[Electronics-Talk] free 411

Sat Jan 9 23:38:52 UTC 2021

Many times with free 411 after it tells you to say what you need whether 
it's a business, residence or goverment listing, it will go silent 
especially lately. When this happens and it goes silent if you wait long 
enought the voice will say something nonsensible, like it found your number 
but it wasn't listed because tere's no listing, it says something as silly 
as that. I didn't keep track of the time to when the voice finally says 
that.. and since you've described what happened with regular directory long 
distance I could understand why I've had unsatisfactory experiences calling 
the 411 on the phone through the years. I can't remember the last time I 
ever called 411, it's been that long that I can't remember. So when I need a 
number I just search the place on the internet, and many times I do find the 
up to date phone number for businesses. I have had a few times finding 
nothing but old phone numbers. Speaking of doctors, we were trying to look 
up a number for a doctor that one of us use to go to. We want to look up his 
number since we heard that he had passed away in hopes we could find out 
more information. As it turns out when I searched his name we got a mixture 
of results with his name, from the sites that having listings about doctors 
and tell about them and there was a few results from his obituary. So on the 
doctors sites he was listed as if he was still alive. Of course that 
information should be taken down. Possibly we should have written to these 
sites to let them know he had passed away.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gerald Levy via Electronics-Talk" <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
To: "Steve Jacobson via Electronics-Talk" <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
Cc: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited at verizon.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] free 411


>
> I tried 800-FREE-411 myself, but after a 30 second commercial, you are 
> prompted to say which type of listing you are requesting, business, 
> government or residential. But after you speak one of these three choices, 
> there is nothing but silence, which means that for all intents and 
> purposes, this service is dead. I also tried traditional 411 on my Verizon 
> land line phone to find the number of a friend who had switched from 
> Verizon to Spectrum VOIP land line service, and sure enough, they had no 
> listing. Most infuriating of all is that when you dial 411, you are 
> greeted by automated prompts, not a helpful and courteous human operator 
> like in the good old days.
>
>
> Gerald
>
>
>
> On 1/9/2021 10:55 AM, Steve Jacobson via Electronics-Talk wrote:
>> I suspect that the exemption for blind people will gradually disappear as 
>> well.  The main reason we got an exemption on directory assistance 
>> services originally is because we did not have access to the information 
>> that others got free of charge through the printed phone directories made 
>> available by telephone companies.  Since such books are becoming less and 
>> less common, and when they do appear they are often produced by somebody 
>> other than the phone company, it is harder to say we don't get access to 
>> that information.  As has already been stated, to some degree, nobody 
>> really has access to the information any more.  <smile>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Steve Jacobson
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Electronics-Talk <electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of 
>> cheez via Electronics-Talk
>> Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2021 7:13 AM
>> To: 'Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances' 
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: cheez at cox.net
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] free 411
>>
>> Thanks for the confirmation.  Nice to know that's still offered.
>>
>> Vince
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Electronics-Talk <electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of 
>> Gerald Levy via Electronics-Talk
>> Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2021 6:03 AM
>> To: cheez via Electronics-Talk <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Gerald Levy <bwaylimited at verizon.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] free 411
>>
>>
>> Yes, Verizon still offers free directory assistance to blind customers. 
>> But as I mentioned previously, it has become almost totally useless, 
>> because thanks to deregulation and the proliferation of independent phone 
>> companies, Verizon is no longer an absolute monopoly, and therefore, the 
>> chances that they will still have a phone number listed for the party you 
>> want to contact are probably slim to none, unless that party is still a 
>> Verizon customer.
>>
>>
>> Gerald
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1/9/2021 7:33 AM, cheez via Electronics-Talk wrote:
>>> I haven't checked in some time, but Verizon used to have an exemption 
>>> for Information when it came to blind customers.  Or, at the least, such 
>>> customers were granted, [I think] 100 free calls per month.
>>> Nonetheless, you would have to go to a brick and mortar in order to sign 
>>> up for the free service.
>>> But I'll check to verify this when Verizon opens later today and will 
>>> report my findings.
>>>
>>> Vince
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Electronics-Talk <electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf
>>> Of Gerald Levy via Electronics-Talk
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2021 5:10 AM
>>> To: Rob Kaiser via Electronics-Talk <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Gerald Levy <bwaylimited at verizon.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] free 411
>>>
>>>
>>> Here's the problem with directory assistance services, whether it's
>>> 800-FREE-411 or the traditional 411.   In the good old days, when big 
>>> bad Ma Bell, aaka the American Telephone and Telegraph Company, actually 
>>> a collection of separate wholly-owned regional operating companies under 
>>> the so-called Bell unbrella, was the only provider of phone service,all 
>>> companies and individuals were listed in their database, so when you 
>>> dialed 411, an operator could look up the number for you, and there was 
>>> a better than 90% chance that she could find it.  For instance, before 
>>> 1982, when Ma Bell was broken up into 7 separate, independent regional 
>>> Bell operating companies, New York Telephone was a wholly owned 
>>> subsidaiary of AT&T, so if you dialed 411 in New York City, you could 
>>> get the phone number for a company located in Los Angeles, because the 
>>> phone company there, Pacific Bell, was also a wholly owned subsidiary of 
>>> AT&T.  But today, thanks to deregulation, there is no single phone 
>>> company or service provider that maintains a centralized list of all 
>>> phone numbers for every company and individual in the US, so 411 and 
>>> free 411 services have become essentially useless.  So if your land-line 
>>> or cell phone carrier is Verizon, which became the successor to New York 
>>> Telephone through a series of mergers and consolidations since 1982, , 
>>> for instance, and you dial 411 you will only have access to phone 
>>> numbers for companies and individuals who are registered with Verizon. 
>>> If their primary carrier is another phone company such as AT&T or 
>>> T-Mobile or Consumer Cellular, then you will be out of luck.  Welcome to 
>>> the new and chaotic wild, wild west of totally unregulated and 
>>> fragmented telephone service. What a mess!!!  When you dial 411 on your 
>>> Consumer Cellular cell phone, they will probably only have access to 
>>> phone numbers for companies and individuals registered with Consumer 
>>> Cellular, which is a relatively small number, because most listings are 
>>> still registered with Verizon, which is the largest phone service 
>>> provider and the only one which still has a historical connection to the 
>>> old Ma Bell/American Telephone & Telegraph company.  Don't confuse 
>>> Verizon with today's AT&T, which has no connection to the original 
>>> company of the same name and is actually the successor to MCI, which was 
>>> one of the 7 original RBOC's created in 1982. If all this sounds 
>>> confusing, you're right.  You need a Philadelphia lawyer to figure all 
>>> this out.
>>>
>>>
>>> Gerald
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/8/2021 11:50 PM, Rob Kaiser via Electronics-Talk wrote:
>>>> I don't know what list to send this to, so, I'll try this 1. I'm with
>>>> consumer Cellular. My internet was down a few days agao & I needed to
>>>> look up a phone number. The only way I could get free directory
>>>> assistance was to use free 411. This is what consumer cellular told
>>>> me. If I used their 411 there was going to be a fee. When I called
>>>> free 411, I wasn't even able to give them a name of the business I
>>>> wanted to look up. Now, I've had problems with free 411 before, but
>>>> this was the worst. Is free 411 not working any more? If this is so,
>>>> do we have any platforms where we can get free directory assistance
>>>> if our internet is down? Or, are we doomed to having to either wait
>>>> until our internet comes up or pay a fee to call Directory Assistance?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rob Kaiser Email;
>>>>
>>>> rcubfank at sbcglobal.net
>>>>
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