[Electronics-Talk] Amazon & Google Assistant devices

Andy Baracco wq6r at socal.rr.com
Wed Nov 30 23:04:41 UTC 2022 

The Amazon Echo was meant to be a gateway to purchasing products and 
services.  That's why they sell for so cheap.

Andy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Christopher Chaltain via Electronics-Talk" 
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Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Amazon & Google Assistant devices


I agree with all of this, but I'd just tweak one thing. I'd assume Amazon 
pushed out Echo's to sell products and services through the Echo's, and this 
would include their premium music service. This is why you could buy those 
Echo's with the nice room filling sound. I agree this wasn't their primary 
purpose, but Amazon does have a music subscription plan, and I'm sure they 
figured their Echo's would help sell this service.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
Chaltain at Outlook, USA

-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Amazon & Google Assistant devices

I think clarification is needed.

When Amazon made Alexa, they did not do it for audio, they did it to have 
customers sign up for prime and buy stuff straight from the speaker without 
logging in to their phone, tablet, or computer. They were banking on this 
sure-fire sales increase so much so that they sell every Alexa device at 
cost. This is where they made a mistake, now they're reporting billions of 
dollars in losses since sales via the Alexa devices have not gone up to the 
levels they were expecting. No one is sure rather they'll pull the plug or 
try charging a monthly fee but be warned, the writing is on the wall for 
either to happen. They're not going to sit there and bleed money.

What users don't think about in this IoT (Internet of things) world we live 
in is that every cloud connected IOT device has a service that lives on the 
cloud basically a server or servers out there somewhere. The company behind 
these cloud connected IOT devices have to keep the lights on and if they 
don't wrap that fee into the price of the device or with a service fee then 
the lights will go off.

I've been in the Home Automation industry now for several years both DIY & 
Pro. The most recent IOT cloud outage due to poor financial management was 
when the company Smarthome went bankrupt a few months ago and shut all their 
servers off which left thousands of Insteon users without any automation 
control over their devices. Luckly some enthusiasts of the Insteon tech 
jumped in to buy the company's assets and bring the servers online. At this 
point the future for the new company is bleak since lots jumped ship but the 
company is trying to forge a new future under different management. This 
included them apologizing but stasting that they must issue a monthly 
service fee to keep the lights on. Yes some people left after this fee 
started, others moved their insteon devices into Homeassisant or Homeseer, 
and others moved away from Insteon all together.

I didn't bring the alexa story up to be pessimistic or to burn them at the 
stake. I more wanted to shed the light on the subject since if it does 
disappear there will be many people in our community who will be without 
their devices.


Thanks,


David Eugene Waybright
CompTIA A+, NET+, & Security+ Technician Crestron Certified Masters 
Technology Architect; Core, Flex, DMC-D-4K & E-4K, SCT-R & C, DCT-R & C, 
TCT-R & C AVMM Engineer; and Audio & Shades Technician Extron Certified A/V 
Associate

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Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2022 22:32:02 +0000
From: Christopher Chaltain <chaltain at outlook.com>
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        accessible home electronics and appliances
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Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Amazon & Google Assistant devices
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True, but Amazon is already losing money, so doing nothing is only going to 
make things worse. In other words, they really have nothing to lose.

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Christopher (AKA CJ) =>?
Chaltain at Outlook, USA
-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Chao <mattchao at verizon.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2022 4:09 PM
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Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Amazon & Google Assistant devices

Of course, if they try to monetize this market, as they've done with music 
and movies, the whole thing could backfire on them and they could start to 
lose money.  If they do that with their smart speakers, I'm outa 
here.--Matthew Chao On 11/29/2022 4:43 PM, Christopher Chaltain via 
Electronics-Talk wrote:
> I'm not so sure the smart devices landscape won't change quite a bit. I 
> think David is on to something when he talks about paying for this 
> service. I'm not worried they're going away any time soon, but I'd also 
> never say they'd never be shut down. For me, what will happen will happen, 
> and since there's nothing I can do to prepare for it, I'll just wait and 
> see.
>
> I'm also not sure what other smart speakers Amazon wants to compete 
> against. I know Google has their smart speakers out there, but I don't 
> know if they're generating a lot of revenue for Google either. If Amazon 
> is losing money with their smart speakers, and they've been doing this for 
> years, why would they want to compete over a market where there's no 
> profit to be made? Like I said above, I'd be surprised if Amazon doesn't 
> do something to try to monetize this service more.
>
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ) =>?
> Chaltain at Outlook, USA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Electronics-Talk <electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf
> Of Amanda Lee via Electronics-Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2022 10:11 AM
> To: 'Discussion of accessible home electronics and appliances'
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> Cc: Amanda Lee <amandainparadise777 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Electronics-Talk] Amazon & Google Assistant devices
>
> Wow how pessimistic!
>
> Amazon will likely never shutdown these devices.  After  all, they want to 
> continue to compete with the other smart speaker technologies out there.
>
> Amazon also released new devices this year.
>
> It's a very different time in terms of the financial scene right now and I 
> personally would say that in some respects, that the market may be 
> reaching more saturation as well.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Electronics-Talk <electronics-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf
> Of David Waybright via Electronics-Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2022 7:18 AM
> To: electronics-talk at nfbnet.org
> Cc: David Waybright <link at pt-solutions.org>
> Subject: [Electronics-Talk] Amazon & Google Assistant devices
>
> I was wondering if people are concerned about the recent news reporting 
> how both the Amazon & Goggle Assisant devices have been considered a 
> 'Colossal Failure' with reports Amazon is losing 10 billion a year. Should 
> we expect these devices to start shutting down or be put behind a pay 
> wall?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
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