[Electronics-Talk] Adding an External Indoor Antenna to a Toshiba Fire TV Model

Christopher Chaltain chaltain at outlook.com
Sun May 9 12:36:30 UTC 2021 

Hmm, I give it never occurred to me that this was an issue that should have been taken up by the blindness organizations or that this impacted blind TV viewers more then sighted TV consumers. The lack of radios that can pick up TV signals impacts everyone and not just the blind. Plus the blind can acquire a TV just like the sighted. There's also the case that this content is now available through so many other sources.

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Christopher (AKA CJ)
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-----Original Message-----
From: Electronics-Talk <electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Electronics-Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 9, 2021 5:59 AM
To: Tina Sohl via Electronics-Talk <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Gerald Levy <bwaylimited at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Adding an External Indoor Antenna to a Toshiba Fire TV Model


The blindess advocacy organizations are at least partly to blame for this situation. When the FCC originally proposed digital TV in the early 2000's, they just sat on their collective butts and uttered nary a word of protest that this change would adversely affect blind consumers. Shame on them.  More than a decade after the switch from analog to digital TV, nobody has yet been able to develop a small, Walkman style radio that can receive digital TV broadcasts.  NASA is talking about sending humans to Mars,yet major radio manufacturers like CCrane, Sangean and Sony  can't figure out how to make a functional TV band radio.  Truly unbelievable.


Gerald



On 5/8/2021 10:31 PM, Tina Sohl via Electronics-Talk wrote:
> And the little radios that used to get tv channels no longer work 
> either. I loved mine.
>
> On 5/8/21, Amanda Lee via Electronics-Talk <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Oh I understand!  I really will always regretit that the FCC allowed 
>> this change to move TV out of a more accessible frequency band.  One 
>> can no longer rely upon local tV during a power outage because if 
>> cable or FIOS are offline or you have no power, even with the small 
>> portable TVs available, you end up with the same reception issues.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Electronics-Talk <electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On 
>> Behalf Of Steve Jacobson via Electronics-Talk
>> Sent: Saturday, May 8, 2021 5:50 PM
>> To: Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances 
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Steve Jacobson <steve.jacobson at outlook.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Adding an External Indoor Antenna to 
>> a Toshiba Fire TV Model
>>
>> Amanda,
>>
>> No offense or insult was meant by me.  I live in a house that is of 
>> wood construction in the Twin Cities.  My daughter had an HD TV with 
>> an external in-door antenna, and one of our local channels which was 
>> perhaps fifteen miles away, could only be received when I held the 
>> antenna up by the ceiling of her room on the second floor.  She had 
>> two windows that faced the direction from which the signal came.  If 
>> I put the antenna on the top of the dresser, the signal on that 
>> channel was gone.  I have no idea why the reception in that case was 
>> so tricky, and it dulled my enthusiasm a bit so your experience does 
>> not surprise me.  In my case, we didn't pursue it and perhaps a more 
>> sophisticated antenna would have done better.  I worked with another 
>> guy who put in an amplified antenna in his attic and he also never 
>> was able receive all of our local channels until he adjusted the 
>> level of this antenna amplifier.  He needed some amplification, but 
>> full amplification overloaded the amplifier resulting in less signal.  
>> I don't know if he ever got it working.  <smile>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Steve Jacobson
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Electronics-Talk <electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On 
>> Behalf Of Amanda Lee via Electronics-Talk
>> Sent: Saturday, May 8, 2021 9:19 AM
>> To: 'Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances'
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Amanda Lee <amandainparadise777 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Adding an External Indoor Antenna to 
>> a Toshiba Fire TV Model
>>
>> Oh I totally agree! It's just a higher gain effect so the range is 
>> perhaps there's some advantage.  I merely stated the description from 
>> the manufacturer and not what I expected.  My point being too that 
>> the two network affiliates are local to Washington, DC and not in 
>> Baltimore which is over 40 miles away from my home so I found it a 
>> bit disconcerting with the antenna flat on the window that although I 
>> scanned  three or four different times so far with different 
>> configurations and antenna positions, the result wasn't that 
>> different.
>>
>> Ok, I'll not discuss this topic anymore unless necessary.
>>
>> Thanks for the input, everyone.
>>
>> Amanda
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Electronics-Talk <electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On 
>> Behalf Of Steve Jacobson via Electronics-Talk
>> Sent: Saturday, May 8, 2021 9:51 AM
>> To: Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances 
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Steve Jacobson <steve.jacobson at outlook.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Adding an External Indoor Antenna to 
>> a Toshiba Fire TV Model
>>
>> Amanda,
>>
>> I don't see how an in-door antenna could have claimed a range of 200 
>> miles even during the old analog days.  Receiving the newer HD 
>> channels is more complicated.  Sometimes VHF channels are paired with 
>> UHF channels, for example.  What I have found is that antenna 
>> placement can make quite a difference.  Unfortunately, if you move 
>> your antenna, you may need to have your TV search for channels again.  
>> Also, because of the UHF component, your building may block channels 
>> from certain directions eve though you are geographically close to 
>> them.
>>
>> Each of the old channels can now carry multiple programs, though, so 
>> the number of channels that one can receive is effectively much 
>> higher, but sometimes you just can't receive a channel that you 
>> should be able to receive.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Steve Jacobson
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Electronics-Talk <electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On 
>> Behalf Of Amanda Lee via Electronics-Talk
>> Sent: Friday, May 7, 2021 5:08 PM
>> To: 'Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances'
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Amanda Lee <amandainparadise777 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Adding an External Indoor Antenna to 
>> a Toshiba Fire TV Model
>>
>> I forgot to mention that I  did find between 33 to 35 channels.  Now 
>> of course this is good!  However, sadly, it did not find the CBS or 
>> ABC Network affiliates.  It did find some interesting channels though 
>> which would make the cord cut worthwhile as I like Movies and there's 
>> a World Channel and was surprised to find Court TV and a few others.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Amanda
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Electronics-Talk <electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On 
>> Behalf Of Rob Kaiser via Electronics-Talk
>> Sent: Friday, May 7, 2021 5:20 PM
>> To: 'Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances'
>> <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Rob Kaiser <rcubfank at sbcglobal.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Adding an External Indoor Antenna to 
>> a Toshiba Fire TV Model
>>
>> I don't know anything about the antenna you got, but I tried to cut 
>> the cord a few years ago & tried to go with an antenna, &, I got a 
>> wopping 3 channels. I live in the high desert of Southern California.
>>
>> Rob Kaiser email;
>> rcubfank at sbcglobal.net
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Electronics-Talk [mailto:electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>> On Behalf Of Amanda Lee via Electronics-Talk
>> Sent: Friday, May 7, 2021 1:51 PM
>> To: electronics-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Amanda Lee <amandainparadise777 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [Electronics-Talk] Adding an External Indoor Antenna to a 
>> Toshiba Fire TV Model
>>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>>
>>
>> I just subscribed to this list so if this is an old topic, please 
>> pardon a repeat question or issue!
>>
>>
>>
>> I really would like to cut the CableTV cord and save about $100  
>> worth of cable TV costs per month where there's only a few channels 
>> that interest me and some of which  I can find from other sources.
>>
>>
>>
>> I ordered an amplified antenna.  Unfortunately, the model I ordered 
>> doesn't have a switch that I can readily find on the amplifier to 
>> take it out of the circuit.  So I scanned with the amplifier in-line 
>> and then I manually removed the amplifier and scanned again with no 
>> real difference.
>>
>>
>>
>> I purchased this indoor TV antenna from Amazon for around $20 after a 
>> discount.  It is the
>>
>> TV Antenna - Latest Amplified HD Digital Indoor Antenna Long 200 
>> Miles Range HDTV Antenna - 17ft Coax Cable Indoor Antenna for 4K 
>> Local Channels - Support from  All Television
>>
>> 4.9 out of 5 stars    14 ratings
>>
>>
>>
>> The antenna is a current year model for indoor use and claims to have 
>> a chip to filter out what I'd refer to as intermod from FM and other 
>> RF signals.
>> Since I live in Northern Virginia which is a very hot area in terms 
>> of much in the way of active Radio Frequency transmissions from 
>> everything imaginable, reception is challenging without an external 
>> antenna.  However, I am restricted by Condo Association rules as to 
>> what I can place outdoors and attached to my town home  or yes, I would prefer an outdoor antenna.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have had a couple of other TVs in the past 10 or so years which had 
>> seemingly better reception and these were digital TVs as well so I'm 
>> curious if anyone has observed reception issues with the Toshiba 
>> FireTV models?
>>
>>
>>
>> I am also curious to know what others have experienced with adding an 
>> external indoor antenna to the Toshiba Fire TV and if there's any 
>> recommendations?  If this is too off topic, please email me offline.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>>
>> Amanda
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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