>>>>> Initially they wouldn't do that kind of thing, I guess they have 
>>>>>> changed -- and I think it is dangerous. They have no control over 
>>>>>> where you are looking,so it would be easy to miss something, nor 
>>>>>> not be able to see it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> At 06:25 AM 12/21/2019, you wrote:
>>>>>> Warning about using Aira & street crossing!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have been using Aira for over 1 year now. Sometimes an Aira 
>>>>>> agent can see the walk signal & sometimes not. When they cannot 
>>>>>> the agent tells me & then I point the camera at the traffic signal 
>>>>>> & not the walk signal. This was working!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Not this time. The Aira agent said I had the walk signal. I heard 
>>>>>> no moving traffic. So, I put 1 foot out in the street & wiz a car 
>>>>>> went across my path
>>>>>> 2 lanes away. I pulled my foot back & to more cars went right 
>>>>>> where my foot was!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Obviously that Aira agent could not see the walk signal. Bad 
>>>>>> information is worse than no information.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yes, I did report that to Aira. Because I could have died, I just 
>>>>>> wanted you to know for your safety. Sometimes I cannot tell if I 
>>>>>> have the walk signal because of noises or a lack of traffic flow.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Mike
>>>> 
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